Allegri or bust. (I have restarted my campaign).
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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It is more about the long term as in we will never compete, regardless of many world class players we buy without a knowledge within the squad on how to pass, move and press as a cohesive unit. Something that will never happen under the current manager, unless he appoints some coaches that knows how to teach this to the team.
It is like saying Ole literally beat PsG and got United into the quarter finals of the champions league without looking at the context of things. Ole was heavily lucky to get third. In most season the point totally he accumulated, would barely get him Europa league football and was equivalent to Moyes disaster season. We lucked out that season and if I was in the board of a major company like United, I will not ignore that and think that things will improve, when the root of the problem has not been fixed since he has come in charge.
Id say he hasnt cause your in the CL and thats the aim for the Glazeirs... You say the Glazers arent backing Ole, how much have the players Ole brought in cost?
You quoted the wrong person? I say glazer are backing Ole.
We've endured too many years of boring, defensive football.
It's about time we got a modern day, attacking manager who looks to inflict his football on the opposition instead of being reactive to their game.
" Maybe that is a reason why Woodward has not open the United warchest for Sancho yet because he feels that Ole won’t be here next season. "
They already have and he got you top 4.
I am referring to this window where we have spent £35.7m at the moment. I expect United have a bigger warchest than what we have already given Ole. I m pretty confident that we can afford £100m plus for Sancho.
I'd bring him in. Ole won't get us past top 3/4 anyway, Sancho or no Sancho. He is just not getting the best out of the current squad. We don't need Sancho to beat Palace. The coaching staff is not good enough, man management and coaching is non existent.
He’s a better coach than ole so feck it yeah get him in. He’s used to getting no money & having to make the best out of shit players so he’d be right at home here.
Not convinced by him either and even less after how his team just gave up after having played the CL final.
Mate, I joined 2 months after you back in 2013 but I just don't treat this forum like Facebook and I ain't desperate to get likes for full member status.
Rememeber before he was sacked utd were supposedly considering paying Tottenham 40m for him.
Anyway, we'll see who the next manager is when the typical winter sacking happens.
When has United ever truly been that kinda team tho?
Other than Moyes we hired managers who pretty much were desperate for job/got ousted for poor results etc. We shouldnt be the afterthought club - or the club you run to to leave bad times behind. He s proven to be able to work with massive talents. He understood the ethos of a club like Juve which os probably even greater than that of United, etc.
There are def more reasons of course but lets start with that.
And what makes you think they`d back Ole even if we we had tactics like prime Barcelona? This same board forced Fergie the greatest manager of all time to work with Obertan, Owen and Valencia as replacements for CR7 and Tevez if you think their ambition will change under Poch and Ole is the problem you have poor foresight
Then buy him, hes one of the best young players in the world, any coach would want him, POCH guaranteed, he tried to sign him from City.
https://www.football365.com/news/pochettino-praises-very-good-former-spurs-target-sancho
Exactly.
With some Caftards you wonder if they walk into a lamppost twelve times and expect it to move the thirteenth time.
No Man Utd manager is going to get the backing we, the fans, want to see.
Do people genuinely think Ole wouldn't massively upgrade the squad if he could? Pep and Klopp have been allowed to move on, literally, dozens of players since they took over at their clubs. Ole is forced to keep hold of players he clearly doesn't rate because...f-k knows. Marcos Rojo got a new contract. Phil Jones, Andreas Pereira, Juan Mata. If people think the Board will suddenly abandon their way of doing things cos Poch or Nagelsmann or Christ himself was in the dugout they're deluded.
Was Ole was lucky to lead his team unbeaten for the last 14 games??
I don't think so.
Your clutching massively there.
Amadeus is Mauricio.You cant sack him after one game.
You're spot on. It's hard to be objective about one's own club, especially after a performance like that.
I can see this thread popping a lot again this year, but at least wait for a couple of months before we get a bigger picture of how things are.
What bigger picture? Nearly 2 years are not enough?
New season + lets see what happens to the remaining transfer window. If we do get players in, we will need see how they play like when they get their fitness and the results we get under Ole. I reckon 2-3 months and we get a picture of how the season will really pan out.
All clubs are the same, we were the same after Everton where we played 10 times worse than United today.
Hopefully, he will still be able available if Solskjaer ends up getting sacked.
People think he is a defensive manager, but that was only the case really for the 18/19 and 19/20 part season. In truth, he is a manager that likes a pressing style of play; Tottenham under him in 17/18 was the second most effective pressing team in the league and was third the season before.
He is great with youth players and bringing out player's potential.
Honestly, he ticks most fans boxes. He may have not won anything, but neither has Solskjaer who is at a bigger club.
Pochettin has dealt with really tight owners at Tottenham, so coming here will feel great in terms of how much we spend. We have to remember that £250m has been spent under Solskjaer alone in just over 1 year.
He needs to be the next stop.
People think he is a defensive manager, but that was only the case really for the 18/19 and 19/20 part season. In truth, he is a manager that likes a pressing style of play; Tottenham under him in 17/18 was the second most effective pressing team in the league and was third the season before.
He is great with youth players and bringing out player's potential.
Honestly, he ticks most fans boxes. He may have not won anything, but neither has Solskjaer who is at a bigger club.
Pochettin has dealt with really tight owners at Tottenham, so coming here will feel great in terms of how much we spend. We have to remember that £250m has been spent under Solskjaer alone in just over 1 year.
He needs to be the next stop.
He will be given money to spend yes but will it be when we need it the most? Yes he`ll probably spend 150m or more in his first season but what about when he gets us CL football and we need to close the gap on the top teams? Do you still think he`ll get the backing he needs or he`ll be thrown under the bus like Jose and Ole?
Best case scenario is we get Telles and a decent RW(hopefully Sancho) so that Poch gets a solid base to start with as the current squad needs a LB, CB, DM, RW and ST when Ighalo leaves and thats without considering Pogba may leave and he may need to be replaced
True, we do tend to cut back on spending after we reach the Champion's League positions (so long as we don't actually sign Sancho; it's looking like it's either him or nobody.), but I would trust Pochettino to hold us in a top four position without signings more than most managers. After all, he did the same thing with Tottenham in 18/19 (no signings, but reached CL final and top four), albeit, it did collapse after that.
I think if he manages that, it will be far more likely he will get the funding in the following transfer window after the summer of little spending (we always spend something, to be fair, unlike Tottenham - seems about £40m - £50m).
Pochettino is more suited to us because of his ability to get the most out of his players. With that, I think he could make better use of the windows where we spend less as well.
I think Pochettino can get better use out of some of our players e.g. Fred, Shaw (He did manage him at Southampton, so it may have some bearing) etc. This will help us with delaying certain areas of recruitment.
He will suit us more than any other manager and is the least likely to be in such a position to be thrown out. After all, it isn't only the owners fault we have been poor.
I remain optimistic with Ole but I feel that United have looked like a team that just isn't well coached for so long now, even in the last years of Fergie. Towards the end under LVG was in my opinion showing the beginnings of it but then he got the elbow. I really would like to see Ole succeed, but if he doesn't, I feel like with Pochettino he would soon get us looking like a well coached team, instead of a bunch of individuals who stand still and seldom make well drilled runs for each other. If you can't break the bank by simply getting the best players in each position then you need good coaching. We have some excellent players particularly in midfield and attack, with proper coaching they could be so much better.
I dont want us to get Poch so he can be a Glazer defender/apologist and give us an excuse not to spend its why its imperative we get at least 2 more names this summer cause if he doesnt have a decent base to build on not needing to spend big every summer with the risk of being thrown under the bus or he`ll follow the same suite as all our managers post Fergie era and no amount of coaching will turn turds like Fred and Shaw into top players Fred can never ever ever be a top DM and Shaw will always get a niggly injury somewhere in the season plus he is our only left footed LB we still need a LB no matter what.
Pochettino complained about the lack of spending at Tottenham, so he won't be an apologist/defender.
Still, complaining doesn't do anything for the fans as it won't change the owners. We want to see the team play the best it can and Pochettino is the best manager for that.
Pochettino said only yesterday that it is his 'dream' to manage Real Madrid one day. He is Sergio Reguilón part II.
Even if we hire Pochettino now, he is a long-term project; he won't get instant trophies for United. But there's no sense in hiring someone whose primary intent will be to wait till Zidane quits or is fired. United will only be a stepping-stone for him.
Even if we hire Pochettino now, he is a long-term project; he won't get instant trophies for United. But there's no sense in hiring someone whose primary intent will be to wait till Zidane quits or is fired. United will only be a stepping-stone for him.
I don't want any more new managers under this board. If Ole isn't the man we need to rip the whole thing up not just change the manager. Changing managers doesn't do anything. We still have dumb and dumber running things above the managers head.
If Ole has to go then so be it but Woodward n Judge need to go with him. Ole shouldn't be the fall guy. No chance.
If Ole has to go then so be it but Woodward n Judge need to go with him. Ole shouldn't be the fall guy. No chance.
I think Pochettino had an edge when he came to England eight years ago. He was probably the only coach in the PL to play with a organized, high press and a drilled, modern system on how to play out from the back. It gave his team a tactical advantage.
Today a lot of teams (Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Brighton, Southampton, Leeds) play this way and teams are getting used to it and know better how solve the issues this style present. So the edge he once had is gone.
We see these types of paradigm shifts all the time in football. Some more crucial than others. Data analytics and this type of style has been the two most crucial shifts of the past decade. Ferguson somehow always managed to stay on top of the changes. I remember when Mourinho came in and had a edge with his «tactical periodization»-ideas that gave him an edge. At that time, CQ (who once was a teacher to Mourinho) had already been with us for a few years.
I still think we need a coach/manager who know how to implement this type of style, but I’m less convinced that it have to be Pochettino. But yes, sure, Pochettino would be better than anything we have tried so far.
Today a lot of teams (Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Brighton, Southampton, Leeds) play this way and teams are getting used to it and know better how solve the issues this style present. So the edge he once had is gone.
We see these types of paradigm shifts all the time in football. Some more crucial than others. Data analytics and this type of style has been the two most crucial shifts of the past decade. Ferguson somehow always managed to stay on top of the changes. I remember when Mourinho came in and had a edge with his «tactical periodization»-ideas that gave him an edge. At that time, CQ (who once was a teacher to Mourinho) had already been with us for a few years.
I still think we need a coach/manager who know how to implement this type of style, but I’m less convinced that it have to be Pochettino. But yes, sure, Pochettino would be better than anything we have tried so far.
You're right; we haven't, but that's the thing - wouldn't it be nice to finally become a team like that, though? I think it's about time we because that sort of team, personally.
I get where you're coming from, but, for me, I'm just desperate to see us become a team who plays good, entertaining football again. I just don't think we'd get that with Allegri.
I think a lot of this is the main issue.
Pochettino was a 'trendsetter' with Southampton and early spurs by rinsing a high level of fitness out of his teams, pressing high etc. Pep came over and had his version, everyone evolved to the fashion and slowly Poch's style was watered down by everyone else's implementation.
He didn't evolve it in any way over the 5 and a bit seasons, and very, very rarely had an effective 'Plan B' that was anything but a car crash. Wouldn't make a sub before the 80th minute unless he had to either. What this meant was that the high intensity just wrecked the players and the team's lifespan suffered.
He'd be great if you wanted to finish 2nd or 3rd consistently, but we never had the stamina for a full season - that's why Liverpool and Leicester won titles ahead of us, because we'd be great for the first 85% of the season, then tire and fall away for the rest.
Of course he could evolve and come back different, but history is littered with managers who were inexplicably good (but not glorious) for a small window of time, and then faded away. I think clubs must know this, as "the hottest manager around" (so said the media at the time) has been out of a job for a year whilst several huge jobs have passed him by.
Wonder how long Tuchel will last at PSG. I can see him being their next coach if he's still out of work at that point.
He must be waiting for that. Ex-player, has good contacts at the club, guaranteed to win the league even if you're a rubbish manager to be honest. Even more curious; Dele is being linked to them now.
Also: he turned down Monaco, meaning he is surely waiting for something?
I wonder what (who) is he waiting? Turned down Monaco and Benfica. Does he have some secret deal with Real, PSG or United or he just decided to wait even it means waiting two years? Strange one
We will never get a better chance to hire a top class manager and steady the ship.
He probably knows that if he chooses the wrong 'next job' he could end up back at Southampton level (no offence to them, it's just context).
As a result, I expect he'd be cleverer to wait for a strong team in a league where's he's somewhat guaranteed to win something. Could be that PSG have whispered in his ear that they'll consider him after Tuchel, or Real have said 'when Zidane decides to quit again'.
Daftest thing he could do is go for a Newcastle-after-buyout type job, though.