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I don’t disagree that Martínez is a very good player but I disagree that you think that most players have time to think other than they need to put the ball into good space or good areas and trust their colleagues will make those runs
I mean that's just called teamwork and understanding and being aware of what's around you. Then you also need to have the technical ability to make the pass properly.
Do you honestly think that AWB has shown enough to say he can ever be anywhere near the level of Martinez technically with his passing and control of the ball? Because that's what's required.
No, does 75% of the team have Martínez passing level? No off course not. There always has to be someone who is best at one thing and someone who’s bottom of that. That’s the way of the world and why we have a squad, all players bring different skill sets.I mean that's just called teamwork and understanding and being aware of what's around you. Then you also need to have the technical ability to make the pass properly.
Do you honestly think that AWB has shown enough to say he can ever be anywhere near the level of Martinez technically with his passing and control of the ball? Because that's what's required.
Who the feck is a fullback that passes like Martinez?
Ball playing fullbacks is nothing I’ve heard about before.
The fact is even if his passing is shit to you - he is a great option to have as our defensive fullback. A defensive fullback isn’t going to be a Martinez like passer either.
Dalot can’t pass, can’t defend and barely can attack. He is the one that needs improvement upon.
Wan Bissaka has stopped Neymar, Mbappe, Saint Maxmin, Zaha - the list goes forever.
Look at his reverse pass to Mctominay - what is wrong with his passing in this video?
No, does 75% of the team have Martínez passing level? No off course not. There always has to be someone who is best at one thing and someone who’s bottom of that. That’s the way of the world and why we have a squad, all players bring different skill sets.
I keep saying AWB homegrown status important to the squad, we can sign Frimpong as well and keep Dalot, sign him on a new contract too and we have 5 full backs with one clearly the elite option and able to play as left CB, that would give us 5 options with Dalot able to play left or right back and left or right wing back, Frimpong has homegrown status as well so sign them all up, no one needs to leave, one will always be injured or banned, one on the pitch and one on the bench.He's ahead of Dalot in the pecking order for me. Good performance today.
Wait, people now think he's a GOOD passer of the ball?
Genuinely feels like twilight zone stuff to me. Is he able to get the ball to a teammate, especially one within 10 yards when he's out wide (almost always the RWF or Bruno)? Yes. Is he a good passer - as in - puts the ball in the right place with the right pace on it as to be in stride? Absolutely not. Does he see passes others do not? Absolutely not.
If he's your standard for good passing, no wonder there are so many threads about how dire we are at controlling football matches.
Wow. You have higher expectations than many coaches. You must be frustrated watching many matches.There's plenty of them. Utd have one of them on the left most weeks.
Squad player have different roles, and skill sets but you have to have a set minimum standard of technical ability on the ball.
Part of the reason why Utd were able to win leagues under SAF playing players like Cleverly regularly in midifeld, was because he always had a squad full of players who had sound technical abiltiy and were able to come in and play different positions and could transition the ball quickly using 1/2 touches.
I regularly watch old matches on Mutv and I can tell you now, watching Cleverly, O'Shea and even Gibson drop into midfield and play 1/2 touch football with swift precise passing makes you wonder how anybody who experienced that could try and maintain that AWB is good on the ball.
The vast majority of teams don't have their whole squad on the same technical level as Martinez. He is insane. Expecting every player to be at that standard is a bit much. More players of that standard would be amazing, though.I mean that's just called teamwork and understanding and being aware of what's around you. Then you also need to have the technical ability to make the pass properly.
Do you honestly think that AWB has shown enough to say he can ever be anywhere near the level of Martinez technically with his passing and control of the ball? Because that's what's required.
It's these finer points that just seems lost on a lot of people.
There's plenty of them. Utd have one of them on the left most weeks.
Squad player have different roles, and skill sets but you have to have a set minimum standard of technical ability on the ball.
Part of the reason why Utd were able to win leagues under SAF playing players like Cleverly regularly in midifeld, was because he always had a squad full of players who had sound technical abiltiy and were able to come in and play different positions and could transition the ball quickly using 1/2 touches.
I regularly watch old matches on Mutv and I can tell you now, watching Cleverly, O'Shea and even Gibson drop into midfield and play 1/2 touch football with swift precise passing makes you wonder how anybody who experienced that could try and maintain that AWB is good on the ball.
He's massively improved but I still have doubts that he offers what Ten Hag wants from his RB. I think Ten Hag wants his full-backs to be excellent technicians who can tuck in and become part of the midfield at times, that's how Pep likes his full-backs too.
Wow. You have higher expectations than many coaches. You must be frustrated watching many matches.
just remember it takes all sorts to create a winning squad. Not everyone will be at the same level. You can’t expect the type of players that you have in your mind to be sitting on the bench.
btw thinking back to those squads not many could pass like scholes. But we needed the Wes Browns, the Neville’s, OShea etc. those are the lifeblood of squads
anyway I’m done as you aren’t going to change your mind
That’s because Shaw is an attacking fullback.
You just only rate attacking fullbacks so you think defensive fullbacks are shit.
AWB is our defensive fullback and we need an attacking fullback to take over Dalot.
Shaw & Frimpong
Malacia & AWB
Attacking & Defensive.
Shut out Newcastle’s LW just a month ago and people still talk like he does shit all when we even win trophies with him.
Wes brown was a great defender but in no way was he as good on the ball as AWB is. AWB can dribble. Brown did not.Those guys were technically very good players.
SAF always made sure his backup options were technically very good players. Go back and look at how composed and technically competent even the worst players in those Utd squads were and AWB is not even close to them, that's the point.
Obviously ETH sees it that way too, which is why he has preferred Dalot. It's also why Utd are being linked to fullbacks who can offer more on the ball.
How do you work that out? I don't think either of Utds current right backs are good enough, never have and never will.
Dalot is better on the ball, but I also think he's mostly shite. Because he can't defend. Newcastle targetted him on the back post with overloads last week, they got a goal from it.
AWB Is a decent 1v1 defender, everything else in terms of defendingn he is woefully sub par. See the goals conceded against Arsenal and City as prime examples of his poor awareness and positional sense.
Both offer little or nothing in attack.
You don't need a specific mix of an attacking fullback and a defensive one for either side.
What you need are technically competent players who can come in and replace each other seamlessy in any given game.
Wes brown was a great defender but in no way was he as good on the ball as AWB is. AWB can dribble. Brown did not.
Ha, genuinely insane stuff.And I was told that he wouldn’t get another PL if he left United because he’s only championship level
So he can dribble (sort of, when he doesn't get jos legs in a tangle) That doesn't mean he's better on the ball.
Wes Brown was just a far better player. Used the ball better, defended better and attacked better.
Your man aboveHa, genuinely insane stuff.
Weird thing is, it was even between them for a while, then everyone thought Trent was Cafu and AWB was a Championship player, now it's gone complete circle again and they've both fairly even.Remember when people thought Trent-Alexander was ten times better than him
That's the one area I have absolutely no doubts about him. There is probably nobody better in a simple 1 v 1. Even the most tricky, fast wingers struggle. It's a good quality for a fullback, for sure.
Covering the back post, tracking off ball runs, technical ability, there are still lots of questions. That's why he didn't play for half the season, I think. EtH must have been working on him in lots of areas.
He's taken his opportunity well, better than I could have imagined in truth. Let's see where this goes until the end of the season. Pretty good battle for that position.
I think it says a lot when we concede 2 late goals and all these other players receive lots of comments in their threads, whereas AWB's thread is quiet. Thought he played fairly well. He's nailed his position down.
