He was also very good vs Aston Villa and Newcastle, I agree with you.
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Doesn't have mindset for the philosophy. Seen enough after he lost the ball 22 times against Chelsea (for someone who spends that long to make a decision on the ball)
If someone has a terrible match, he doesnt have the mindset for the philosophy, legit.
Really should consider sending him loan
He should play more imo. His good enough, thats for sure.
Could do with a loan to Southamton or a similar club. Not a club that are struggling for 3 points every week.
Really don't understand those suggesting a loan. Who do we turn to if we need a game-changer off the bench in his absence. Young or Wilson? Even with our light fixture list, we suffer an inordinate amount of injuries and for all we know, we might end up losing Falcao, Rooney, Mata or van Persie for a long period of time. He will get games and as fans we should be patient. I'm sure he will get a run soon enough.
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I hope it's true about him getting a start on Monday, he'll never be able to earn starts if he doesn't get more than a few sub appearances.
If I was picking my best team he would be in it. He really should be ahead of Mata in the pecking order for me.
From his general football, the way he plays, the decision he makes. That one match just highlights what happens when he plays against a big team.
You do realize he is 19 years old, ya? I think most people would agree he has done quite well for his age in probably the most competitive league in the world, give him a feckin break. Last season was his first/break through season playing with the big boys, and he proved to be one of our stand-out attacking players. We often relied on his creativity in order to gain something from a match, as the senior players were piss poor.
At the moment based on current form, perhaps yes. Still think Mata will prove to be a brilliant player for us.
What's this all about?
Trizy hates jews.
Is this about Januzaj? He was our best player vs Chelsea which says how bad the others were that day because it certainly wasn't his best match. He didn't lose the ball 22 times that day either so you have a really bad memory of that match.
http://www.football365.com/f365-features/9126477/Premier-League-Numbers-And-Stats
"Adnan Januzaj lost the ball a massive 22 times v Chelsea"
Well the way you criticize my memory says alot about your own memory and the way people defend the players they like in general. Fans are always going to overlook flaws and only remember the good things about their favourite player. You must have a very different philosophy to football (and probably Januzaj too) if you believe that someone who loses the ball 22 times was the "best player."
Same curse as number 7?
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/motm-vs-chelsea-a.382689/
Januzaj had 20 passes in that match. Had 85% pass completion which is 3 misplaced passes. He had 8 crosses which only 1 was accurate. He was dispossessed 3 times, and had 6 bad touches. He shot the ball twice.
This is where you and that site got the number 22 from.
It's totally wrong to assume that those events all ended up in Chelsea's possession. If a cross gets deflected and goes out for a corner, it not only comes off as inaccurate, but also as another lost ball. If a cross is put in a very dangerous position (which did happen in that match), but is headed out it is not only seen as a bad cross, but also as having lost the ball. This is why the cross stat is worthless. Some of those bad touches was also due to being put in an extremely tough situation with a couple of Chelsea defenders right on him, but stats won't capture that detail.
Stats are worthless without having seen the context onto which they happened under. Especially when they don't take into account what their teammates were doing in the match or what they didn't do.
I never said Januzaj had a brilliant match. Why do you think I said this, "He was our best player vs Chelsea which says how bad the others were that day because it certainly wasn't his best match"? He was sloppy a couple of times which is why I made that comment. So please tell me how I overlooked his flaws?
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If you want to see the context, here it is.
Even from an edited video, one can safely assume that at the very least 15 of those 'events' ended up in Chelsea's possession. With his 85% pass rate that would mean he completed 17 passes but of course stats also capture something like the kick off pass. You say that stats don't take into account what his teammates were doing or what they didn't do. But to the rest of the team, they are having a teammate who loses the ball every second time he receives it. And for at least 15 times they are having to expend extra energy to regain the ball back, for at least 15 times you are losing the ball to a Mourinho team, specialists in the art of counterattack. You say that the cross state is worthless but yet the fact that he is attempting to make that many crosses shows the very lack of "creativity" which fans says he has heaps of. Crossing is a last resort, an art which success is based on quantity, not quality. 1.6% of crosses resulted into goals in the league in 2011. You say that his mistakes were due to being in "extremely tough situations" but that is rather a result of his decision making getting him into those situations, spending too long on the ball missing opportunities to pass the ball, and failed attempts at dribbling. You say that he was sloppy "a couple of times" but that is just another example of overlooking his flaws with an understatement like that because he certainly was sloppy more than "a couple of times."
Of course it is just one match, (and the "he's still 19), but put everything together and you can see why LVG doesn't rate him. Unless his footballing brain undergoes a big development in the near future, forget the fact that the system doesn't accommodate him, the philosophy itself has no place for players of his type.
In a long history of moronic posts on this board, it must be hard to get your logic defying lunacy to surface. Nevertheless, with efforts like this one that I quoted, you're well on your way.
Wow. I want to say something, but Im not sure what. ... This is absolute garbage,
Fuethermore, that match in question was when he was 18 motherfuxking years old.
I have seen that video before and I just watched it again. Here are the times you can say he lost the ball:
1:10 he crosses and it hits a chelsea player, it goes up and he has a bad touch which ends up in Chelsea's possession. The stat will say he lost the ball twice, but in reality lost it once.
1:26 he crosses and it goes out for a corner. He didn't lose the ball, but the stat you brought up will say he lost the ball.
1:38 he shoots and a Chelsea player stops it, it ends up in Chelsea's possession. He ends up winning the ball back himself.
2:12 he gets put in a really tough situation and loses the ball.
2:14 he loses the ball.
2:18 he loses the ball.
2:26 his cross finds David Luis.
2: 32 loses the ball.
2:48 he puts a cross in a dangerous situation that finds nobody as only Valencia and Welbeck are there to get on the end of it. He did brilliantly to lose Luiz.
3:55 he puts in a shot and Ivanovic clears it, shouts for handball, but doesn't matter as it looked unintentional.
4:20 does brilliant to lose a defender, but 2nd defender muscles him away from the ball.
4:30 loses the ball
5:05 puts in a great cross that gets headed away.
5:15 fouls so he does give away the ball.
5:39 defender gets a touch on it, but it goes to a United player.
1:26 he crosses and it goes out for a corner. He didn't lose the ball, but the stat you brought up will say he lost the ball.
1:38 he shoots and a Chelsea player stops it, it ends up in Chelsea's possession. He ends up winning the ball back himself.
2:12 he gets put in a really tough situation and loses the ball.
2:14 he loses the ball.
2:18 he loses the ball.
2:26 his cross finds David Luis.
2: 32 loses the ball.
2:48 he puts a cross in a dangerous situation that finds nobody as only Valencia and Welbeck are there to get on the end of it. He did brilliantly to lose Luiz.
3:55 he puts in a shot and Ivanovic clears it, shouts for handball, but doesn't matter as it looked unintentional.
4:20 does brilliant to lose a defender, but 2nd defender muscles him away from the ball.
4:30 loses the ball
5:05 puts in a great cross that gets headed away.
5:15 fouls so he does give away the ball.
5:39 defender gets a touch on it, but it goes to a United player.
So he loses the ball about 10 times, not 22 times. I still maintain that he was United's best player that match, but as I have said before it certainly wasn't a match that he should be proud of. The others were worse and the thread on redcafe cements that fact by him unanimously being voted motm by every poster. It's not bad for an 18 year old in a side as bad as that.
His performance vs Chelsea was one of those performances where the logic "He was made to look better by how shit everyone else was" is spot on. Not the case for a lot of his other motm performances, but true for this one. It's strange to single out an 18 year old though if he was a top 3 player (the best imo) in the match for United.
Januzaj is a player that will naturally lose the ball more times than other players if everyone around him is afraid of taking responsibility. He will try and take players on or make something happen. For example, a dribbler will be dispossessed more times than someone like Valencia who will always turn back and play the safe pass. In that very same match Hazard was dispossessed 7 times and had 1 bad touch which the stats say went to United. We don't know if that's true as I can't remember his performance.
Moreover as I have said, you can't just look at statistics only and conclude which players were the best based on that. They have to be a supplement to what you watched. The cross stat is a great example of that. The key pass or chance created is another stat that can't be taken at face value. That stat only means that a teammate took a shot after a pass given as opposed to it meaning it was a great through ball that put him through in a great position to shoot.
His playing time so far doesn't mean that LVG doesn't rate him either. It could mean that, but I don't think so. I think it means that in this current formation there are better players that are keeping him out. He has to compete with Falcao, RVP, Rooney, and Mata for a spot on the team. Possibly even Di Maria if you wanted him to play in a 3 man midfield. The other United youngsters on the team so far don't have to compete against those players.
What do you think the philosophy is? Maybe if I know that, it will sound less stupid.
Actually laughing at the way people are analysing his performances. Some pretty funny reading.
As the English usually say: Get a life!
That's a good stat. Tell me, how many passes in the final third resulted in goals in 2011?
It's not even a form thing, I prefer what Januzaj brings to the table than what Mata does.
I'm convinced these aren't real people with real lives. Creepy bastards.
What do you mean by that ?
By that logic Di Maria doesn't have the mindset for the philosophy either. One obvious much bigger record example -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/wo...performances-World-Cup-history-Argentina.html
Some overrating of Januzaj going on here. It's understandable because at times, he was the lone bright spot last season. He faded at the end of last season too, and I do believe that Moyes tended to play him in the context of bringing an youth player in the team and him doing well. Januzaj has a great potential, but with the signings we've made, he's not better than the other players. Unfairly, the entire weight on the team fell on his young shoulder, it was a case of give the ball to Januzaj and see what happens and it totally increased the pressure on him.
A trendy boy haircut and potential? Mata brings goals and assists.
He was brilliant I thought when he came on in the friendly vs Valencia (I think?) and I'm surprised he didn't get more games. Ideally, I'd like to see him and ADM in a 4-3-3 with RvP dropped while Rooney is banned but that won't ever happen.
It must be said, I do like his haircut...
People talking about percentages of this and that, it's complete wank.
He is a young player, not getting much of a run at the moment, that's life. But so many are trying to dissect it and look for stuff that means absolutely nothing at the end of the day.
He's being judged incredibly harshly by some people on here. People forget that last season was Januzaj's first season outside of youth football, and he did brilliantly most of the time. Sure his decision making isn't the best yet, but it was a hell of a lot better then most players at the age of 18. The only thing that I could criticize is that he's become more selfish and shooting more often, which would be a plus point if his shooting was any good. He also seemed to change the way he played under Moyes and I'm not sure if he changed it for the better, becoming more of a sprinter with the ball and a winger rather then the having the deftness and composure on the ball that he had at first. Maybe I just remember it wrong though.
Either way, I think he'll learn a lot from this season. He won't be first choice and it was stupid to assume that he'd be a starter at the age of 19. He'd be getting a lot more games if we had european football, but he's still getting sub appearances which he needs to take advantage of. Hopefully he gets a start against West Brom, and performs, because unless he really takes his chance, he'll be behind Falcao and Rooney at least for the striker position, and then Rooney for a #10. The way I see it is he's competing with both Van Persie and Mata for that 1 other position to partner Rooney and Falcao. None of them have really shown much so far this season and with Van Persie aging and having injury problems generally, it could be his to take.
Whatever happens, next season he'll play far more football and might even be a starter. He just needs to be patient, become a bit smarter and more mature as a player and stop trying to rush shots, but otherwise he's got a very big future ahead of him.
Either way, I think he'll learn a lot from this season. He won't be first choice and it was stupid to assume that he'd be a starter at the age of 19. He'd be getting a lot more games if we had european football, but he's still getting sub appearances which he needs to take advantage of. Hopefully he gets a start against West Brom, and performs, because unless he really takes his chance, he'll be behind Falcao and Rooney at least for the striker position, and then Rooney for a #10. The way I see it is he's competing with both Van Persie and Mata for that 1 other position to partner Rooney and Falcao. None of them have really shown much so far this season and with Van Persie aging and having injury problems generally, it could be his to take.
Whatever happens, next season he'll play far more football and might even be a starter. He just needs to be patient, become a bit smarter and more mature as a player and stop trying to rush shots, but otherwise he's got a very big future ahead of him.
Agree with this. But I also wonder how he's doing in training as he doesn't seem to be impressing LVG? I really want him to do well so I hope he gets it together soon.
I'm sure he's doing fine, the reality is that he's competing with Falcao, Rooney, Van Persie and Mata for a spot, and even Mata is failing to get in the team when all are available. Hardly a surprise to see those players ahead of him in the pecking order and it's not like we have a reason to rotate or rest players ever.
Just out of curiosity, what do you think his best position is?
No idea really. At first when he broke through I thought he was a #10 without a doubt, but he hasn't played there too much. For the u21's he's looked good up front, but I don't think that's his best position. He has looked good on the wing obviously, but long term I think he'll have sort of a free role to drift to either side or up top rather then just be a pure winger. Has the potential and right attributes to be a false 9 type player too maybe, just needs to really improve on his finishing for that.
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