Apart from 1 player it was the same team that won the league the season before and if he was the star man that season what does it say that he's potentially better than all the players that won the league.
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Apart from 1 player it was the same team that won the league the season before and if he was the star man that season what does it say that he's potentially better than all the players that won the league.
Good that he wasn't the star man then.
exactly, the over hype of his performances that season is immense.Nah, he's definitely talented. Mentally just not on the required level at the moment.
I agree he is talented, but the over hype of that season under Moyes is incredible.
He should have gone to Everton on loan last summer. Would have been perfect for him.
It's slightly overhyped indeed but he was a real bright spot in that horrific season, and putting in good performances at that age, better than seasoned veterans.
To go from being in the starting lineup against Villa and then loaned out for no reason. What a bizarre year for him.
That you know of.
That anybody know's of.
The hype that season was justified - atleast the first half of the season. He was able to get past any number of players at will from any position and seemed that he could develop into a special player. But since then opposition defenders have been able to figure him out and he hasn't been able to cope with that. Sad.
I'm talking about people in this thread saying he was our best player that season, total crap.
He was good and has obvious talent.
Yeah, agree with that
Maybe some things are best kept in house, especially when it comes to young players.
I'd say Januzaj and his entourage's lack of moaning about how unfair he has been treated is probably quite telling.
Very good point that - didn't think of it before. They've only come out in self-defense whenever publicly blamed, but never to point fingers. One would imagine that this means that things weren't totally clean and fair on their end.
Hoping he has a good pre-season with us, and does well next season.
There's clearly a problem somewhere with the likes of Januzaj and Perreira, otherwise both would be playing a lot more this year. If they can't hack it during a year when we are overtly experimenting with kids, then they will never make it here.
True. The reality is that, he had a good season and one of the positives of the campaign. But people talk here like we would have been relegated had he not been there. True he was very very good in a good few games but he never carried us that season.
I think he had a sense of ' I have already achieved a lot' after he was selected by Belgium and we gave him #11 jersey.
Seems to me almost guaranteed to stay for another season. Young, talented, big, long contract but gone off the boil. No other team will match his wages (I seriously doubt) and he'll have all summer to think about this whole football career thing. A new manager, a new attitude and he really could be useful to us.
He looked a sure thing to make it too - seeing how many matches Lingard has had in 'his' position is just a reminder of what could have been.
He looked a sure thing to make it too - seeing how many matches Lingard has had in 'his' position is just a reminder of what could have been.
I blame that bird he took to Nando's
LVG has ruined Januzaj. Mourinho will finish the job off in the summer.
Real shame. A massive talent that's gone down the drain.
Real shame. A massive talent that's gone down the drain.
adnan might have/had a bad attitude, but i've never heard anything of the sort to describe perreira.
as for januzaj not playing much, he's been injured for probably half the time he's been here since january. that hasn't helped him at all, but that doesn't change the fact that this season has been a disaster for him despite him having a promising august.
I wasn't suggesting Perreira has an attitude problem. I was suggesting that there is an issue with their development to where LvG has privileged the likes of Rashford and others over them this year.
ah yes, i misunderstood.
Yeah if only he had worked a little harder.
I love the comments. LVG has ruined him. No fault of Januzaj's at all. Joke.
Yep,must be that,what else could it be i wonder.
Because that's what I said.
Januzaj is not blameless but he was a young exciting player who needed nurturing. Putting him on the bench for weeks at a stretch and then playing in random positions is the very last thing a player needs. I blame LVG, yes. He's utterly clueless.
If van Gaal was the problem then Januzaj would've done better at Dortmund.
As I've said many a time, it's up to the player to show it in training. We have no idea what the guy is showing in training .. although, we can get an inkling, given that he didn't cover himself in glory in Dortmund either. For me, he has talent, but I think it's being overstated by some of his bigger fans on here. I think it's becoming pretty clear that he has some form of attitude problem, which hopefully he can get rid of, and go on to use his talents.
Why shouldn't he be on the bench if he's not performing in training? He was given a chance at the start of the season and he wasn't exactly outstanding. Yes, after that he was moved around a bit. At the same time, it's up to him to prove his worth. He hasn't.
Not the manager's fault in my opinion. All on the player. Van Gaal has proven that he will play youngsters, regardless of age etc, if they display that they deserve it. He's made many sticks, our Louis. "Ruining" Januzaj is not one of them.
While Januzaj is not without blame by any means, if LVG had given Adnan half the chances that Lingard and and Memphis have had this season who knows what could have been this season.
Nevertheless, I always said that Kagawa was overhyped and didn't deliver. A similar thing could be said about our #11. It's on Adnan, it's on every player - any time you get a chance on the pitch, you have to prove that you can't be dropped. Martial and Rashford have done that this year since day 1. They took their opportunity and ran with it. Assuming Januzaj gets another chance next year, he'll have to take it right from the off. No more excuses, whatever they are.
Nevertheless, I always said that Kagawa was overhyped and didn't deliver. A similar thing could be said about our #11. It's on Adnan, it's on every player - any time you get a chance on the pitch, you have to prove that you can't be dropped. Martial and Rashford have done that this year since day 1. They took their opportunity and ran with it. Assuming Januzaj gets another chance next year, he'll have to take it right from the off. No more excuses, whatever they are.
We don't know what he does in training so I really don't see the point in commenting on that. I don't know about others but he's fabulously talented from what I've seen and I don't big up every single youth player like some do. He's the kind of player that needed patience and time, neither of which he was afforded. It hasn't helped him of curse that we've been hell bent on buying players left right and center since he broke through. In a way it's a bad luck that he's broken through in a transitional period for the club.
He was one of our better attaching players at the start of the season. Scored a goal at Villa and one of the only players to actually create chances in the game against Newcastle (Would have had an assist if the linesman had done his job right). Was ok in the games against Brugge. Nothing great overall but certainly nothing in those games suggested he should have been sent out on loan. Last season he was played at Left Wing Back at one point after not been seen for weeks. You can't be telling me that does any good to player.
Exactly. You haven't seen what he's done in training, so how can you conclusively state that Louis has ruined him? That's my point. We don't see what he does in training. Thus we can't say Louis has ruined him. However, we can also see he didn't get in the Dortmund side. And we're clearly hearing about issues of attitude. Those are on the player.
That's just stupid. He played one game as you say, that too it was a game where we were chasing a goal so we put him on in place of the wingback. Doesn't mean we played him as one. It's like suggesting managers who put on a CF for a CB play them as defenders. We put him as a Wingback but his main instruction was to attack.
At this stage you need to take your chances however small they seem. Lingard got a sub role vs Everton earlier and performed well thereby demanding more games. Januzaj never did that last year even though he could have done so easily if he tried as even young ousted di Maria from the team.
We wanted to send him on loan so that he gets more games. He looked raw last season and he had lots of areas to develop so he clearly needed him to play week in week out to get more developed. Which we couldn't guarantee here. We ideally wanted him to goto Sunderland or something where he could probably do that but he chose Dortmund and we probably agreed thinking he will go there and fight for his place which will only be good. Except he didn't.
It's annoying that he gets absolutely zero game time.
I never brought up training or attitude because we don't really have a clue what goes on behind the scenes. You did. My complaints with LVG are solely based on how he's been handled with respect to his game time and and nature of it. It's been far from ideal management from LVG imo.
What are you waffling about? And he did play as a WB that game. Absolutely smashing idea to play someone who's not even a proper winger at wing back. It was an awful move from a manager who seems hell bent on doing weird things with team selection for no apparent reason. Wasn't just that though. He's been played all over even in attacking sense. Last season he played on the left wing against Chelsea, was one of our best players and what does LVG do? Put him on the the right wing for the next game. He spends pre-season playing as a CF and then bang goes straight in as the #10 when season starts.Then then there's the scattered nature of his game time last season. You can't just keep leaving him out for weeks at a time and then expect him to impress straight back in. Not every player can do that. Not even experienced players can let alone young creative players like Januzaj who need that time patience.
No idea why you bring up Lingard. I have no problem with him playing. What I have a problem is with Januzaj not playing AT ALL and the one time he did come on he came on at LB. It's not like Januzaj was terrible in the 2 or 3 games he did play at the start. Scored a goal, created chances and got sent out on loan. LVG is clueless.
Give him a good run and see how he does, like he's given Memphis. If he's still shit after all that, fair play.
Yes, I know we know nothing about it. I'm not sure how you can form an opinion that the nature and amount of his game time is a fault of LVG without knowing about what goes on regarding his attitude and his training. Say he's a miserable, sulky, spoiled git. Who does nothing in training. Should he play? Should he automatically be given game time just because he showed fleeting amounts of quality 2 years ago?
Nope, in my opinion we can't form opinions on this without knowing the full story. He didn't break into the Dortmund team, he's not breaking into ours. Is LVG the common denominator, or is Adnan?
LvG would be a poor coach if he rewarded a poor attitude in training with game time. I've never been a fan of LvG but here, I can hardly fathom how much stick he gets for the lack of ambition by a youngster who obviously thinks thanks to his talent, the rules of competition shouldn't apply to him.
Any evidence for this?
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