Or you know like United when we were winning titles. Evra and Irwing were great going forward, Neville had an amazing cross on him and always found a way at being in the right position to cross. Even Rafael in our two last title campaigns was a constant threat going forward.
AWB is nowhere near that level. Time will tell if being great at defending but useless in the other parts of the game will be enough. I predict that he will get Shaw's treatment in two years or so.
Not sure about the second point. I think he made his first ever assist last season or so (also his first ever goal). He is definitely better at making those runs with the ball though.Funny thing is Shaw's actually much better on the ball, and was definitely far more promising going forward when he played for Southampton.
You haven't done him any favours bringing Evra into this. Without slagging off AWB Evra was in another stratosphere on the ball. His dribbling ability meant he frequently made penetrating runs and although his crossing was below average his passing was great. He had no problems being closed down and you always knew he was going to combine with another player to work the ball out of any press.What exactly do people mean when they say "going forward" he is bad? Is it because he doesn't try to drible his way through against an organised defence? To me Evra was not the most effective going forward stats wise, he played in a great team, was an attacking fullback, yet didn't always contribute with goals and assist. The thing that he always did do was contribute with movement, and he made himself available in the offensive play. Now Bissaka isn't the same player as Evra, far from it, but I wonder how effective Evra would be in this team. He wouldn't. He would be isolated with no creativity around him, expected to drible and cross, and guess what nobody would be in the box.
I've seen Wan-Bissaka play himself out of pressure in situations, with quick passes and transition it into an attack, I've seen him put in good crosses, and I've seen him pass between the lines to the striker and even through-balls into space for James. While he isn't doing these things consistently, our team aren't really making it easy for him to do so. He has been great defensively and shown good potential offensively at worst, imo. He makes himself available offensively, it is just that not much come of our established play. If he does a quick one-two and passes it to Lingard who loses the ball, or Pereira who's shot is blocked or Mata who passes it back, that is not on him imo.
You don't think that the player that usually was combining with Evra, was a tad bit better than our current midfielders now combining with AWB? I would also like to add that Evra wasn't the same player at the age of Wan-Bissaka. As you said, point wasn't to compare them. Why go there? Clearly my arguments are there to demonstrates how unnecessary it is to be criticising his current output, assisting and goalscoring rate. If you're going to judge his offensive capabilities, consider my points about Evra's style offensively and see how it applies to more of a defensive fullback in Wan-Bissaka. That way, you're expectations of what he offers can be judged on a different metric, than just blaming him for our lack of good offensive play like in about every other player thread in here.You haven't done him any favours bringing Evra into this. Without slagging off AWB Evra was in another stratosphere on the ball. His dribbling ability meant he frequently made penetrating runs and although his crossing was below average his passing was great. He had no problems being closed down and you always knew he was going to combine with another player to work the ball out of any press.
Poor from you to bring him into this and yes I know you weren't directly comparing them
Evra's ability would stand in any midfield. That's the point. He wasn't a system player who was affected by his midfield partners, he could dribble and drive the ball into the middle and out from the back. He started so many counters because of it. What makes it poor bringing Evra into it is it hurts not helps AWB's case. Aesthetically AWB's style of attack is closer to Lukaku in technical ability than it is to EvraYou don't think that the player that usually was combining with Evra, was a tad bit better than our current midfielders now combining with AWB? I would also like to add that Evra wasn't the same player at the age of Wan-Bissaka. As you said, point wasn't to compare them. Why go there? Clearly my arguments are there to demonstrates how unnecessary it is to be criticising his current output, assisting and goalscoring rate. If you're going to judge his offensive capabilities, consider my points about Evra's style offensively and see how it applies to more of a defensive fullback in Wan-Bissaka. That way, you're expectations of what he offers can be judged on a different metric, than just blaming him for our lack of good offensive play like in about every other player thread in here.
Might be your point, not mine. As I said, you already acknowledged I didn't compare them, yet you seem to do exactly that yourself.Evra's ability would stand in any midfield. That's the point. He wasn't a system player who was affected by his midfield partners, he could dribble and drive the ball into the middle and out from the back. He started so many counters because of it. What makes it poor bringing Evra into it is it hurts not helps AWB's case. Aesthetically AWB's style of attack is closer to Lukaku in technical ability than it is to Evra
In case youre still missing it, point is a talented fullback will look good to competent even in a bad team. I might even stretch that to any talented wide playerMight be your point, not mine. As I said, you already acknowledged I didn't compare them, yet you seem to do exactly that yourself.
Good to know that your point was an universal truth of sorts. AWB is a good right back, no Evra as of yet but very good and everyone sees that, and if an attacking player will struggle to create offensively in this team, certainly a defensive fullback would too. Just something to keep in mind is all, because I know that when fans get something in their head its hard to change it. He'll most likely improve a lot offensively, but by the time that happen there will be so many opinionated agendas around they'll be blind to the improvements.In case youre still missing it, point is a talented fullback will look good to competent even in a bad team. I might even stretch that to any talented wide player
Half these posters would say no to Zanetti if offered because he doesn't run like Robertson.
You have to play unselfishly for the team. Make runs to preocupy Wall-Bissaka because one on one he is as good as I have ever seen.Would be so demotivating being a left winger and knowing you've got 90 mins vs this guy
I've seen him play some good passes and crosses into the box, I'm not that worried that he doesn't have any goals or assists yet. Some of our actual attacking players barely have any, either.
Well yes he can attack. We’ve seen enough of it to say that with absolute confidence. It might not be as good at it as TAA or Robertson, but then again he’s also a helluva lot better defending than they are. Hipsters might hate it but defending is still pretty important for a defender.Yeah we know he can't attack.
And how exactly is it nonsense? The teams at the top have fullbacks who can attack and defend.
How many assists does he have? even Everton have fullbacks who contribute to attack, but nah them stats are nonsense all that matters are tackles.
There's no denying he's a quality full back and has improved our defence but I remember when we had fullbacks who could do both attack and defend maybe thats too much to ask for a 50m signing.Well yes he can attack. We’ve seen enough of it to say that with absolute confidence. It might not be as good at it as TAA or Robertson, but then again he’s also a helluva lot better defending than they are. Hipsters might hate it but defending is still pretty important for a defender.
Statistically, our fullbacks have all struggled to find assists for years. That’s as much to do with tactics and personnel elsewhere, as it is to do with their own ability. He certainly has big improvements to make in that department, but let’s not pretend it’s like we are playing Phil Jones at full back.
Yeah we know he can't attack.
And how exactly is it nonsense? The teams at the top have fullbacks who can attack and defend.
How many assists does he have? even Everton have fullbacks who contribute to attack, but nah them stats are nonsense all that matters are tackles.
Stop living in the past. Expecting our fullbacks to perform the same as their predecessors who played in quite possibly the best team ever to grace English football is asking for punishment. Put TAA in a dysfunctional side and you think he'd be producing anything like he is at Liverpool? I imagine he'd probably be getting pelters because his lack of defensive ability would be getting repeatedly exposed.There's no denying he's a quality full back and has improved our defence but I remember when we had fullbacks who could do both attack and defend maybe thats too much to ask for a 50m signing.
Funny you mention Taa and Robertson who cost 8 million combined.
There’s more than one way for teams to play football! I know the hipster ideal at the moment is for the fullbacks to be attacking play makers but having a rock steady defensive full back also means that there’s less emphasis on the attacking players to track back and cover the right hand side!
In all my years watching football I have never witnessed a player tackle so cleanly and be so difficult to beat!
Yep, he's got a great engine so he's constantly involved in the final third when we are breaking down the opposition, and can easily sprint back to defend. He'll eventually learn to make the right decisions in terms of when to pass and when to dribble, he will never cross like TAA but that doesnt mean he can still be effective in attack.He has actually been ok going forward. His passing is good he just needs to be lass passive on taking on the opposition fullback