A discussion about Paul Ince

He did play in Serie A and had a good spell there and was also arguably the best player at Euro 96. I think the fact the richest league in the world at the time and one of its biggest clubs spent big on Ince says enough. One of the most under rated English players of all time in my opinion...he was a better player than Carrick let alone the other English players you mention, utter nonsense

Yeah, that post read like the ill informed ramblings of some kid with no context, looked at Ince's Wiki and judged on that.

Ince was an excellent player, probably better than Keane for Utd in the time they shared together, and then did very well for Inter, when it was the best league in the world.
 
Always felt Ince has tended to be fragile and insecure rather than arrogant.

When Ole was putting together a record breaking run, including making history by overturning the first leg defeat vs PSG, Ince was on tv saying that he would've had the same results as Ole because the players just needed a different voice. That came across as arrogant rather than insecure. He could've just praised Ole instead of making it about himself.
 
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When he joined the club I wasn't convinced, we'd had a load of midfield journeymen play for us and wither in the shadow of Robson's reputation and legacy. To be fair to him he developed as a player and was one of the ones that channelled the disappointment of losing the league title to Leeds into the determination and tenacity that finally brought the title back to us. I always felt the whole "guvnor" thing was him stamping his London identity on the club rather than him being too big an ego. I ran into him years ago in Macclesfield and he was a normal kind of guy.

I can see that his negotiation for a new 4 year contract probably came 1 year too late...he had a dip in form just as Roy and Nicky were lengthening their stride and starting to look like world-beaters. United had never really had the option to "cash in" on a player since they sold Hughes to Barca, so I can see that transfer fee being an influential factor.

At the time I was most concerned with how we would replace Hughes (given our perennial cheapness on strikers) and my favourite player at the time...Kanchelskis. I felt we had ready made replacements for Ince, which is possibly a bit harsh. The Liverpool goal celebration was a bit much but I can see how he let his personal anger influence that and consider it water under the bridge, given the series of fraudulent midfielders we have had at the club for the last decade. He was a great player for the club and was part of a story that turned the club into a professional winning outfit.

That's a great post
 
Easily my favourite team of Fergies that period. Could play or mix it up.
It was a great time and a great team; we had some brilliant players and some real fighters, like Steve Bruce, Ince, Gary Pallister, Denis Irwin soon to be joined by Roy Keane with the likes of Giggs and Sharp coming through. I dont think I thought we would ever lose, though of course we did, such was the spirit in the team. There were no prima donnas, no posers and if any player was seen not be giving his all and more Bruce, Schmeical or Ince were in his face. And from these great players United evolved into a phenomenon.
 
When Ole was putting together a record breaking run, including making history by overturning the first leg defeat vs PSG, Ince was on tv saying that he would've had the same results as Ole because the players just needed a different voice. That came across as arrogant rather than insecure. He could've just praised Ole instead of making it about himself.
For me, when a player leaves United he's history, I dont hate players who want to go but, except in those cases where one returns to the club in another capacity, I have no interest in them. There is one incident though regarding my all time favourite Denis Law who was lied to by Tommy Docherty regarding his position and future at United and given a "free" to Manchester City behind his back. Denis didnt want to go but in those days players did as they were told. Denis played his last ever game in England against United and scored in front of the Stretford End but, much to his credit, he did not celebrate in any way at all, in fact he was despondent and left the pitch soon after. And no, his goal did not send us down, that was decided by other results that afternoon. A pitch invasion followed, much to the clubs shame, and I and some of my mates nearly got caught up in it!
 
Ince was superb for United. He stepped up to become the main man when Robbo was starting to fade, and the fact Keane speaks highly of him should tell you all you need to know. The celebration with Liverpool was disappointing but I viewed it more aimed at Fergie than the club. In any case, it doesn’t outweigh his contribution to the first great United side that I had the privilege of watching.
 
If he came out and renounced his time at Liverpool and said it was a huge mistake that he'd regret for the rest of his life, I'd almost consider forgiving him.

Was a great player for the club, mind. Inter was my Italian club at the time (don't really follow Italian football much now) so I had mixed feelings - sorry to see him leave United but excited by him joining Inter. But I knew if Fergie was getting rid of a player, there must be a good reason!

I was more gutted seeing Kanchelskis leave!
 
Will always be a Judas now he's a manager he is a Judas who signed Andy Carroll
 
I can't imagine anyone could argue this?
Not with Shearer in peak form and Gazza having wonderful moments too.

Yes Gascogine had wonderful moments in his last hurrah. Shearer wasnt in peak form, he was actually questioned whether he should even be starting before the tournament as he hadnt scored for England for a while...he had a very good tournament yes....but Ince was our best player in tha tournament in my opinion, I woul dsay only Moller was better than him for anybody.
 
Wasn’t bothered by him leaving as Keane was beginning to come into his own

Hughes was gutted as he was a boyhood hero

Kanchelskis also gutted because I didn’t know at the time how he’d turn out
 
Yes Gascogine had wonderful moments in his last hurrah. Shearer wasnt in peak form, he was actually questioned whether he should even be starting before the tournament as he hadnt scored for England for a while...he had a very good tournament yes....but Ince was our best player in tha tournament in my opinion, I woul dsay only Moller was better than him for anybody.

Shearer had literally just come into Euro 96 off his peak season.
37 goals in 48 games. His lifetime best.
 
These quotes are threadworthy for the fact Ince has been washed from our history some what because of a label put on him, which I personally believe left him so embittered, he was prepared to join our most hated enemy out of spite/rebuttal. I‘ve been on the caf for quite some time, but can’t recall a time Ince was discussed, in such disgrace is he. What many who only know of the taint won’t know is that he was an exceptional player for us, and paired with another 2-way midfielder, about the optimum of how a proper CM duo play in a 4-4-2 where both can do everything to a level some way above standard. Ince could go or sit, cover or press, pass or receive and he had the bravery and conviction in his every action that both Robson and Keane are revered for to this very day. Any combination from the three of them was - or would be - exceptional. Ince has been washed from history as a whole; his career with England barely ever spoken about and it being a mortal sin to mention him in relation to United, so it was refreshing to see the quotes below:





They are the prompt for the thread, as it’s so rare to even see Ince’s name, unless to mock him in some manner. The power of influence great managers have with their words is no more in evidence than with Ince; perhaps the three next markers down or equivalent to how Ince‘s reputation was sullied evermore are: “he needs 5 chances to score”; “virus”; “he’s asked to leave the club” all phrases have immediate association and taint that never washed off, all of them are agenda (forgive me) driven and served their purpose with diabolical genius, as some never gave these players a chance again after those remarks.

Anyway, it’s neither here nor there what you think of Ince the person, but how should he be regarded as a Manchester United player? What he did whilst here, how should it be regarded, and where would you rank him as a player? Some in the Keane xi thread don’t seem to know that there isn’t any substantial dip in a 4-4-2 with Ince in it over Scholes; one gives you far superior ball distribution and attacking prowess, the other gives you balance, aggression, athleticism and the ability to contest for anything through the spine of the side; it really is apples to oranges and not an absurdity as some put forward.

If you are old enough to have seen Ince and are able to be objective, how do you rate him? Equally, if you’ve not seen him play, how has the player been framed in your mind’s eye?
I would say that he was great central midfielder. Not brilliant but great. He is not up there with Keane, Robson, Scholes but a step under. All around player and could play pretty much every role from defensive midfielder to attacking.
 
"Not a good team in the early 90s?" 1990/91- EUFA Cup Winners, EUFA Super Cup Winners, Football League Cup Winners, Runners up in First Division.

"Not a good team in the early 90s?" Were you living in a cave? 1990/91 - EUFA Super Cup Winners, European Cup Winners Cup Winners, First Division Runners up, Football League Cup Runners up. 1991/92 - First Division Champions, Football League Cup Winners. 1992/93 - Premier League Champions. 1993/94 - Premier League Champions, FA Cup Winners, Football League Cup Runners up. Add to these a couple of Charity Shield wins and I think you'll agree that in the early 90s we were a very good team.....and things only got better!
why are you using my name and posting shit I never said ?
 
Shearer had literally just come into Euro 96 off his peak season.
37 goals in 48 games. His lifetime best.

I am talking about his England form at the time....Euro 96 is an international tournament after all, so he wasnt in peak for at all for England
 
why are you using my name and posting shit I never said ?
Im not sure what happened here, I was replying to a post by somebody else and I just assumed my reply would come beneath his post. Sorry if I offended you, it was a genuine mistake.
 
He was brilliant for us. We might have kept him only we had signed Keane then butt and Scholes coming through. He done well at inter. He is obviously soured because of time at Liverpool I like his honesty when he scored vs us in 99 and celebrated and he said well they pay my wages now. However he does seem bitter about every thing. Seems to be in a midlife crisis since he left liverpool. Might just need a hug
 
Was one of my favourite players in Fergie's first great team, a world class midfielder.

Was gutted he alongside Hughes and Kanchelskis left that summer '95
 
Ten Hag just gave Ince a bottle of wine in the pre-match interview on Sky. :lol:
 
Incey isnt getting another job in football, so its really the only way he could share a bottle of wine with him.
 
Incey was a blood and guts midfielder, you knew what you was getting from him and in a time where hardmen operated in the centre of the park you needed this type of player, an equilzer to keep the opposition wise!

Proper grafter, wasn't too shabby in possession he kept it simple and could carry it on occasion and to be honest displayed some brilliant moments goal scoring wise which all great utd midfielders had in them.
 
Feck off kissing up to Erik you scouser
He can say what he wants about how he was forced out by Fergie and didn’t join Liverpool direct from Utd.

That is no excuse for how he celebrated in front of the Kop when he almost fecked up our Treble season.

That will never be forgotten!
 
Ince was an excellent player for us, great to watch and gave his all on the pitch. Like Stam I never believed Ferguson's reason for selling him.
 
He can say what he wants about how he was forced out by Fergie and didn’t join Liverpool direct from Utd.

That is no excuse for how he celebrated in front of the Kop when he almost fecked up our Treble season.

That will never be forgotten!
He didn't exactly have a great record of respecting previous clubs before we actually signed him.
 
He can say what he wants about how he was forced out by Fergie and didn’t join Liverpool direct from Utd.

That is no excuse for how he celebrated in front of the Kop when he almost fecked up our Treble season.

That will never be forgotten!

Yeah remember that well