You missed the point where Poch won something then point out the other two managers who had won nothing in the Prem with their teams
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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You missed the point where Poch won something then point out the other two managers who had won nothing in the Prem with their teams
What in the name of feck do you guys watch? Cause it can't be football if you think Wolverhampton play 'great' football
Yeah, they were, and still are. I just havent got a clue why. Finishing behind that dinosaur Mourinho aswell!
Nuno has overachieved with Wolves. Poch underachieved. 4th when United got 2nd with Mour. Let Leicester win the easiest title they could have won. Lost the dressing room and left a sinking ship which the dinosaur had to save, you couldn't write it. Has been Ancelotti sitting pretty at the top with bloomin' EVERTON.
You missed the point where Poch won something then point out the other two managers who had won nothing in the Prem with their teams
You on about the league cup?
You know every week when people say Ole has no system? Well we see Nuno has one every week. So much so that teams have been after most of their players.
It isn't exactly beautiful football but it is great football. Getting the best from his team.
Oh and Poch had them playing such boring stuff in the end. They look more entertaining under Bourinho.
Tuchel would be better for us, as IMO he's one of the best I've seen at breaking down parked buses which has been our primary problem post SAF (and even before then); his Dortmund 15/16 team was incredible at that. In addition he's also quite good at substitutions.
With that said Poch is definitely a clear 2nd choice, although he'd have to improve in the aforementioned aspects were he to come here.
With that said Poch is definitely a clear 2nd choice, although he'd have to improve in the aforementioned aspects were he to come here.
Yes we can,who fecking concerns themselves with 3 fecking league games as a wider picture unless the objective is to see the manager sacked...
I guess my mind doesn't live in a world where I think Ole of all people goes on a strop, self inflicts and implodes looking to be sacked
No. Non of them have won nothing at their respective clubs in this league. Dis justice to Don Carlo he hasn’t been at Everton a year yet
Why would anyone join United? Money, prestige, biggest stage in world football, money etc.
Lack of accountability. It's a piss easy job compared to the other big ones on the same pay scale.
That sort of monitoring will certainly appeal to the United top brass.
And that. I reckon we give managers at a minimum a year longer than they should get. Which I'm sure the managers appreciate!
I've never said Poch plays great football. In fact, I find his football functional but quite boring - even when he was doing well. It's still far better than the piss Nuno serves up with Wolves though.
Pochettino was the club's first choice manager to replace LVG before we decided on Mourinho, he's been under the club's watch to success in here. The issue is how in the world we went from Poch to Mourinho? They are two different managers play different system & philosophy. If Poch wasn't available then we shouldn't sack LVG until Poch is available or at least going for manager with similar philosophy as Poch. Once again, this is an evident that the board has no strong set of structure & philosophy for the football club to have two different philosophy manager as their candidate.
We are just sacking manager and find replacement randomly without knowing what we actually want. When different philosophy manager is replacing one and another, it means they will need different player & the scout needs to adapt with his standard of player.
We are just sacking manager and find replacement randomly without knowing what we actually want. When different philosophy manager is replacing one and another, it means they will need different player & the scout needs to adapt with his standard of player.
You think ole is tactically good enough?
But the big difference between us and the clubs you mentioned are that they are generally well run and they set their managers on a path to success, not failure. Ours is a much more difficult task, mostly because of our outdated structure and the fact that the people on the top are not football people at all.
And i dont really give a toss about being a "sacking club" or not. I just dont think every top manager out there is clawing at Ed's door to get a shot at the job here, because that is just not the case. Klopp did turn us down and went to the dippers instead after Ed's daft "Disneyland" sales pitch.
Hes no worse than Poch. A comparison of their top 6 record will tell you that.
Yeah that's why Madrid sacked Benitez and Lopetegui after 2 months. They set them up for some real success right there.
The difference between those clubs and us is they don't give a shit about the managers. The managers are the most disposable part of the entire club, and they'll keep hiring and firing them up until it works. And then guess what, when an even a successful manager starts to show signs of losing effectiveness they'll feck him off too. There's zero sentimentality.
I've watched Wolves enough to see they have a system and it's executed very well at times.
I've watched 2 years of United to not even getting close to understanding or even defining Ole ball.
I can't get excited for Mauricio Pochettino becoming manager. In fact I can't get excited about any manager coming in. It will just be the cycle repeated again
Yes but that doesn't mean that they play great football. They're a well coached, functional team but the football is awful to watch for the most part.
They managed 51 goals last season in 38 games - that's with players of Jimenez, Traore and Jota's talent in their ranks. That's 2 more than LVGs United managed in 15/16.
Not necessarily so. Everton finally seem to be breaking their own version of that particular cycle.
If we are to sack Ole and bring in a new manager, that guy has to be better or needs to have the potential to be better than Klopp and Pep. Pochettino is not better than those two imo. Negelsmann on the other hand I rate as potentially better than Klopp.
Yeah Madrid aren't specially run or anything. They just have the advantage of being the most prestigious club destination in world football. Every player they flick their eyelash at is ready to burn bridges to be sold to them
If Ole leaves today this is one thing I'll be glad to never have to hear again. Only among United fans is this even a minority opinion
Are you serious?
Exactly. Nobody saw Liverpool as a model of being well run when they were replacing Suarez with Balotelli and Lambert and Everton have been bad for several years, the thing they both did is get a really high quality manager and that has given them the comfort that at least the manager role is sorted and a figurehead around who they can sort out other issues.
I don't get this idea that because we're badly run in other areas that there's no point improving on Solskjaer when there are clearly significantly better options out there. Whether Pochettino is the man to bring us back to challenging for the title is not clear (I do think Nagelsmann would be the more adventurous choice with more risk but a higher upside) but he did at least go close before with much lesser resources and a weaker squad to begin with.
Poch has become this myth, his fan boys are seduced by the CL run.
If Poch takes the PSG job, I will be glad to have this thread closed and hopefully a better manager emerges as a candidate to replace Ole. Poch is in the same bracket as Rodgers and Howe and within that bracket I actually put them above him.
He isn't a myth for saying he is a better manager than Ole. In that scenario Ole would be the one whose myth is being exaggerated. Even the category of Rodgers you mentioned so casually are considered better than Ole
Hes a myth in terms of achievement, his die hard fans paint him in the mould of taking a mid table club to the verge of the title. Redknapp did more for Spurs than Poch ever did in breaking into the top 4, Jol and him built the platform for him.
Poch benefited from the demise of Arsenal and United and had a world class striker in Kane to fall back on. Saying Poch is better than Ole is just a opinion, theres not much to back it up unless theres enough comparable data to make a concrete conclusion.
Better go with RVP over Greenwood then
So we should aspire to become as ridiculous as that? Should we start bringing white handkerchiefs to OT as well? La Liga is a two horse race where everything besides a league title and a CL medal is seen as failure. Just because Ferguson spolied us does not mean we can have those kinds of demands, because they are simply not realistic in the current climate.
And its not about sentimentally. Its about accepting the fact that we currently are a level below the best teams and we wont get back up there overnight. Just changing manager and hoping for a magic fix wont solve it when we all know that there are other more pressing problems that needs to be addressed
"But we cant do anything about Ed"
As fans we have just as much authority to ask for Ed's removal as Oles
Lets see. Already plenty in the press about him not getting his targets...
Yeah, and plenty of fans that believe everything they read and drink that stuff up. Didnt get 300m in targets, poor Ole, I am sure he's not as pedantic as Jose in that regard.
Laurie Whitwell is a reporter for Athletic with genuine sources at the club in fairness.
The irony of all of this being that every thing here can be applied to Ole on an even greater magnitude. Poch is overhyped for making the CL final but you had no problem hyping Ole on the basis of his top 6 record. His competition was weak? Well you know where we can take this regarding Ole's PL competition last season. Anyone can be discredited this way. It's okay if it's your opinion Ole's better though, you're entitled to it
And plenty of fans drink up the fact Jose was sacked because of his remarks and not because results looked like he wouldn't make top 4 which is all this clubs cares about.
If results don't improve Ole will get sacked regardless of if he speaks out or not