Aaron Wan-Bissaka | Signs a 7-year contract with West Ham

MaMa given red said:
He looks like a different player!
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He must be doing well for them because all the chatter I see on socials is them being incredulous they got him for £15M. Their biggest fan page is calling him the best Right Back in the league. I’ve also seen quotes from him today saying he’s enjoying himself, so the guy must be playing really well.
 
There’s been a lot of poor signings/players that we’ve made since Sir Alex left - but most of them are not poor players, but just part of a poor overall team, or couldn’t handle the pressures at United. AWB feels like the latter - I recall him being very good in his first season - before everyone jumping on him for being poor with the ball. After that he seemed to completely lose his defensive skills and awareness too.

He’s not a top level player, but definitely not as bad as he shown in his last 1-2 years at the club.
 
Golden Nugget said:
There’s been a lot of poor signings/players that we’ve made since Sir Alex left - but most of them are not poor players, but just part of a poor overall team, or couldn’t handle the pressures at United. AWB feels like the latter - I recall him being very good in his first season - before everyone jumping on him for being poor with the ball. After that he seemed to completely lose his defensive skills and awareness too.

He’s not a top level player, but definitely not as bad as he shown in his last 1-2 years at the club.
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There are some players who are good for the level they are playing at, AWB is a top RB at West Ham level, nothing more.

He will have good games, he will have great clips but he will not be consistent throughout the game.

His mistakes will not be magnified like at United, where it is all blame blame blame.
 
He might not be someone that will make lots of obvious mistakes, but his ability on the ball is massively problematic in the modern game. We did well to get 15m
 
It’s not a problem for players we sell to do well. He’s gone to a team with far less pressure, and he always looked like a player who was in his shell ar United.

He was a good player, but did not show significant signs of improvement, and he offers hardly anything going forward. A team like United need far more attacking threat from a full back/ wing back.

He has some very good qualities - and nice to see him having an impact at WHU.

100% the right decision for everyone for him to move on.
 
AWB is player of the season so far for West Ham
Scott is doing great in Napoli.
Elanga is not doing badly as well.

It’s too easy to criticise our players and get rid of them cheaply,
You can’t be a bad PL player as it takes a lot of dedication, commitments and hard-work to get there. 95% of young footballers do not make it to the premiership.
And we replace players with even inferior players
The problem is the lack of leadership at the helm of the club.
Hopefully the new structure will resolve this.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
It’s not a problem for players we sell to do well. He’s gone to a team with far less pressure, and he always looked like a player who was in his shell ar United.

He was a good player, but did not show significant signs of improvement, and he offers hardly anything going forward. A team like United need far more attacking threat from a full back/ wing back.

He has some very good qualities - and nice to see him having an impact at WHU.

100% the right decision for everyone for him to move on.
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I stop following Utd players when they leave for another club personally, it's not worth torturing ourselves over what they may show elsewhere when it's an entirely different environment with different pressure levels.
 
TsuWave said:
He must be doing well for them because all the chatter I see on socials is them being incredulous they got him for £15M. Their biggest fan page is calling him the best Right Back in the league. I’ve also seen quotes from him today saying he’s enjoying himself, so the guy must be playing really well.
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It's only been a few months. He's still got 6 and a half years there, let them enjoy it while they can.
 
rooney2009 said:
AWB is player of the season so far for West Ham
Scott is doing great in Napoli.
Elanga is not doing badly as well.

It’s too easy to criticise our players and get rid of them cheaply,
You can’t be a bad PL player as it takes a lot of dedication, commitments and hard-work to get there. 95% of young footballers do not make it to the premiership.
And we replace players with even inferior players
The problem is the lack of leadership at the helm of the club.
Hopefully the new structure will resolve this.
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In all his time here I felt defensive of AWB, and that he was unfairly maligned. He showed progression with the ball in his penultimate season which was encouraging. But ultimately playing at Utd wasn't working out for him and he's in a better situation for himself now.

We can second guess the sale now or we can acknowledge he's in a different situation that may be better suited to him. There's so many factors why it might not have fully worked for him at Utd, but it didn't. Fair play to him on rebuilding his career and doing what was right for himself, ultimately. But I don't see why we should be questioning selling him off the back of this.
 
rooney2009 said:
AWB is player of the season so far for West Ham
Scott is doing great in Napoli.
Elanga is not doing badly as well.

It’s too easy to criticise our players and get rid of them cheaply,
You can’t be a bad PL player as it takes a lot of dedication, commitments and hard-work to get there. 95% of young footballers do not make it to the premiership.
And we replace players with even inferior players
The problem is the lack of leadership at the helm of the club.
Hopefully the new structure will resolve this.
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Far, far fewer than that make it to the PL (or any top division)
 
Antony will look a different player too, just as Sancho before him. United is a pressure pot in English football like no other and quite frankly a horrible place to ply your trade.
Great when it’s great but feck me we’ll rip anyone apart when things aren’t great.
 
I don't see anything special in those clips that we didn't see here. Maybe his crossing is better in that isolated game
 
Happy for the lad.

I don’t miss him.

Should have charged more.

Maybe teams will now value our cast offs higher.
 
Hes at the right level. At least at West Ham he wont have fans holding grudges against him for going missing at the far post constantly when defending.
 
rooney2009 said:
AWB is player of the season so far for West Ham
Scott is doing great in Napoli.
Elanga is not doing badly as well.

It’s too easy to criticise our players and get rid of them cheaply,
You can’t be a bad PL player as it takes a lot of dedication, commitments and hard-work to get there. 95% of young footballers do not make it to the premiership.
And we replace players with even inferior players
The problem is the lack of leadership at the helm of the club.
Hopefully the new structure will resolve this.
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I think a lot of people forget or don’t realise how difficult it is to play for Utd. The pressure is 10x greater at all times. The spotlight is constantly on every single player.

Teams like Brighton/Brentford/Bournemouth are currently better than us but there is way less pressure playing for them. Despite those teams being above us in the table, they are still able to potentially lose 2 - 3 games in a row and have hardly anyone care or notice. If you saw West Ham lost 3 - 0 for example you’d barely bat an eye. If that happens to us with AWB in our team it’s an absolute nightmare and everything he did is analysed to the Nth degree.
 
Listen, we're all justifiably frustrated by where we are, but these takes are crazy. AWB was an absolute liability for a team that wants to play with the ball. Whenever he played, teams would leave him open, then focus the press on him because it was the best chance at a recovery in our third. Or let him do what he wanted up the pitch because he's not going to hurt them. Further, he constantly conceded back post chances despite doing so for the best part of half a decade.

He's now doing 'well' at West Ham, who have the 5th worst defensive record in the league, and have had their managed sacked for having such a great season.

He seems a lovely chap, I'm really happy for him that he's enjoying his football but he and United are better off being nowhere near each other.
 
rooney2009 said:
AWB is player of the season so far for West Ham
Scott is doing great in Napoli.
Elanga is not doing badly as well.
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AWB has found his level, it's not where we want to be. Also, as per my previous post, they have one of the worst defenses in the league.
McT is doing great but so is Lukaku. Serie A is not what it used to be, it is demonstrably weaker than the premier league. Lots of our players would look better there.
Elanga would absolutely be a better option than some of ours on that side, but chose to leave to be a starter in a formation that really suits him. Possibly should have had a buy back in there if we didn't already. But nothing he showed at United looked good enough.

For me, our squad is broken not because of who we've let go but because of who we've brought in. Antony, Casemiro, Eriksen, Hojlund etc.
 
Beachryan said:
Listen, we're all justifiably frustrated by where we are, but these takes are crazy. AWB was an absolute liability for a team that wants to play with the ball. Whenever he played, teams would leave him open, then focus the press on him because it was the best chance at a recovery in our third. Or let him do what he wanted up the pitch because he's not going to hurt them. Further, he constantly conceded back post chances despite doing so for the best part of half a decade.

He's now doing 'well' at West Ham, who have the 5th worst defensive record in the league, and have had their managed sacked for having such a great season.

He seems a lovely chap, I'm really happy for him that he's enjoying his football but he and United are better off being nowhere near each other.
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He's useless going forward so it's not like he would be incredible under Amorim as a RWB.
He was suspect in there air and often leaves the back post wide open.

He's one of the best slide tacklers I've ever seen.
If he had more to his game we would be talking about a world class talent.
 
There are posters here who said AWB will play above walker in that peak city side. So, let's take those redcafe takes with a pinch of salt. I'm happy for him, found his level. Not his problem that we decided to overpay for an average talent.
 
As hard as it may be, people should be able to, or at least try, to discuss his current performances outside of his time at United.

Not to say it's the case in every instance, but some of these "found his level" posts come off quite bitter - and as far as I'm aware - there really isn't a reason to be. And there's like only 2 points separating United and West Ham currently.

Sometimes you sign a player, and for whatever reason, doesn't work out - and they rebuild/find new wind elsewhere. It's football.

I hope he does well - except when against us, of course - but it's good to see players doing well after not having perhaps the best of times
 
TsuWave said:
As hard as it may be, people should be able to, or at least try, to discuss his current performances outside of his time at United.

Not to say it's the case in every instance, but some of these "found his level" posts come off quite bitter - and as far as I'm aware - there really isn't a reason to be. And there's like only 2 points separating United and West Ham currently.

Sometimes you sign a player, and for whatever reason, doesn't work out - and they rebuild/find new wind elsewhere. It's football.

I hope he does well - except when against us, of course - but it's good to see players doing well after not having perhaps the best of times
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I agree. dont get why people get bitter against former players
 
TsuWave said:
Not to say it's the case in every instance, but some of these "found his level" posts come off quite bitter - and as far as I'm aware - there really isn't a reason to be. And there's like only 2 points separating United and West Ham currently.
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Well, he could play for us currently* but he's not good enough for what we aspire to, so it's not "his level" (or "our level", expectation-wise). And mid-to-bottom Premier League team is his level — a level where he can be a key player that's adored by their fans. What's bitter about it? It's still a great level all things considered.

* he actually couldn't as he'd be an even worse wing back than either one of our poor options and he'd be a disaster as a right center back. But hypothetically if we went back to a back 4 and Mazraoui got injured he could.
 
Eleven-Eighteen said:
This has to be one of the poorer takes i've read on here. Maz has been immense for us. AWB almost never had that kind of impact

Edit: just noticed the timestamp. Maz's best days have come in the last couple months. I take it back
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I wouldnt, it was pretty clear from the jump we were getting an upgrade.
 
Anywho, he's going to look good where most of the time he's defending. He's an excellent defender and the best wingers in the world will struggle to get past him.

Put him in a possession based team, give him the ball and ask him to create something and he'll be caught with his pants down. It just depends on what you want/need out of your fullback.
 
Just shows you that we really do sell players for peanuts. 15m and 25m gets you sod all in the day and age, yet West Ham, Napoli and forest are over the moon with AWB, Scott and elanga
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Anywho, he's going to look good where most of the time he's defending. He's an excellent defender and the best wingers in the world will struggle to get past him.

Put him in a possession based team, give him the ball and ask him to create something and he'll be caught with his pants down. It just depends on what you want/need out of your fullback.
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Last ditch sliding tackles are his forte, no doubt that he is one of the best at that, but that is just papering over the cracks, excellent defenders don't get caught like that so often, AWB's awareness and positioning is very poor overall
 
AWB had some outrageously good performances in a Manchester United shirt. I have no issues at all being happy for him.
 
A reminder that he came in and replaced Ashley Young as our rightback, the same summer that Maguire came in to improve on the Smalling and Lindelof CB partnership...

In 18/19 with Lindelof and Smalling at CB with Jones as cover and Bailly mostly injured and Ashley Young as our rightback we had the 11th best defensive record in the league

In 19/20 we had the 3rd best defensive record conceding 1 more goal than City in 2nd... We went from 54 to 36 in 38 games

The following season we came 3rd in the premier league

The season after that we came 2nd in the premier league

2 seasons later we came 3rd in the premier league again

You may never have liked him, but those are the facts. We were much better after he signed and was playing weekly and we were miles better than we are now. The only player who is playing well enough this season that he'd have fit into those 2nd and 3rd place finishing Utd teams is Amad. Not our defenders.
 
harms said:
Well, he could play for us currently* but he's not good enough for what we aspire to, so it's not "his level" (or "our level", expectation-wise). And mid-to-bottom Premier League team is his level — a level where he can be a key player that's adored by their fans. What's bitter about it? It's still a great level all things considered.

* he actually couldn't as he'd be an even worse wing back than either one of our poor options and he'd be a disaster as a right center back. But hypothetically if we went back to a back 4 and Mazraoui got injured he could.
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If some of those posts don't come off as bitter for you, then cool - they did for me - I think one even said he "phoned it in". I'm not arguing/making a case for AWB at United, in fact - the very same post you quoted said we should be able to/try to discuss his current performances outside of his time at United. Me referencing the small gap between United and West Ham currently was simply to contextualise these "found his level" posts with our current reality. Yes, we aspire for more, but I'm pretty sure so does West Ham/their fans, and they're seemingly happy.

Sometimes a player just does well elsewhere, and it isn't necessarily corroboration for these supposed "level" notions people might have. I mean, Salah and De Bruyne are premier league greats now - and no, I'm not suggesting the same will happen with AWB.

As an adjacent note - I've felt that the analysis for players that don't make it at United is usually boiled down to stuff like "poor" (at best "average"), and stuff like "phoned it in" when assessing the player - I think I've been guilty of it too - but United hasn't been an environment conducive of/for players to flourish for a while.
 
We did the right thing in selling him.

He wouldn't be good enough to play RWB in a 343. He might be OK as the RCB but Maz and Yoro are better.
 
thegregster said:
We did the right thing in selling him.

He wouldn't be good enough to play RWB in a 343. He might be OK as the RCB but Maz and Yoro are better.
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Was absolutely correct to sell him. Still think be might have made a better RWB than Mazraoui. But it seems like his RWB days are over anyway
 
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