You can't win. Johnson's a perv, Rooney's a granny shagger. Hopefully Milfs are a safe middle ground.
Adam Johnson found guilty of one count of sexual activity with a child | Sentenced to six years
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Let's just remember he wasn't sentenced yesterday just for the offence he was found guilty of at the trial - he'd already pleaded guilty to other offences so the punishment included those other offences.
To those making comparisons with other sentences I would explain it like this :
You and I live at opposite ends of the country. On the same day we both commit the same offence. The "tariff" for the offence is 6 years in prison, which can be increased or reduced according to aggravating or mitigating circumstances. There is a mountain of evidence against both of us. You recognise this and at the first opportunity plead guilty. I, on the other hand, hope to get away with it and plead not guilty so a trial has to be held.
You get a reduction in sentence for pleading guilty, thus saving the cost of a trial and possible trauma to witnesses in having to come to court. You get 2 years off and go to prison for 4 years.
I get time added because, despite the mountain of evidence I was guilty, I refused to acknowledge this and acted like a dick all the way through the trial. I showed no remorse at all, even after being found guilty. I get 2 years added and go to prison for 8 years.
Thus we both committed exactly the same offence but you got 4 years and I got 8. That's how it can happen.
You and I live at opposite ends of the country. On the same day we both commit the same offence. The "tariff" for the offence is 6 years in prison, which can be increased or reduced according to aggravating or mitigating circumstances. There is a mountain of evidence against both of us. You recognise this and at the first opportunity plead guilty. I, on the other hand, hope to get away with it and plead not guilty so a trial has to be held.
You get a reduction in sentence for pleading guilty, thus saving the cost of a trial and possible trauma to witnesses in having to come to court. You get 2 years off and go to prison for 4 years.
I get time added because, despite the mountain of evidence I was guilty, I refused to acknowledge this and acted like a dick all the way through the trial. I showed no remorse at all, even after being found guilty. I get 2 years added and go to prison for 8 years.
Thus we both committed exactly the same offence but you got 4 years and I got 8. That's how it can happen.
Well set out.
There is also often a myriad of different issues in a particular case, different context and background facts.
Doesn't sound like you read the details of the reports of the case, Sunderland knew enough to know better & act ethically rather than play him. There's no excuse here, it's repulsive how the club acted
Exactly. That's why simply comparing sentences is a totally meaningless exercise.
Johnson got a sentence entirely appropriate to his crime. If someone else didn't then that is a different issues.
He groomed this young girl and continued when he knew she was under age and even someone as dim as him must have known his celebrity gave him undue power over her and then didn't admit to anything until a very last minute attempt to limit the damage by pleading guilt to the lesser charges. At no point has he given a single shit about the young girl.
He should be glad he didn't get a longer sentence.
He groomed this young girl and continued when he knew she was under age and even someone as dim as him must have known his celebrity gave him undue power over her and then didn't admit to anything until a very last minute attempt to limit the damage by pleading guilt to the lesser charges. At no point has he given a single shit about the young girl.
He should be glad he didn't get a longer sentence.
I rarely disagree with Wibbs.
Adam Johnson is guilty of breaking the law. A couple of years would have been a reasonable sentence.
Is the girl a victim? She was a giddy young girl boasting to friends "He's picking me up and I'm riding him!" That's not the language of a victim or someone who does not understand physical aspects of a relationship. I'm struggling to understand the girl's enthusiasm for the relationship and then being called a victim of sexual abuse.
Adam Johnson is guilty of breaking the law. A couple of years would have been a reasonable sentence.
Is the girl a victim? She was a giddy young girl boasting to friends "He's picking me up and I'm riding him!" That's not the language of a victim or someone who does not understand physical aspects of a relationship. I'm struggling to understand the girl's enthusiasm for the relationship and then being called a victim of sexual abuse.
Woman just being interviewed on BBC Breakfast news about young people exchanging explicit images & their increased awareness of explicitness & 'stuff' at too young of an age. Not directly related to the activities of our hero, but not a million miles away either.
She's from something called ''Digital Awareness UK'' apparently...
Moving on.
Have we actually decided whether AJ should be stoned to death or let out with a nice card saying ''it could have happened to anybody, hard luck mate'' yet?
Caps are back apparently. Defence Brief was being a bit creative, (allegedly)
She's from something called ''Digital Awareness UK'' apparently...
Moving on.
Have we actually decided whether AJ should be stoned to death or let out with a nice card saying ''it could have happened to anybody, hard luck mate'' yet?
Caps are back apparently. Defence Brief was being a bit creative, (allegedly)
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You're missing the point here. The actions of the girl are totally irrelevant in the eyes of the law - Johnson, as the adult, had a total responsibility not to engage with an underage girl. He completely ignored that responsibility and then denied his guilt all the way through. I'd be prepared to bet he still thinks he did nothing wrong, and is the only victim in all this.
Yes, lots of young teenagers think things are OK which actually aren't OK. Lots of teenage girls daydream about being the girlfriend of a footballer they like, or a member of a boy band, or a famous actor. If that person actually responded to you online, you'd be overwhelmed with excitement.
When she told him she was 15, any decent person would have simply sent her a signed shirt and had no further online contact with her. Of course, I don't think for one minute that he was actually interested in giving mementos to young female fans out of the kindness of his heart. It was a sprat to catch a mackerel.
I'm not saying the girl is guilty of any crime or her enthusiasm taken into consideration. I just found the girls statement read after the verdict somewhat over the top. Johnson did not deny all the charges. He pleaded guilty to a couple of charges prior to the case going to court. He contested two more charges and was found guilty on one, and not on the other charge.
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Well deserved sentence for me.
Granted, he's not been decent. Is a 6-year prison sentence actually representative of this crime? That's my only reservation.
Yes. Definitely.
Just thought of something else
If a child is always a child for this, outside of younger = more serious. Why bother with a victim impact statement? It's a contradiction in respect of someone like Jeremy Forrest being more leniently treated when JF has groomed, serially shagged (raped in statutory consent terms because she cannot consent) & carted the girl off to France. Johnson gets a bit of a rough deal in these terms, or Forrest gets a result depending how you look at it. And teacher > dopey role model is worse too, for me, I think, just about.
If a child is always a child for this, outside of younger = more serious. Why bother with a victim impact statement? It's a contradiction in respect of someone like Jeremy Forrest being more leniently treated when JF has groomed, serially shagged (raped in statutory consent terms because she cannot consent) & carted the girl off to France. Johnson gets a bit of a rough deal in these terms, or Forrest gets a result depending how you look at it. And teacher > dopey role model is worse too, for me, I think, just about.
Actually, he only serves 3 in custody. The remainder is "served" out on licence. That is, unless he reoffends of course, in which case he goes straight back to prison to serve out his sentence.
Woman just being interviewed on BBC Breakfast news about young people exchanging explicit images & their increased awareness of explicitness & 'stuff' at too young of an age. Not directly related to the activities of our hero, but not a million miles away either.
She's from something called ''Digital Awareness UK'' apparently...
Moving on.
Have we actually decided whether AJ should be stoned to death or let out with a nice card saying ''it could have happened to anybody, hard luck mate'' yet?
Caps are back apparently. Defence Brief was being a bit creative, (allegedly)
Thanks to this thread, i'm now well aware of my fingers.
Wow, what an appalling lack of understanding of the fact that a 15 year old child needs protection from not only predators such as Johnson but also from themselves. A 15 year old child does not have the life experience required to understand and deal with situations such as this. She was groomed, she was manipulated. She was under age, he absolutely knew it and whether or not she was making immature comments to her friends does not in any way diminish his manipulation and grooming. The girl was absolutely a victim even if she knew exactly what was going in and wanted it. Even if she initiated anything with an adult male there are laws and social constructs which mean that she has to be protected from the likes of Johnson and also herself.
The majority of the world has a consent age below 16, I suppose their line of thinking is appalling? BTW, that includes Europe if you think others states in Africa and Asia are backwards.
PS: I have said he was guilty of breaking the law and deserved to be sentenced. My only reservation is the length of the term.
Christ, now they've jailed kouroux. It's pc gone mad, I tell you.
I suppose that case came with the extra complication that they both remained committed to their relationship through the trial and sentencing.
Probably fair. 6 years in custody would have been harsh me thinks.
Well not that I disagree with you but rednotdead is right. It's entirely Johnson's fault to get caught up in this. The girl, or her parents, used his celebrity status to get some $ out of him which is natural after what happened and probably most of the victims would do that.
If it wasn't Johnson but some random Joe this wouldn't even get to court probably. It might be even her parents pushing her to sue him when things didn't work out and probably when she knew he only wanted to have sex with her, otherwise I can see that going up until she was 16 if it was an affair.
But regardless, of course she would use the situation to get some financial benefit, but her actions are rather irrelevant as Johnson knew pretty well what he's getting into and what the consequences will be so he has to bear them now.
http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/24/woman...d-to-be-a-man-to-lure-girls-into-sex-5772005/
Although I totally believe that AJ's sentence was just, the above story (if real) just goes to show what a joke the judicial system is in this country.
3 years prison time for a woman pretending to be a man and using a rubber cock to have sex with unsuspecting girls aged between 12 and 17!!!
Although I totally believe that AJ's sentence was just, the above story (if real) just goes to show what a joke the judicial system is in this country.
3 years prison time for a woman pretending to be a man and using a rubber cock to have sex with unsuspecting girls aged between 12 and 17!!!
And 18 months of that was because the judge thought she really was a man.
Good posts that those finding it difficult to grasp the reasons Johnson was sentenced as he was would do well to read along with the judges summing up.
I think Johnson probably is, too.
Thats a pretty messed up story but what exactly was the crime she committed against the 17 year olds considering the age of consent is 17? Deception?
Either way the Adam Johnson case is probably pretty just with his sentence however generally people in the public eye end up with longer sentences than those who aren't famous (or so it seems)
Blog: http://ukcriminallawblog.com/jennifer-staines-woman-jailed-for-posing-as-a-man-to-get-sex/
Seems charges are to do with sexual assault for the 17 year olds. They consented to sexual intercourse with someone who they thought was male but as the person turned out to be female the consent is revoked due to the deception.
Is there a difference in punishment regarding age of consent under 16 and under 14 in the UK, as the latter should be more severe punished(and is in most countries)?
I think its either 12 or 13 in UK.
It's already been pointed out in this thread that European countries with a lower age of consent usually still have some way of protecting younger girls from older men.
I see. Not that much of a specialist in that area and just as a personal opinion but since the juridical system put 13 and 15 years old on the same basis and the 17 years olds already in age of consent the two sentences doesn't seem that much apart, although the latter is a bit of a freak show and should be handled tougher morally.
Although the two cases in terms of what actually happened are quite apart.
usually there are two tiers, that's why I asked. 1 is minors and age of consent of 16/14 or below and one is children, usually 12 or below
I think pretty much everyone is aware that mitigating circumstances can reduce a sentence, so can pleading guilty. The fact of the matter is there are numerous comparable cases, some more heinous than Johnsons commited by women that have received far more lenient sentencing. There's insurmountable evidence supporting the claim that men receiving harsher sentencing than women, not just this counting either, backed up by plenty of independent studies.
An interesting read.
- A higher proportion of men are given a sentence of immediate custody than women, irrespective of age of offender (juveniles, young adults or adult) and type of court (magistrates or Crown)
- In 2009 58% of male offenders who entered a guilty plea for an indictable offence were given an immediate custodial sentence compared to only 34% of women
- For every type of offence group a higher proportion of males pleading guilty were sentenced to immediate custody than females
- A greater percentage of males were sentenced to immediate custody than females (29% compared with 17%), which has been the case in each year since 2005
- Women shoplifters are less likely than comparable males to receive a prison sentence
- Among repeat offenders women are less likely to receive a custodial sentence
- Women first-time offenders are significantly less likely than equivalent men to receive a prison sentence for a drug offence
- In 2009, a lower proportion of women who had a pre-sentence report that recommended immediate custody went on to receive this sentence than men (83% compared with 90% for males)
- For all other sentence options recommended in pre-sentence reports (Suspended Sentence Order, all community sentences or fines), a higher proportion of males received custodial sentences than females.
- For offenders where probation officers have recommended custodial sentences, a higher proportion of men are given a sentence
- In 2009, women given an immediate custodial sentence for indictable offences received shorter average sentence lengths than men (11 months compared to 17 months for males)
- The average male prison sentence is over 50% more than the average female prison sentence
- On average, males served a greater proportion of their sentence in custody – 53 per cent compared to 48 per cent for females in the quarter ending December 2011
- Women have 50% more chance than men of being released from prison early on home detention curfew
In accordance to the law he got a fair sentence as he could have got upto 13 years. But in relation to other cases as a measuring stick of actual sentences handed out, he has been made a example of because being in the public eye. As well as the abuse the girl received, this is outlined in the judges notes. That said, Sunderland should bare blame on the abuse the girl suffered.
I think its safe to say, if there was not so much scrutiny on the case he would have received a lesser sentence.
@ivaldo .....One of the reasons women are less likely to be given time in jail is that it is assumed they are the primary carer to their children.
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