A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino

It would be the easiest and most obvious decision Woodward could make, therefore I think it'll probably happen. I just get the feeling it would go badly wrong.
 
Adnan said:
Ben Davies: “Under Poch we very much had our style of play and it was just the high press, high intensity…

"Now I think we’re a bit more tactical, we’re a bit more aware of what we’re coming up against."

“We have a game plan for each game"

https://talksport.com/football/731864/ben-davies-tottenham-jose-mourinho-mauricio-pochettino/

That quote makes him sound a one dimensional coach.
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Because he is and that's part of the problem. We'll beat the bottom 6 and then lose against the top 6 with Pochettino here.
 
Poch may be better than Ole, but I doubt he's the answer.

I'd seriously take Brendan Rodgers over Poch.
 
Adnan said:
Ben Davies: “Under Poch we very much had our style of play and it was just the high press, high intensity…

"Now I think we’re a bit more tactical, we’re a bit more aware of what we’re coming up against."

“We have a game plan for each game"

https://talksport.com/football/731864/ben-davies-tottenham-jose-mourinho-mauricio-pochettino/

That quote makes him sound a one dimensional coach.
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Our lazy players would hate the intensity of training. He wouldn't last 5 minutes here.
 
I like poch and would have happily had him here pre-Ole getting the perm job.

For everyone calling for his appointment now though I'm not really sure what they'd expect to improve this season? Poch would have zero opportunity to impose his style of play as the pandemic means we have a game every 3 days for practically the whole season, even next preseason will be minimal due to the euros

No doubt be needs a job so would almost certainly except it however he'd be under immediate pressure with little chance of improving things short term imho
 
Red_Aaron said:
I like poch and would have happily had him here pre-Ole getting the perm job.

For everyone calling for his appointment now though I'm not really sure what they'd expect to improve this season? Poch would have zero opportunity to impose his style of play as the pandemic means we have a game every 3 days for practically the whole season, even next preseason will be minimal due to the euros

No doubt be needs a job so would almost certainly except it however he'd be under immediate pressure with little chance of improving things short term imho
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His Southampton team didn’t take long.

Their first game was against us and they pressed us off the park and even SAF was impressed.
 
We certainly could do with working harder and making life more difficult for our opponents when they have the ball. Too often our players are jogging about and making life easy for the other side, if Poch could change that it would be an immediate improvement.
 
Adnan said:
Ben Davies: “Under Poch we very much had our style of play and it was just the high press, high intensity…

"Now I think we’re a bit more tactical, we’re a bit more aware of what we’re coming up against."

“We have a game plan for each game"

https://talksport.com/football/731864/ben-davies-tottenham-jose-mourinho-mauricio-pochettino/

That quote makes him sound a one dimensional coach.
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Or it could mean that Mourinho is more wary of the opponent.

I rather the next manager focuses on us. Of course there will be matches where we come up against world class players and we need to keep a eye on them. But it’s why a lot of managers have failed post SAF. They been more worried about nullifying the opposition than what we should be doing.
 
Bring in a manager with a direction, ideology and leadership capabilities. That's all we need doesn't have to be the most renowned name. I still think many underrate Poch on here however one thing I remember about Tottenham is during his prior seasons before his sacking they were very consistent. Consistency is the only element we've lacked under our last 4 managers so it's a welcome commodity for me.

If its everyone's perogative to highlight his worst season why isn't Ole's time with Cardiff also considered ? There's some quotes that Ole has made during his Cardiff tenure that aligns with his management now and that's essentially broken promises. I'd have more optimism under Poch compared to Ole and he would without a doubt play a more positive style of football.
 
Bebestation said:
It would literally blow me up.

Jose's 4231, Ole's 4231 and then Pochettino aswell?
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The main problem during that time was that we didn't have a #10, which is the single most important player for that formation to work. As such it didn't make any sense to keep playing that formation and I'll never understand why it was our main style for so long. Now that we've got Bruno that formation makes a lot more sense although we would still need to upgrade at least one of the deeper positions. Pogba doesn't suit it though (another reason it was ridiculous that we kept playing it) but this is probably his last season here.
 
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Bojan11 said:
Or it could mean that Mourinho is more wary of the opponent.

I rather the next manager focuses on us. Of course there will be matches where we come up against world class players and we need to keep a eye on them. But it’s why a lot of managers have failed post SAF. They been more worried about nullifying the opposition than what we should be doing.
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Your hitting a very good point who remembers Solskjaer first few games talking about having the opposition worry about us rather than the other way round. It certainly hasn't played out that way given Ole's approach has been the opposite of his statement. But these pragmatic managers worrying about the opposition more then the strengths of the team will always come up short.
 
MadDogg said:
The main problem during that time was that we didn't have a #10, which is the single most important player for that formation to work. As such it didn't make any sense to keep playing that formation and I'll never understand why it was our main style for so long. Now that we've got Bruno that formation makes a lot more sense although we would still need to upgrade at least one of the deeper positions. Pogba doesn't suit it though but this is probably his last season here.
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If we stick with a 4231 we probably need two new midfielders unless VDB can play alongside a DM. McFred is a decent short term option, but neither are good enough if we want to challenge.
 
passing-wind said:
Your hitting a very good point who remembers Solskjaer first few games talking about having the opposition worry about us rather than the other way round. It certainly hasn't played out that way given Ole's approach has been the opposite of his statement. But these pragmatic managers worrying about the opposition more then the strengths of the team will always come up short.
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This was Rio on that clown Moyes
 
Red_Aaron said:
I like poch and would have happily had him here pre-Ole getting the perm job.

For everyone calling for his appointment now though I'm not really sure what they'd expect to improve this season? Poch would have zero opportunity to impose his style of play as the pandemic means we have a game every 3 days for practically the whole season, even next preseason will be minimal due to the euros

No doubt be needs a job so would almost certainly except it however he'd be under immediate pressure with little chance of improving things short term imho
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If we think hes the right man for the job, it would give him the season to look at the players we have and decide who he wants to keep and who isn't up for it. Personally I'm not 100% convinced hes the manager we need, but sadly neither is Ole.
 
padzilla said:
I would look at Hassenhuttl or Nagelsmann
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People want to look at Hassenhuttl and want to omit Poch? Poch done much more than him at Soton alone. While I am all for progressive managers over dinosaurs like Mourinhom Van Gaal I believe there are risks and bigger risks. Nagelsmann also got spanked 5:0 last game iirrc by certain Untied manager too. Will be a hard choice but still think Poch would be great candidate rather than some flavour of the month..
 
FootyGirl88 said:
If we stick with a 4231 we probably need two new midfielders unless VDB can play alongside a DM. McFred is a decent short term option, but neither are good enough if we want to challenge.
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Personally I think Fred is good enough in that role as long as we get a good enough partner for him. At least in the short-term anyway; maybe we'd need to strengthen more in the future but I don't think it'd be a position we'd be desperate in.
 
passing-wind said:
Your hitting a very good point who remembers Solskjaer first few games talking about having the opposition worry about us rather than the other way round. It certainly hasn't played out that way given Ole's approach has been the opposite of his statement. But these pragmatic managers worrying about the opposition more then the strengths of the team will always come up short.
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What kills Guardiola in the champions league. But I do think a manager should not be too rigid and recognise when he needs to change his tactics. Poch is a bit too rigid for my liking
 
MadDogg said:
Personally I think Fred is good enough in that role as long as we get a good enough partner for him. At least in the short-term anyway; maybe we'd need to strengthen more in the future but I don't think it'd be a position we'd be desperate in.
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That would mean 2 players playing in a twin DM role wouldn't it?

We haven't replaced Carrick and Matic' legs have had it. Arsenal only had Partey doing the job and he did it magnificently. One great player is all that is needed. Zakaria is perfect instead of wasting millions on Sancho
 
Inigo Montoya said:
That would mean 2 players playing in a twin DM role wouldn't it?

We haven't replaced Carrick and Matic' legs have had it. Arsenal only had Partey doing the job and he did it magnificently. One great player is all that is needed. Zakaria is perfect instead of wasting millions on Sancho
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Yes Zakaria or Soumare could do the job instead of 2 staying back. Tuanzebe beside Maguire...
 
Gotta say I'm pretty surprised at the amount of people in here that don't want Poch. He is absolutely brilliant and you would be lucky to have him.
 
balaks said:
Gotta say I'm pretty surprised at the amount of people in here that don't want Poch. He is absolutely brilliant and you would be lucky to have him.
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Did he always play a 4231 with you guys? I dont like that formation it makes me feel uneasy
 
FootyGirl88 said:
Did he always play a 4231 with you guys? I dont like that formation it makes me feel uneasy
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He did mostly yes - he has a system he likes and he aims to get every player working to their peak to work within that system. This is why he will quickly want to get rid of the players he doesn't think can give him what he needs and will need backed to get the players he wants to suit that system. That's not to say he isn't able to change and adapt - if you look at the first couple of years at Spurs it was all about fitness and high pressing intensity - towards the end the pressing was no longer as intense and we worked in a slightly different way. He is a young manager still developing his ideas but he is top notch. You would all absolutely love him I'm sure of it.
 
Judas said:
For sure, and I've no doubt Poch will be brought in to replace him because it's the most obvious choice, and it really is pretty bleak.
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Think if we lose the Everton game the board will pull the trigger and get Pochettino in. The board won't wait until it's mathematically impossible like they usually do as they are losing money due to the covid pandemic due to no fans in the stadiums and won't want to lose champions league revenue too.
 
balaks said:
Gotta say I'm pretty surprised at the amount of people in here that don't want Poch. He is absolutely brilliant and you would be lucky to have him.
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I wouldn't say Lukcy to have him. Lucky would be appointing someone like Klopp, Pep, Zidane and even Flick.

I wanted him as ManUtd manager for long time, I hope we sign him quickly, now that he is available and without much competition. Would be good to have a manager who wants to set up team to dominate and on front foot.
 
balaks said:
Gotta say I'm pretty surprised at the amount of people in here that don't want Poch. He is absolutely brilliant and you would be lucky to have him.
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I'm a bit concerned about his away record in big games. And, well, he kind of looks like a manager who will improve our players, will get them to play with intensity, get them to press well - but I can't really see him taking United to the next level.

He'd probably be a clear improvement over Solskjaer but I'm not sold on him as someone to regularly challenge for the big stuff.
 
SATA said:
Why was he sacked then? Genuine question
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He had taken that group of players as far as he could and the squad needed a major refresh - I think some of the players had become a little stale and tensions had started to appear in the dressing room - The loss of the Champions League final had a dramatic impact on Poch and the players and unfortunately he was unable to recover from it. Part of that is down to his personality - he is incredibly passionate and that was such a huge blow that it took him a long time (far too long) to get over it and that impacted on the team and he wasn't able to bring it back. I felt it was right to have a change and I think that the changes Jose has made to the squad have shown how the squad needed shaken up. Poch could have done that but he is not as pragmatic as Jose. What I mean by that is that Poch will identify a small group of players that he feels would improve the side and if the club cant get them he will not accept anybody who he didn't want - this was part of the reason that we didn't sign players over 2 windows. Jose hasn't been like that, he is more flexible and we have had a wonderful transfer window as a result.

Poch in a club like Utd with unlimited (almost) resources should be able to actually sign those players he wants so it could work out very well. IF he is backed.
 
Siorac said:
I'm a bit concerned about his away record in big games. And, well, he kind of looks like a manager who will improve our players, will get them to play with intensity, get them to press well - but I can't really see him taking United to the next level.

He'd probably be a clear improvement over Solskjaer but I'm not sold on him as someone to regularly challenge for the big stuff.
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Poch deserves the chance to manage one of the 'big' clubs in Europe to finally prove himself capable of making that next step. If he is fully backed and is allowed time to implement his ideas then I have no doubt he could be very successful. What he did with Spurs was remarkable - he would be a massive upgrade on Ole. I would be very conflicted if he became Utd manager I gotta say. I'd love to see him do well and prove to everybody how good he is, but I also don't want a rival club to get better for obvious reasons.
 
Isotope said:
Poch may be better than Ole, but I doubt he's the answer.

I'd seriously take Brendan Rodgers over Poch.
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Initially I dismissed Brendan as soon as someone suggested him (probably the past Liverpool links clouding my judgement!), but the more I think of it, the more I tend to agree with this shout.
 
Not sure if he is the answer but he has pedigree in the PL and the CL, even though he has won nothing.

He is also good at drilling defences, and has a toughness about him that I like.

Seems a nice guy but you wouldn't want to cross him as a player. Good combination imo.

Maybe he is the right manager for us at this stage in our history
 
Adnan said:
Ben Davies: “Under Poch we very much had our style of play and it was just the high press, high intensity…

"Now I think we’re a bit more tactical, we’re a bit more aware of what we’re coming up against."

“We have a game plan for each game"

https://talksport.com/football/731864/ben-davies-tottenham-jose-mourinho-mauricio-pochettino/

That quote makes him sound a one dimensional coach.
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This is why I think he is a toned down version of Jose Mourinho. Similar tactics but toned down a level.
 
Pav1878 said:
Not sure if he is the answer but he has pedigree in the PL and the CL, even though he has won nothing.

He is also good at drilling defences, and has a toughness about him that I like.

Seems a nice guy but you wouldn't want to cross him as a player. Good combination imo.

Maybe he is the right manager for us at this stage in our history
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Ole's United side has conceded 74 goals in the league in 65 games. Thats a goal conceded every 1.1 games.
Pochs Tottenham side conceded 206 goals in the league in 202 games. Thats a goal conceded every 1.0 games.

The interesting thing is that they're almost identical with goals scored too.
 
RedSky said:
Ole's United side has conceded 74 goals in the league in 65 games. Thats a goal conceded every 1.1 games.
Pochs Tottenham side conceded 206 goals in the league in 202 games. Thats a goal conceded every 1.0 games.

The interesting thing is that they're almost identical with goals scored too.
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Shush now, your post doesn’t fit the narrative.
 
He'd improve us in some aspects, but I predict (if it happens) that within a season of not crushing all before us, half this forum will be throwing it's toys out the pram and dredging up the "trophies aren't important" quote.
 
balaks said:
He had taken that group of players as far as he could and the squad needed a major refresh - I think some of the players had become a little stale and tensions had started to appear in the dressing room - The loss of the Champions League final had a dramatic impact on Poch and the players and unfortunately he was unable to recover from it. Part of that is down to his personality - he is incredibly passionate and that was such a huge blow that it took him a long time (far too long) to get over it and that impacted on the team and he wasn't able to bring it back. I felt it was right to have a change and I think that the changes Jose has made to the squad have shown how the squad needed shaken up. Poch could have done that but he is not as pragmatic as Jose. What I mean by that is that Poch will identify a small group of players that he feels would improve the side and if the club cant get them he will not accept anybody who he didn't want - this was part of the reason that we didn't sign players over 2 windows. Jose hasn't been like that, he is more flexible and we have had a wonderful transfer window as a result.

Poch in a club like Utd with unlimited (almost) resources should be able to actually sign those players he wants so it could work out very well. IF he is backed.
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The only problem being Ole and Jose think and thought they have unlimited resources. Although we have made some good signings, Woody often fails to bring the one player the coach wants.
Having said that, Poch would appear to have the personality that Ole lacks;he wouldn’t tolerate the casual attitude of Pogba for example
 
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