So you still think that he would refuse United? Double salary, biggest club in England and one of the biggest in the world, amazing transfer budget, good squad to start? What do you expect to hear from him? I want to go? Of course that he will say all those nice things.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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Well, if he wanted to go to United, why didn't he? You can't keep a manager who wants out, it's not practical. And don't tell me that United preferred to appoint Ole over Pochettino, because it beggars belief.
No, the obvious truth is that Pochettino preferred to stay at Spurs .. for many good reasons that don't really need spelling out.
It's this, we are that stupid no doubt at all, Ed just thought he'd struck gold with Ole, got wrapped up in at all, and couldn't wait to get he contract out, if reports are true he had offered it to him after about 5-6 wins.
I'd wager we didn't get past the public courting of Poch, so we probably have no idea whether he'd have been up for it, but the fact Poch is so non comital gives me hope.
Hiring him in the middle of the season wasn't an option. For us, for him, for Spurs.
My guess is that we hired caretaker manager just because of that. To hire Poch when season ends. But Ole had great run, fans were delighted, he was much cheaper option and Ed decided to sign Ole.
Pochettino, in January of this year: "I hope, or I wish to be here 20 years, and decide to leave or to finish my career here. I am so focused here, and want to help the club to achieve what the club want to be in history … It would be fantastic. I am so happy to be here. I am so happy to work in that pressure. Why not?"
Non-commital?
Just quick examples.
Coutinho; i am so happy in Liverpool. Transfer request in a few months.
Pogba; Turin is my home. Goes in United after two weeks.
Possible to pull out plently of quotes that indicate otherwise..
Anyway he's there now, & likely to be for a while yet, so you don't need to convince me.
Or when Delph promised he'd be at Villa in the coming season, & joined Man City less than a week later.
Please Mr.Pochettino win the CL because you are managing a decent club, not a scummy one.
Even if Ole won every game of the season he should still have not been given the job. Poch fulfills all the long terms aspirations we need In a manager.
1.He works cohesively with a DOF so he's experienced in working under an effective structure.
2. Is very astute with limited resources having shown his pedigree at Southampton and a skint spurs (right up the Glazer's street).
3. Has developed and promoted youth Winks, Alli, Kane, Walker peters, Son etc. He's also nurtured the likes of Eriksen who has improved under his reign. Just look at how many players we have purchased who are useless (Fred, baily, Matic, Sanchez, Mhiki, Depay) and contrast it to the influence of your average spurs singing.
4. Will to win, his post match interviews after final losses has exemplified his frustration at Tottenham's capabilities, he's questioned the club's ambitions etc because they are limitations to what he can potentially achieve.
I could go on but these are long term aspirations that we should have targeted vs the quick hire and fire policy we are witnessing under Solskjaer. The news coming out of the club is that we will not have a DOF but some watered down role to probably appease the media and public. The structure of this club will not change under Solskjaer, we will put all our eggs in the basket for the managers proposals and what if Ole fails to meet expectations? We are then left with a squad that the next manager will deem incompetent and be in this constant phase of rebuilding.
Woodward and the Glazer's shouldn't have hired a manager until a DOF was appointed.
1.He works cohesively with a DOF so he's experienced in working under an effective structure.
2. Is very astute with limited resources having shown his pedigree at Southampton and a skint spurs (right up the Glazer's street).
3. Has developed and promoted youth Winks, Alli, Kane, Walker peters, Son etc. He's also nurtured the likes of Eriksen who has improved under his reign. Just look at how many players we have purchased who are useless (Fred, baily, Matic, Sanchez, Mhiki, Depay) and contrast it to the influence of your average spurs singing.
4. Will to win, his post match interviews after final losses has exemplified his frustration at Tottenham's capabilities, he's questioned the club's ambitions etc because they are limitations to what he can potentially achieve.
I could go on but these are long term aspirations that we should have targeted vs the quick hire and fire policy we are witnessing under Solskjaer. The news coming out of the club is that we will not have a DOF but some watered down role to probably appease the media and public. The structure of this club will not change under Solskjaer, we will put all our eggs in the basket for the managers proposals and what if Ole fails to meet expectations? We are then left with a squad that the next manager will deem incompetent and be in this constant phase of rebuilding.
Woodward and the Glazer's shouldn't have hired a manager until a DOF was appointed.
Im not sure but some fellow United supporters cannot seem to fathom that he is invested in a project at Spurs. He was always going to lead Spurs into the new stadium I felt, and he recently signed a lengthy contract. This is a relatively clear indication he intends to be invested in said project for the foreseeable future, just as Eriksen not signing a new contract is a good indicator he is likely to depart.
Of course Coutinho would jump at the chance to play for Barca. But United are not Barca, and Pochettino, having already rebuffed RM in the summer, would hardly have been champing at the bit to move to United.
Pogba (unlike Pochettino) had just not signed a new 5 year contract.
You have zero (as in absolutely feck all) proof that Pochettino has ever turned down anyone let alone Real Madrid or Man Utd
What's far more likely is he signed his new contract before anyone even knew about Zidane's intention to quit Real so then financially was never an option for them (because that is factually the timeline of events) and as for us given the form of the side after Ole came in our percieved interest never got out of the leak it to the press we'd possibly like him gear
IMO that's because some United fans are living in the past and refuse to see that Spurs are no longer some middle-size club from whom they can poach at will. They still hark back to Berbatov, but that was more than a decade ago, before United's decline.
And now Spurs are in the top 10 of clubs globally income-wise, with a new stadium and new training centre. Times have changed.
You may be right about Eriksen, but we shall see.
Before signing the new contract Pochettino could have waited a matter of mere days - before the CL final - to see if RM would lose and then see if Zidane was sacked as a result.
He didn't wait.
There's none so blind as those who just will not see. And there are no United fans more blind than those stuck in the past, as convinced as ever of United's continuing irresistible lure despite the obvious evidence to the contrary.
So not waiting to see if hypothetically a club legend who's delivered back to back UCL's may or may not be sacked is him turning down Real Madrid?
In that case I turned down Natalie Dormer when I married my wife as hypothetically I'm never going to meet Natalie Dormer
Real Madrid sack managers on a regular basis, in case you hadn't noticed, including for failing to win the CL in any given season.
They do but they were heavy favourites going into the game so the odds against them both loosing that final and then sacking Zidane were heavily against
Any which way you want to swing it (and we all know you'll swing it any way in which it fits your little delusion) Poch signing a new deal with Spurs was in no way him turning down Real Madrid as for him to have turned down Real Madrid they would have had to actually make him an offer an offer you have no proof ever happened (because it didn't)
Spurs got lucky when they got Poch. Wasn't Levy after LVG when Woodward lured him to Old trafford with his Disneyland themed presentation. Had united not done that, Poch might still be at Southampton. He is a fine manager and he was doing a good job even at Southampton with whatever resources he had. His side were always difficult to beat and with better quality team at Spurs, he has really flourished and receiving accolades he deserves.
I am pretty sure had he made switch to United this summer, he would have brought United back on track in a year or two.
As for Ole, you cannot associate his teams with particular style of play. Like Klopp's gegenpressing or Pep's possession based football, do we know how Ole's team likes to plays? Ole is a good guy, understands the club, says right things but can he build the team from scratch and make united competitive again, only time will tell.
I am pretty sure had he made switch to United this summer, he would have brought United back on track in a year or two.
As for Ole, you cannot associate his teams with particular style of play. Like Klopp's gegenpressing or Pep's possession based football, do we know how Ole's team likes to plays? Ole is a good guy, understands the club, says right things but can he build the team from scratch and make united competitive again, only time will tell.
Poch turned them down privately before on more than one occasion as have many managers. That's not to say that he won't take the job one day but I don't get why people can't accept that Poch is invested in a project and knows he isn't ready to move yet, if Pochettino thought that it would have been a realistic option of going to Real or if he was simply happy to leave Spurs for pastures new he wouldn't have a) committed to Spurs and b) signed a 5 year deal.
I don't understand why people can't accept that little old Spurs might have something going for them and some managers show a bit of loyalty?
I don't understand why people can't accept that little old Spurs might have something going for them and some managers show a bit of loyalty?
The Man Utd way...... or he wants to at least.
I’m not saying he was offered the Real job but if you honestly think clubs just offer contracts and jobs officially, without doing a little homework (tapping up), you are a bit niave. Perez is a fan of Poch there is no way he wouldn’t have tested the water.
Also Alex having lunch with a Poch, the the subject of Poch being a possible candidate for the United job? Really?
No one has officially made and offer for Kane even after his form in recent years? Does that mean no one wants him or more than likely he has said at this point in time hole isn’t interested in a move.
that sounds nice. Didn't Dalglish say something similar when he took over Liverpool in 2011/12?? and we all know how it ended. the fact is game has changed a lot and imho United definitely need a proper football vision and a structure to bring it to reality. I feel the reason most of united supporters are frustrated at the moment because they do not see how Ole wants team to play. The season Klopp took over Liverpool, our squad was worst than what you guys have at the moment but we could see instantly how Klopp wanted us to play and it resonated with most of us and that's why he gets our support despite not winning any trophy so far. The same goes for Pep. Everyone was laughing at him in his first season but now City has one of the best teams premier league has seen.
Poch would have been right guy but I dont think he'll leave Spurs unless Levy doesnt invest in the team. Eric ten hag would be an interesting choice but let him spend one more year at Ajax. Meanwhile, we'll come to know how good/not so good Ole is at team management.
You better go through Mauricio or I'll call you a cnut otherwise.
So you agree that Poch has turned down both Madrid and United then?
So glad this debate has fired again.
United fans: Poch would leave United for a big club
Spurs fans: No he wouldn't!
United fans: Oh yes he would!
Spurs fans: OH NO HE WOUUULDN'T.
Rinse and repeat till somebody gets bored.
United fans: Poch would leave United for a big club
Spurs fans: No he wouldn't!
United fans: Oh yes he would!
Spurs fans: OH NO HE WOUUULDN'T.
Rinse and repeat till somebody gets bored.
This thread today around 11pm will be fun.
Typical response from you, I have no idea but there is clear evidence both clubs were keen on him at a time. Why would they not be interested in him? I have no idea if he turned either down. Your a great one for outing words in people’s mouths.
Excuse me? You're siding with a person who straight up has said he turned down Real Madrid when he signed his new contract so you either agree with him or I'm not sure why you're getting involved?
I’m sidin with who? How old are you? I’m saying there was clear interest from Madrid, the media was all over it, I don’t think any formal offer was made but they are bound to have contacted Poch.
I’m getting involved because it’s a public forum. Your only rebuttal is “Spurs are shit, of course Poch would want to leave”. Which is simply your opinion, nothing more.
I've never said anything of the sort so at this point I think you should remove yourself from the situation because you've obviously got the entire wrong end of the stick
Ole took over a Molde that in the five seasons before him had finished 14th (relegated), 1st (in second tier), 9th, 2nd and finally 11th, and you claimed he took over a "top team" and refused to accept that they could be labeled a mid-table club (because clearly that 2nd place finish represented the norm, and all the shite finishes surrounding it were the outliers). Now you claim Poch, who took over a team that had qualified for Europe five seasons running and were very much top 4 challengers, took over a mid-table team.
You know how to twist the truth to suit your narrative, I'll give you that.
This thread is going to go mental tonight when Spurs knock City out.
Par for the course, when Spurs gets knocked out it's the luck of a cup game, but you know damn well that he'll be hailed as a genius if he beats City.
It would be stupid not to call him genius if he beats City.
Well yes only an idiot would not praise him highly for knocking out City. My point was that there is a clear double standard, eg. when he loses its not his fault when he wins he's the driving force.
Expecting Spurs to beat City tonight then lose to them in the league. Pep goes ape shit in the CL latter stages for some reason, starts tinkering with his lineup and formation for no reason.
Molde has always been recognized as one of the bigger clubs in Norway in the past few decade. That 2nd place finish is indicative that they were capable of winning the league. Regardless, managing in the Norwegian league and in an elite league is completely different and something that I would not try and compare with regards to potential success of managers coming from similar league. Poch took over a team that struggled to get into champions league and had some mental issues when competing against top teams. I believe at that time Arsenal fans would mock them often because they didn’t see them as a threat. Now the story is different and Spurs has been in champions league, not mid table Europa league more often than not. While also stabilizing their financial and playing attractive football. Only those who don’t understand football do not see the improvement pochettino has made to this Spurs side.
Without Kane or Ali? I doubt it unless Manchester City shite themselves. Manchester City are the favorite and like Barcelona are a different beast at home. If Spurs had a two goal led, they had a chance, but a one goal led is easy for a team like Manchester city under the best manager in football today, Pep Guardiola to turn around
I'm actually expecting the opposite.. right now when predicting football, i just try to imagine the worst scenario for united fans, it usually comes true