devilish
Juventus fan who used to support United
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Excellent, someone who scores less than Lingard
In the championship ie the same league that made sessegnon look like Messi
Excellent, someone who scores less than Lingard
The prem has been low on quality for a long time before the pep and Klopp era hence none of the teams were all that relevant in Europe. Now it is ridiculously difficult to win it but back then we put out a not so vintage side and strolled in in 2013. All the mediocre years of the prem culminated in a surprise Leicester win.
My point is overcoming a really great side makes a league harder to win than how many teams that are competing for the title. Klopp is unlikely to win the title this season despite an outrageous points total. Winning La liga in the past decade if you're not Barca has been a hell of a challenge to an extent that the galacticos have barely done it.
Poch came 3rd in a 2 horse race in the Leicester season. He then managed to not overcome Contes Chelsea. Pep then comes in and does what he does and the chance to win the league is minute. Beating Heynckes Bayern to the title is a bigger achievement than winning any of the prem season's pre Pep and since our late 00's side.
Yes it is. You should call all of them out . It is hilarious to read. Just look up people who argued against me and you have your list.The amount of opinions flipping in this thread and threads about him is crazy.
In the first leg yes, not in that second leg, zero tactical tweaks, just effort and the slight bit of fortune you need to win games. Couple in Tadic having a shot rather than taking it into the corner in the last couple of seconds of the gameIt was tactical though. They went route one and capitalized on the size difference between Blind and Llorente.
All of that is logical and fair. The transfer market activity and preseason should give a better of Ole's managerial quality and the direction in which were headed.I agree with most of it but we did see the improvements in the initial run. In his interview with Neville he said they started focusing on results when they were in race for top 4. Actually that's a good interview where he says how the things are.
At least for me, the conclusions from first 4 months is
- We changed the style and worked hard as a team in the initial run. (Made more sprints than opponents)
- Fitness caught up (Solskjaer - Of course the fitness levels are not good enough for me. Maybe we have been caught up with that respect and pre-season is going to be a big mark for me and for all of us.)
- We were in race for top 4, so focus shifted to results, coincided with lot of injuries because of high work rate. (Again this is the team that was in 20th position in work rate and IIRC 19th this season). Also this was the time when games came thick and fast.
- re progress, this is why I believe in Ole. He has all the right ideas, that working on fitness, playing with intensity, recruiting players who wants to be here rather than who wants just 10-20% pay hike.
If he can execute his ideas is left to see. For the first time since SAF I believe we have manager who has right ideas.
I believe people think we are just making excuse for Ole talking about fitness but they refuse to read the articles on Conte, Poch's preseason preparation or players who talks about how improved fitness helped them to play better. Look at the intensity with which Liverpool and Spurs play, no wonder teams struggle to cope with them.
that's a weird statement to make considering most of this forum have wanted Poch for ages now. Even when Solskjaer was hired a lot of people (me included) said we should only do it because we can't get Poch. I mean in a poll back after Mourinho was sacked he was the overwhelming first pick.I admire you. Tide is already turning, they want a shiny new toy, are impatient and not only that there are running jokes about Ole, I guess next up is calling him names.
How is it weird? Ole is at the helm 4 months yet people already want him out.that's a weird statement to make considering most of this forum have wanted Poch for ages now. Even when Solskjaer was hired a lot of people (me included) said we should only do it because we can't get Poch. I mean in a poll back after Mourinho was sacked he was the overwhelming first pick.
I read that Pochettino might not be willing to stay if he wins the CL. Let's hope Spurs win and we get to sign Poch.
I'm not talking about Ole, I'm talking about Poch. "Shiny new toy" implies that people only want him now because of what he just did, that he's some new option that came from nowhere, when that's not true because a lot of the Caf have wanted Poch for years now and he was the #1 choice to be manager before we hired Ole.How is it weird? Ole is at the helm 4 months yet people already want him out.
Considering they were pretty much dead in the water after 3 group games, thats an amazing feat by Spurs and Poch.
@balaks @SquishyMcSquish @africanspur @InLevyITrust and anyone else that's not @GlastonSpur and supports Spurs congrats and enjoy. Just kidding you too Glaston
Amazing performance and comeback.
No, just bash and joke about Ole as much as you all want.I'm not talking about Ole, I'm talking about Poch. "Shiny new toy" implies that people only want him now because of what he just did, that he's some new option that came from nowhere, when that's not true because a lot of the Caf have wanted Poch for years now and he was the #1 choice to be manager before we hired Ole.
And if people wanted him before we got Ole then why wouldn't they still want him now? Are they supposed to change their mind because Ole's been here for four months and done a pretty poor/average job (depending on how you look at it)?
Oh man you got me good there.No, just bash and joke about Ole as much as you all want.
That wasn't my intention. If you want to make a meal out of all this I'm not your man.Oh man you got me good there.
The arrogance of some United fans here is outstanding.Does he look or sound like a manager who is about to jump ship or longing to get out of Tottenham?
The arrogance of some United fans here is outstanding.
Poch is in the best possible place for him. He's building something great there, unless Levy's being an idiot, he's there to stay.
Question to you though, you think Levy will see this and think Poch could compete with little budget and not properly backed him? I mean, you've got to reinforce properly next season. There's little chance you can repeat this season achievement without proper transfers
Were in trouble though aren't we? All our rivals snapping up top managers while we flounder from one to the next. Ole's early run was fantastic but he needs to be at this high a level for him to be the right manager. That's the problem. Nobody knows what his level is.
But very well done Pochettino. His work at Spurs deserves a big trophy. Sadly he'll be up against a better team in the final that has spend enormously.
Yeah, gonna be an interesting summer for you this year.As my name suggests, I love what Levy has done for us in his time, but yeah he needs to back Poch this summer and back him considerably. We need a good ballplaying CM and need possibly 2 new fullbacks. We have missed Dembele massively since he left.
Yeah, gonna be an interesting summer for you this year.
It should be a no brainer that no matter how the final goes, Levy's gotta bring out that check book for Poch.
Also, I'm gonna be a Spurs fan at 1 June, please don't screw this up!
Also the same league where Brooks scored 3 goals last season. Football isn't linear.In the championship ie the same league that made sessegnon look like Messi
Yeah, I was referring to City, Liverpool and Spurs to be honest who all have fantastic managers any team would love to have. Emery has better than expected this season but the jury is out on him. Haven't found Sarri particularly impressive but Chelsea are an enigma of a club in this regard. They're swift enough with managerial changes to land on one that works every three years.Not all our rivals. Big doubts over Sarri and Emery still. At the end of the day, there aren’t any sure things like Klopp and Guardiola out there right now. Pocchetino the next best thing but he’s staying put. So I’m happy enough to take a different approach to what’s tried and failed for us three times already.
As my name suggests, I love what Levy has done for us in his time, but yeah he needs to back Poch this summer and back him considerably. We need a good ballplaying CM and need possibly 2 new fullbacks. We have missed Dembele massively since he left.
He's a manager you can plan long term with and know he will make a success of it, very few managers can do that these days and they are hard to come and he has done all that on a shoe string budget as wellHe will be there for a while Id imagine, his whole 'Spurs project', heard a rumour Levy even got his input on stadium designs and what Poch wanted from the new stadium. He has total authority over the football aspect about who stays and who goes which I imagine is a big draw for any manager. Once Pochettino makes a decision you are out, that is it, you are out. None of this player power diva rubbish, and 'investment player' nonsense.
He was absolutely ruthless cleaning out Spurs when he arrived, including the captain at the time and Spurs star player Adebayor, all out the door.
Id like to add as an edit the board are absolutely mental if they do not go out and seriously back Pochettino now. With every fecking penny they can scrape together.
He will be there for a while Id imagine, his whole 'Spurs project', heard a rumour Levy even got his input on stadium designs and what Poch wanted from the new stadium. He has total authority over the football aspect about who stays and who goes which I imagine is a big draw for any manager. Once Pochettino makes a decision you are out, that is it, you are out. None of this player power diva rubbish, and 'investment player' nonsense.
He was absolutely ruthless cleaning out Spurs when he arrived, including the captain at the time and Spurs star player Adebayor, all out the door.
Id like to add as an edit the board are absolutely mental if they do not go out and seriously back Pochettino now. With every fecking penny they can scrape together.
I agree with most of it but we did see the improvements in the initial run. In his interview with Neville he said they started focusing on results when they were in race for top 4. Actually that's a good interview where he says how the things are.
At least for me, the conclusions from first 4 months is
- We changed the style and worked hard as a team in the initial run. (Made more sprints than opponents)
- Fitness caught up (Solskjaer - Of course the fitness levels are not good enough for me. Maybe we have been caught up with that respect and pre-season is going to be a big mark for me and for all of us.)
- We were in race for top 4, so focus shifted to results, coincided with lot of injuries because of high work rate. (Again this is the team that was in 20th position in work rate and IIRC 19th this season). Also this was the time when games came thick and fast.
- re progress, this is why I believe in Ole. He has all the right ideas, that working on fitness, playing with intensity, recruiting players who wants to be here rather than who wants just 10-20% pay hike.
If he can execute his ideas is left to see. For the first time since SAF I believe we have manager who has right ideas.
I believe people think we are just making excuse for Ole talking about fitness but they refuse to read the articles on Conte, Poch's preseason preparation or players who talks about how improved fitness helped them to play better. Look at the intensity with which Liverpool and Spurs play, no wonder teams struggle to cope with them.
Also the same league where Brooks scored 3 goals last season. Football isn't linear.
He's through to the Champions League final mate, it could be with Burton Albion for all he cares.Why do some, not all mind, think it would just be that easy to hire Poch? I’m not trying to be a clever dick BTW, but did you see the guys emotion at the end of the game last night?
He's through to the Champions League final mate, it could be with Burton Albion for all he cares.
Plus, he's crying thinking of the new gaff he's gonna buy his family with the cold hard cash
It's a mansion in Cheshire or a studio in HampsteadOf course how silly of me . I suppose this new gaff will be in Manchester, you know cause he is dying to move up north.
Why do some, not all mind, think it would just be that easy to hire Poch? I’m not trying to be a clever dick BTW, but did you see the guys emotion at the end of the game last night?
Who is in denial ? We all know things aren't great at United but there's countless threads on this. What is happening now on here is people are spending their misery.It’s sort of the overriding theme and reality of the moment. It would be much weirder if everyone here was in denial.
Ah right, because you have to become a world beater to progress as a footballer. 20 of Salah's 22 goals came against teams outside the top 6 too, I suppose they don't count either.You mean that world beater who scored 7 goals in 29 games this season? 6 of those goals came against sides like Brighton (3), Fulham, Watford and Bournemouth. Serious business.
20 is a lot more than 7Ah right, because you have to become a world beater to progress as a footballer. 20 of Salah's 22 goals came against teams outside the top 6 too, I suppose they don't count either.
Thanks for the maths lesson chief20 is a lot more than 7
Ah right, because you have to become a world beater to progress as a footballer. 20 of Salah's 22 goals came against teams outside the top 6 too, I suppose they don't count either.
20 is a lot more than 7