Account ban request

How about editing out certain words from the forum like spastic and Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime and replacing them with a blank space, using the same coding or whatever as when you try to write cnut, ******* or ***. Another option is to replace the word(s) with something else or automatically delete the whole post containing the word once a poster hits the reply button, and at the same time show a warning as to why the post was deleted.
Would teach posters to think about their wording and also lighten the mods workload.

Maybe a bit too North Korean?
 
I think a gentle warning or word of caution would be preferable to outright banning the words. It's a bit crass to use those words but they've found their way into popular language these days, like it or not. That said, it can get OTT at times.

My long-term girlfriend's brother has cerebral palsey, so I do understand the offence it can cause.
 
Zen86 said:
I think a gentle warning or word of caution would be preferable to outright banning the words. It's a bit crass to use those words but they've found their way into popular language these days, like it or not. That said, it can get OTT at times.

My long-term girlfriend's brother has cerebral palsey, so I do understand the offence it can cause.
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Like this? https://www.redcafe.net/threads/a-word-about-forum-etiquette.383288/

I admit I occasionally fall foul of using the word retard, however I find the words spastic and Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime quite offensive and wholly inappropriate and (I've stated this before) as I actually have very mild cerebral palsy myself, do not particularly appreciate being called either.
 
That'sHernandez said:
Like this? https://www.redcafe.net/threads/a-word-about-forum-etiquette.383288/

I admit I occasionally fall foul of using the word retard, however I find the words spastic and Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime quite offensive and wholly inappropriate and (I've stated this before) as I actually have very mild cerebral palsy myself, do not particularly appreciate being called either.
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Spastic is an odd one, in that, I never used it til I joined the Caf, and don't use it away from Caf. I think retard is one of those childish words we've all got stuck in our heads. Where do you stand on gimp, genuinely, it was one of the words Invictus brought up. But I'd tend to think of one of them lads in leather onesies when I use it.
 
I hate people using spastic, Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime and retard. It just makes the forum look utterly ignorant to the effect these words being banded about has on those who suffer from certain conditions and those close to them.

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Spastic is an odd one, in that, I never used it til I joined the Caf, and don't use it away from Caf. I think retard is one of those childish words we've all got stuck in our heads. Where do you stand on gimp, genuinely, it was one of the words Invictus brought up. But I'd tend to think of one of them lads in leather onesies when I use it.
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What definition of "gimp" was he using?
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I hate people using spastic, Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime and retard. It just makes the forum look utterly ignorant to the effect these words being banded about has on those who suffer from certain conditions and those close to them.

What definition of "gimp" was he using?
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Gimp as in someone with a physical impairment. I'll be honest, that's never even crossed my mind in regards to the word til he brought it up. Saying that I've referred to myself after matches as gimped, but its true.
 
Big-Red said:
Gimp as in someone with a physical impairment. I'll be honest, that's never even crossed my mind in regards to the word til he brought it up. Saying that I've referred to myself after matches as gimped, but its true.
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Ahh, okay. I've only heard it used in the Pulp Fiction sense but I do move in gloriously PC circles, generally.
 
We should ban "idiot" too, as that has connotations of a person suffering from mental deficiencies.

Seriously? I do not believe anybody, on this forum, has ever used "spastic", "Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime" or "retard" as a means of denigrating and ostracising the disabled. It's just a synonym for idiot, or stupid, in 99/100 contexts.

And "gimp"? As if anybody uses gimp in the sense of disability. The first thing that comes to mind when you say "gimp" is a dude in leather with a ball tied around his mouth.

If we're picking definitions to suit, can I now use the term "faggot"? Because that can be defined as a ball of seasoned chopped liver.

I hate society sometimes.
 
TooBias said:
We should ban "idiot" too, as that has connotations of a person suffering from mental deficiencies.

Seriously? I do not believe anybody, on this forum, has ever used "spastic", "Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime" or "retard" as a means of denigrating and ostracising the disabled. It's just a synonym for idiot, or stupid, in 99/100 contexts.

And "gimp"? As if anybody uses gimp in the sense of disability. The first thing that comes to mind when you say "gimp" is a dude in leather with a ball tied around his mouth.
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Well, no, not really, but whatever turns you on.
 
TooBias said:
We should ban "idiot" too, as that has connotations of a person suffering from mental deficiencies.

Seriously? I do not believe anybody, on this forum, has ever used "spastic", "Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime" or "retard" as a means of denigrating and ostracising the disabled. It's just a synonym for idiot, or stupid, in 99/100 contexts.

And "gimp"? As if anybody uses gimp in the sense of disability. The first thing that comes to mind when you say "gimp" is a dude in leather with a ball tied around his mouth.

If we're picking definitions to suit, can I now use the term "faggot"? Because that can be defined as a ball of seasoned chopped liver.

I hate society sometimes.
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Or, you know, we could just use the word idiot, if it means the same thing. That way you don't offend people suffering from disabilities who quite understandably object to a slang term for their condition being used as an insult.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Or, you know, we could just use the word idiot, if it means the same thing. That way you don't offend people suffering from disabilities who quite understandably object to a slang term for their condition being used as an insult.
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Idiot is a slang term for a disability. Look it up. There are probably hundreds of terms in the English vernacular that were/are slang terms for disability.

It's pathetic, at the end of the day. Most people here have probably some affiliation with someone who is disabled, myself included, but I wouldn't throw some hissy fit if somebody called me a spastic, Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime or retard. If somebody said it to a disabled person then yeah, I wouldn't like it. But to me? Nope, don't care. And no-one else who does not personally suffer from a disability should. They are common, everyday words, so ingratiated into our language that they barely even register as an insult to any fit and healthy person.
 
TooBias said:
Idiot is a slang term for a disability. Look it up. There are probably hundreds of terms in the English vernacular that were/are slang terms for disability.
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That would be besides the point. The point is, no one associates the term idiot with disability. Some do associate the terms spastic, Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime and retard with it. So stick to the words that no one associates with disability, or you look callous.
 
Amethyst said:
I don't really like seeing people using 'Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime' and 'retard' as insults if we're being honest. I'm all for free speech and those phrases don't offend me personally, but having seen the way some disabled people are treated through my work I'd prefer it if they weren't used.

Comments such as 'we can all find reasons to be offended' aren't helpful either in my opinion, as though Invictus is looking for reasons to complain.
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When people say 'gay' they don't really mean gay and when they say 'retard', they don't really mean that the person they are referring to is handicapped. It's the intent that's important, as Zarlak said, otherwise you can attach your own personal meaning to any statement and take offence to it, which was what I meant earlier.

Personally I think the OP is attention seeking, otherwise he'd just never visit the forum again. I can't believe anyone is actually bothered by what people on the internet write, or what anyone else thinks for that matter.
 
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TooBias said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disability-related_terms_with_negative_connotations

Let's ban all these words. Just to be on the safe side.
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You're missing the point. Language changes all the time. In a small group such as this forum, words can take on different meanings than they would walking down the street. It's up to the members of the the group to decide what they find acceptable. It is clear from the posts in this thread that most people don't find such words acceptable. You either take that on board and change your behavior or you risk consequences ranging from other members finding you rude to warnings from staff and so on. Linking to the origin of words from decades or centuries ago won't change that.
 
Eboue said:
You're missing the point. Language changes all the time. In a small group such as this forum, words can take on different meanings than they would walking down the street. It's up to the members of the the group to decide what they find acceptable. It is clear from the posts in this thread that most people don't find such words acceptable. You either take that on board and change your behavior or you risk consequences ranging from other members finding you rude to warnings from staff and so on. Linking to the origin of words from decades or centuries ago won't change that.
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Fair enough, I just think the hysteria over a few little words is insane. Especially when those words are pretty much synonymous with other words that have somehow passed the "what people don't mind" test.

Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, spastic, retard, idiot, insane, lunatic, kook, whatever, on this forum pretty much mean the exact same thing.
 
I believe that freedom of speech includes the freedom to offend, eboue, or do you disagree?
 
Silent_Running said:
When people say 'gay' they don't really mean gay and when they say 'retard', they don't really mean that the person they are referring to is handicapped. It's the intent that's important, as Zarlak said, otherwise you can attach your own personal meaning to any statement and take offence to it, which was what I meant earlier.

Personally I think the OP is attention seeking, otherwise he'd just never visit the forum again. I can't believe anyone is actually bothered by what people on the internet write, or what anyone else thinks for that matter.

Did John Hammond give a feck what people said to him when he wanted to make a theme park with dinosaurs in it? No, he just went and built it, and to spite the people who use horrible words against the handicapped, he used helicopters so that the park would have disabled access.
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What you said about attaching personal meaning is true, I get that absolutely. I would think if you asked people whether they would take exception to the words 'retard', 'spastic' or 'faggot' being used as an insult, most would. Maybe I'm wrong.

Someone people don't care about what people say on the internet (I would say that's normally true of me), some people are bothered by it. There's a number of cases of people committing suicide over what people have said about them online, whether me or you care about what people write or not.
 
Tbh, feck the caf, if seeing the words retard and gimp actually offends you, the internet itself isnt a place for you. Its obvious that when these words are used, its to call someone an idiot, not to mock the disabled. Fair hes explained why it effects him, but if he does, anything moderately social on the internet, isnt for him.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Tbh, feck the caf, if seeing the words retard and gimp actually offends you, the internet itself isnt a place for you. Its obvious that when these words are used, its to call someone an idiot, not to mock the disabled. Fair hes explained why it effects him, but if he does, anything moderately social on the internet, isnt for him.
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You might not mean them as an insult but the do insult the people who have a condition that the terms originally described (belittled/insulted etc). The fact that you are insulting someone by calling them a name that is used to describe a medical condition is directly saying that people with that condition are contemptible. If that wasn't what was being said why would it be used as an insult?

Telling someone to get over themselves is also a feeble attempt to justify use of such terms. Think of it applied to other words that are now more or less universally unacceptable but weren't not that long ago. Telling a black person to get over themselves when objecting to the term nigger for example.
 
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Wibble said:
That is actually a feeble justification of using terms that aren't really justifiable. Think of it applied to other words that are now more or less universally unacceptable but weren't not that long ago. Telling a black person to get over themselves when objecting to the term nigger for example.
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At the risk of dragging on this episode or offending someone in the process of making this post, which I apologize in advance for as I understand this is a pretty sensitive issue for some, someone here said that a word or a term isn't offensive, the context and the intention behind it. The term you just said is still used among many groups which include people of african descent and it is accepted without any problem because they are well aware that it is being used as a synonym for "friend" or "bro". Same for most of terms that may or may not relate to a serious issue. In fact, accusing someone of making fun of disabled people because he used the term Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, is a pretty serious accusation in itself and should not be done without fully being aware of the intention behind the usage of that word. That in itself is offensive and should be. Honestly, do you think every person here who has called someone a gimp or a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime did it with the intention of mocking the disabled, or did he do it to use it as a synonym for "idiot"? How many are here who might not be aware that those terms could relate to something as serious as that? I can tell you I did not know it, before today. I am sure I have called some people a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, here before. Would it be fair to me, to pull out all those posts and accuse me of mocking disabled people, when I didn't even know it was related to that let alone thinking of using it in that context? I don't think it would be, and if someone accuses me of that while fully knowing my intention behind saying it, I would judge that person and and possibly take offense of getting accused of something so serious and despicable through no intention of my own.

I am all in for banning these words if they can be taken in the wrong context at times, but I don't really agree with accusing someone based on using these terms where in most cases people just use it as they heard it from people around them, at whatever age and used it in the same context. Just like me, I heard the words Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, spastic, gimp, etc on the caf and nowhere else. And everytime I took it that they are being used as synonyms for the word idiot and I used it in the same context later. I feel the same way about other situations where people are accused of disgusting acts such as racism, sexism, etc when all they did was use a term in a totally different context and I usually think low of the person accusing them of that even after fully knowing the intention.
 
Wibble said:
You might not mean them as an insult but the do insult the people who have a condition that the terms originally described (belittled/insulted etc). The fact that you are insulting someone by calling them a name that is used to describe a medical condition is directly saying that people with that condition are contemptible. If that wasn't what was being said why would it be used as an insult?

Telling someone to get over themselves is also a feeble attempt to justify use of such terms. Think of it applied to other words that are now more or less universally unacceptable but weren't not that long ago. Telling a black person to get over themselves when objecting to the term nigger for example.
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I would most probably tell a black person to get over them self if someones used the word nigger, depending on the context. Its the internet, not parliament. Not saying using nigger or retard is acceptable or not, but its apart of the internet, and if youre offended at the sight of the word, youre gonna have a bad time.
 
We obvioulsy aren't talking about two black blokes calling each other "my nigga". I was obviously talking about a white person calling a black person a nigger either in anger or out of contempt (is there another way?). It isn't acceptable but it is the person who finds it unacceptable who needs to get over themselves? That seems very odd reasoning.

If nothing is worth making a fuss about nothing changes.
 
Wibble said:
We obvioulsy aren't talking about two black blokes calling each other "my nigga". I was obviously talking about a white person calling a black person a nigger either in anger or out of contempt (is there another way?). It isn't acceptable but it is the person who finds it unacceptable who needs to get over themselves? That seems very odd reasoning.

If nothing is worth making a fuss about nothing changes.
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Well thats different because the context is very, very different. A white person calling a black person nigger out of anger and hatred is racism, as the word used in that context is used out of racism. If i call a newb a gimp or retard for making a silly post, the words used in this context are used to show theyre an idiot. Not disabled. Pretty fair difference.
 
I understand words such as Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime cause offense, but so do all insults. I think the problem lies in that certain words have been commandeered from meaning one thing, i.e a disabled person whether that disability be physical, mental or both, to a blanket term for someone of low intelligence. As long as there is no intention to hurt someone disabled attached, these things are just general insults designed to mock intelligence. Obviously over the internet, a fairly faceless medium, this becomes a lot trickier and the risk of accidentally offending someone greatly increases, but as i say it's all down to intent.
 
"It's on the internet, what do you expect" is a poor defense on a moderated forum like the Caf. Also telling someone not to be offended is fairly arrogant, especially in the case of the OP who has a family member who is disabled.
 
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