90's Serie A - Draft Thread

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90's Serie A Draft- Thread

This thread is for picking the players for 90's Serie A Draft.

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Order of Picks:
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Discussion thread:
https://www.redcafe.net/f17/so-how-about-another-draft-358040/

Rules:
  • There will be 12 rounds of picks.
  • All players who have played at least 40 games in the Serie A since the beginning of 90/91 season to the end of 99/2000 season are eligible.
  • Only the performances of the players in Italy will matter. If a player who was world class in another league but failed to impact the Serie A will be judged as a failure.
  • Only the performances inside the time frame will be considered.
  • There will be 16 managers. The picks will take place in the order 1-16, then 16-1, then back from 1-16 and so on.
  • Everyone will have a maximum of 6 hours to pick the player. If you miss your turn, the next manager can go ahead and you can pick whenever you are back online. It is your job to PM the next manager in order to keep this going at a quick pace.*
  • When you pick a player, it is necessary to post a picture and preferably a small description.


*Time period has been changed to 6 hours from the third round.

So, let's start.
 
Zinedine Zidane.

One of the greatest players ever, and in IMO he played his best and most consistent football in Serie A.

Sorry, I can't post pictures.
 
Fecking boo hoo...

At this rate, I'd be left with the equivalent of David May as my best pick.
 
I have quickly come up with two different XIs in my preferred formation so hopefully I should get possibly four off this list on to my final selection.

There's going to be some head-scratching done in the final round or two of picks!
 
zlatan_Ish : 1. Maldini

Fergus' son : 1. Zidane

Lifaboy : 1. Van Basten

Anderson18 : 1.

MilesMUFC : 1.

Fergies Gum : 1.

rahim10 : 1.

EDogen : 1.

Brwned : 1.

Red head red : 1.

Fantech : 1.

Dannymc1309 : 1.

paceme : 1.

AldoRaine18 : 1.

nahealai : 1.

Isotope : 1.
 
Easy one. Ronaldo. The time at Inter can easily be counted as his peak. Peak Ronaldo is one of the best players to ever play the game.
 
And I allowed myself to hope he would slip to 5th! :wenger:

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European Footballer of the Year, World Soccer Player of the Year after captaining West Germany to victory in the 1990 World Cup and then named the first ever FIFA World Player of the Year while playing for Inter Milan in the early 90s.


zlatan_Ish : 1. Maldini

Fergus' son : 1. Zidane

Lifaboy : 1. Van Basten

Anderson18 : 1. Ronaldo

baconlars : 1. Matthäus

Fergies Gum : 1.

rahim10 : 1.

EDogen : 1.

Brwned : 1.

Red head red : 1.

Fantech : 1.

Dannymc1309 : 1.

paceme : 1.

AldoRaine18 : 1.

nahealai : 1.

Isotope : 1.
 
baconlars said:
And I allowed myself to hope he would slip to 5th! :wenger:

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European Footballer of the Year, World Soccer Player of the Year after captaining West Germany to victory in the 1990 World Cup and then named the first ever FIFA World Player of the Year while playing for Inter Milan in the early 90s.
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Only one of those awards is relevant to Matthaus at Inter in the 90s, the Ballon d'or was based on the 89/90 season (and of course of the World Cup) which doesn't count. Not that he isn't a great pick or anything but I think picking people like Matthaus, Ronaldo, Van Basten and Zidane is cheating a little, it's going for names over contribution throughout the decade. I suppose that's worth clearing up at the start.

Is Ronaldo the best striker in it despite only playing 1 full season? Does longevity count at all?
 
Brwned said:
Only one of those awards is relevant to Matthaus at Inter in the 90s, the Ballon d'or was based on the 89/90 season (and of course of the World Cup). Not that he isn't a great pick or anything but I think picking people like Matthaus, Ronaldo, Van Basten and Zidane is cheating a little, it's going for names over contribution throughout the decade. I suppose that's worth clearing up at the start.

Is Ronaldo the best striker in it despite only playing 1 full season? Does longevity count at all?
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If not we should start again because the first picks are mostly useless.
 
Brwned said:
Only one of those awards is relevant to Matthaus at Inter in the 90s, the Ballon d'or was based on the 89/90 season (and of course of the World Cup) which doesn't count. Not that he isn't a great pick or anything but I think picking people like Matthaus, Ronaldo, Van Basten and Zidane is cheating a little, it's going for names over contribution throughout the decade. I suppose that's worth clearing up at the start.

Is Ronaldo the best striker in it despite only playing 1 full season? Does longevity count at all?
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Zidane has 4 amazing years from 96-2000.

I think that's fine for a draft which takes into consideration a decade. Rules state atleast 40 appearances, Zidane certainly had 40 WC performances at the very least.

Longevity is a factor, but his does it come into play when deciding which team would beat which in a one off game?

'Peak during the 90's in Serie A' is what people should be considering IMO, and then if there's a particularly difficult match up where players can't be separated, then extra conditions such as longevity etc would come into play.
 
Anderson18 said:
If not we should start again because the first picks are mostly useless.
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They really aren't, Zidane was class for half the decade. Would you think Messi would be a useless pick in a 00s draft?

Peope thought we wouldn't have enough players to go around, now they are moaning about some of the greats, ballon dor winners fom that era being picked!
 
Brwned said:
Only one of those awards is relevant to Matthaus at Inter in the 90s, the Ballon d'or was based on the 89/90 season (and of course of the World Cup) which doesn't count. Not that he isn't a great pick or anything but I think picking people like Matthaus, Ronaldo, Van Basten and Zidane is cheating a little, it's going for names over contribution throughout the decade. I suppose that's worth clearing up at the start.

Is Ronaldo the best striker in it despite only playing 1 full season? Does longevity count at all?
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I realized he's a bit of a wild card. Still, Fifa World Player of the year for his 90/91 season, and that by a player who can perhaps play in a positions that isn't the strongest overall with regards to all the available players in the draft. I'll take it!

Regarding longevity, the rules did specify the players would be thought of as in their prime in the Serie during the allowed time period?

E.G. Maldini would be thought of as during is best season, rather than over the whole of the 90s.
 
Fergus' son said:
Zidane has 4 amazing years from 96-2000.

I think that's fine for a draft which takes into consideration a decade. Rules state atleast 40 appearances, Zidane certainly had 40 WC performances at the very least.

Longevity is a factor, but his does it come into play when deciding which team would beat which in a one off game?

'Peak during the 90's in Serie A' is what people should be considering IMO, and then if there's a particularly difficult match up where players can't be separated, then extra conditions such as longevity etc would come into play.
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Fair enough, can't disagree with any of that! Does that mean Ronaldo's one full season only really counts against him in a small way?
 
Brwned said:
Fair enough, can't disagree with any of that! Does that mean Ronaldo's one full season only really counts against him in a small way?
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All IMO of course, but to an extent, yes. Comes down to how you weigh things up, one truly amazing season vs a couple of great seasons for eg?

I think the most important thing is to have players that have had atleast 40 performances at their peak during the 90's.

I know it kind of seems like it makes longevity of players irrelevant but I think longevity and consistency can come into play when considering certain factors still, for eg Zlatanish can argue that Maldini has proven to be able to play against all styles of players in the draft, from VB to Ronaldo and do so well.
 
There are two things for every player being picked. His overall career peak and his peak during the 90s. Now, one can say that Ronaldo's best season was for Barca and not much to disagree in that. However, that alone doesn't make him a bad pick. What is more important in this draft is to look at his career in Italy and ask, was it good enough to compete against others who are being picked? Ronaldo, even when not at his career best, would still be better than most strikers who played in Italy during that time, not considering their longevity.

Longevity should be considered. But the balance is important. Everyone doesn't need to have 6-8 seasons in Italy during the 90s under his belt. If he faced enough quality oppositions and showed what he can do sufficient amount of times, it shouldn't be a problem. I don't know about Ronaldo, but Zidane for me as a good pick. I found him better at Juve than he was at Madrid.
 
Will be choosing Baggio. An icon of Italian football and for me, a true great of Italian football and world football.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
There are two things for every player being picked. His overall career peak and his peak during the 90s. Now, one can say that Ronaldo's best season was for Barca and not much to disagree in that. However, that alone doesn't make him a bad pick. What is more important in this draft is to look at his career in Italy and ask, was it good enough to compete against others who are being picked? Ronaldo, even when not at his career best, would still be better than most strikers who played in Italy during that time, not considering their longevity.

Longevity should be considered. But the balance is important. Everyone doesn't need to have 6-8 seasons in Italy during the 90s under his belt. If he faced enough quality oppositions and showed what he can do sufficient amount of times, it shouldn't be a problem. I don't know about Ronaldo, but Zidane for me as a good pick. I found him better at Juve than he was at Madrid.
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He was!

Ronaldo is a good pick too IMO. He scored 55 goals in around 90 games between 97 and 99' winning the ballon dor and WPOTY once, and coming second the other time. That's a decent peak there.

Also, it was injury that curtailed him, not actual poor form or inconsistency, which I believe would count against him more, as it would have been proven that he can go off the boil.
 
zlatan_Ish : 1. Maldini

Fergus' son : 1. Zidane

Lifaboy : 1. Van Basten

Anderson18 : 1. Ronaldo

baconlars : 1. Matthäus

Fergies Gum : 1. Baggio

rahim10 : 1.

Thisistheone : 1.

Brwned : 1.

Red head red : 1.

Fantech : 1.

Dannymc1309 : 1.

paceme : 1.

AldoRaine18 : 1.

nahealai : 1.

Isotope : 1.
 
Matheus best years were not in 90's.
He will certainly not be in my best xi of 90's Serie A
 
zlatan_ish said:
Matheus best years were not in 90's.
He will certainly not be in my best xi of 90's Serie A
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He won his awards in 90' and 92', it's fair to say he was still great in the 90's.

What might count against him is that he only had two seasons in Italy during the 90s.
 
You jammy git, baconlars! Last man to the party and getting a nice draft position.

The OP says our picks must have played at least 40 games in Serie A in the given timeframe, so Matthäus is a good pick on that rationale.
 
Fergus' son said:
He won his awards in 90' and 92', it's fair to say he was still great in the 90's.

What might count against him is that he only had two seasons in Italy during the 90s.
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90's award was based on 89-90 season and was not related to Serie A anyway

Also Van Basten was more of 80's than 90's. I am not sure of Zidane either. He had a slow start to his Juve career, even then he was inconsistent in the league, better performances in Europe than in the league.

They were forwards who had better decade than Ronaldo in 90's Serie A. I am not saying they are/were better than Ronaldo but they had better decade.
Again, this draft is ambiguous to me and really depends on voters perception. They will see the name Van basten, Mathaus rather than how really they performed within this time period. But it will be a great learning experience and I will definitely enjoy this draft.
 
zlatan_ish said:
They will see the name Van basten, Mathaus rather than how really they performed within this time period.
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I agree on this. That's my major concern really, basing a team around players who played consistently well over a prolonged period in Serie A at the time rather than the usual suspects, and voters will be swayed by the big names.

Anyway, it's all for fun and it's going to be a good draft I have no doubt.
 
zlatan_ish said:
90's award was based on 89-90 season and was not related to Serie A anyway

Also Van Basten was more of 80's than 90's. I am not sure of Zidane either. He had a slow start to his Juve career, even then he was inconsistent in the league, better performances in Europe than in the league.

They were forwards who had better decade than Ronaldo in 90's Serie A. I am not saying they are/were better than Ronaldo but they had better decade.
Again, this draft is ambiguous to me and really depends on voters perception. They will see the name Van basten, Mathaus rather than how really they performed within this time period. But it will be a great learning experience and I will definitely enjoy this draft.
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But it shows that Lothar was still at his very best in 1990-92, that's all that matters. Same with VB, during the early 90s he was still showing form fitting of the best player in the world, and that will be counted as his peak in the league during the timeframe.


Also, slow start to his Juve career? Rubbish, 3rd in the ballon dor in his first season as well as being voted best foreign player in Serie A, having won the Serie A. Runner up in the CL. 2nd season, he won the league and was runner up in CL and won the ballon dor. He was far more consistent for Juve than he was for Real. Why do you think RM broke the WR transfer fee for him?
 
nahealai said:
I agree on this. That's my major concern really, basing a team around players who played consistently well over a prolonged period in Serie A at the time rather than the usual suspects, and voters will be swayed by the big names.

Anyway, it's all for fun and it's going to be a good draft I have no doubt.
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It will be outlined in the OPs of games, 'peak of the player in Serie A', it cant get any clearer. Anyway, it will be up to the participants to point out the strengths and weaknesses of their and their opponents teams, as Zlatanish has already begun doing, by stretching the truth a great deal i must add, in order to assert that it is their team which is the best 'during their peak in Serie A'.
 
Fergus' son said:
But it shows that Lothar was still at his very best in 1990-92, that's all that matters. Same with VB, during the early 90s he was still showing form fitting of the best player in the world, and that will be counted as his peak in the league during the timeframe.


Also, slow start to his Juve career? Rubbish, 3rd in the ballon dor in his first season as well as being voted best foreign player in Serie A, having won the Serie A. Runner up in the CL. 2nd season, he won the league and was runner up in CL and won the ballon dor. He was far more consistent for Juve than he was for Real. Why do you think RM broke the WR transfer fee for him?
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Don't get me wrong. He is one of Juve's finest ever. But let's say 90's was not the Zidane's peak. He was really inconsistent for first two seasons in the league, his peak was after 99. That Ballon d'or was for France. He only won Serie A player of the year in 2001.
and Juve won the Serie As because they were the best team not because of Zidane tbh.
That cl runner up you are talking about, he really was poor in the final.
 
nahealai said:
You jammy git, baconlars! Last man to the party and getting a nice draft position.

The OP says our picks must have played at least 40 games in Serie A in the given timeframe, so Matheus is a good pick on that rationale.
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Hehe, I didn't mind it at all!

I'll admit, there is a tactical aspect and some cynicism regarding collecting votes in the pick of Matthäus.

However, we are making these teams to win the forum game and I still believe some people are underestimating Matthäus in his two seasons (in the 90s) for Inter. In addition the way I regard the whole pool of players, I think there are fewer players in the draft that can do what he can extremely well. Opposed to for example strikers, which there are A LOT of really great players available.
 
lifaboy said:
Based on what? Between 90-93 Van Basten score 68 goals in 103 goals for Milan, if you ask me? That's good.
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I didn't say Van Basten was poor in 90's. He is one of my favorite forwards ever. I just said Van basten played more in 80's than in 90's.

I am just pointing out to really clarify myself regarding draft. So, we can pick players even if their peak was not 90's and it was for short period instead of players who had better record in 90's.?

edit :Van Basten is a great pick though because he still had good goal scoring stats in early 90's
 
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