You're trying to defend the indefensible.
63% of Liverpool squad "asthmatic" - any substance to this article?
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You're trying to defend the indefensible.
United were top for twenty years, Liverpool have been top for a month. Not quite the comparison
I'd shit on the quality of the drugs if we were found to be using them
too true. Phil Jones: long term asthmatic sufferer On a more serious note - why is this not seriously investigated?
Although that's quite an understatement, I understand your point yes - but the "looking for reasons" started before we even won our first trophy under Klopp. Also on here, speculating that we were doping because we didn't get any injuries and could run forever. Without any substance or proof to it.
I’d say it has more to do with how much the same first 11 have played all season at a seemingly high intensity that’s raised the question, not you winning anything. As you say, it happened before you won the league
Yeah fair enough, that's true indeed. But it could be down to:
- not signing injury-prone players;
- very good conditioning (which Klopp is known for);
- a great medical staff (combined with the above);
- just pure dumb luck.
And in an "innocent until proven guilty" society I'd rather believe one of the above than the "they are doping" argument which doesn't have any substance (heh) to it so far.
Also, the "their first XI never get injured" is a bit overblown too. Alisson missed a third of the season with injuries last season. TAA is injured sometimes but it's just never serious. Gomez has had his big share of injuries. So have Oxlade-Chamberlain, Henderson, and Keita. It just catches the eye because Van Dijk and our front three are seemingly never injured (and even they are from time to time, it's just that they miss just one or two games in those cases).
It was nothing to do with doping though.
They were relegated as part of the match-fixing scandal.
Because it would bring the entire footballing world into disrepute, causing Fifa, UEFA etc to highlight why it has gone on and been allowed to go on,.
On a more serious note - why is this not seriously investigated?
If investigated and found to be true the organised football that we know would essentially be finished.
That's probably why it won't ever be investigated, a bit like that French doctors claim about Leicester, just swept under the rug.
The distance covered stay is very misleading, take Ozil for example, consistently at the top of the charts for Arsenal for distance covered per game.
Yet you wouldn't have thought so! Reason being, he takes every free kick and corner, he gets tracked when he runs for a corner, or when he jogs to take a free kick etc.
A better more rounded stat to look at would be sprints, this highlights a greater athletic interest rather than ambles around a pitch.
On a more serious note - why is this not seriously investigated?
Too much money in the game - if it was brought into disrepute, profits might suffer
Liverpool and City use PEDs. Strip them of the titles. Make us 2018 & 2020 champions. We deserve it
You are arguing without addressing the subject of the argument. Juventus were penalised for match fixing and bribery. Nothing to do with doping.
Liverpool alleged doping is a completely different story. I have no adequate knowledge in this specific area and can't form any strong opinion. Until there is more reliable information about all teams, it just seems like gossip. If, however, it is true, shame on them. I didn't need another reason to dislike them though.
If both of you don't know the story of Juventus and their doping history then it's there to be seen by everyone who wants to see it.
Yeah, still a shocker though. Allegations have been made at various stages and various teams. Yet....zip.
nah, they are just picking up the accent
Absolutely - I image loads of clubs are at it. Probably all, in one form or another
Is the article actually true? How does the author know its 63%?
The thing with doping is that there is a massive grey area because where does it start? Aren't IV injections legal for example?
Anyway anybody who believes that if there is doping in football, that only a select few teams (e.g. teams I hate and/or are currently successful) are doing it is living in fantasy land.
Anyway anybody who believes that if there is doping in football, that only a select few teams (e.g. teams I hate and/or are currently successful) are doing it is living in fantasy land.
Yep. They should actually just come out and legalize it (obviously there’s a limit to “it”
) if that’s the case. Then pretending it doesn’t/can’t happen and thereby giving some teams an advantage over others. (Assuming that’s the case)The article says "according to sources close to the club".
Which means he (or the bloke who works in the Anfield car park) made it up.
Definitely a multitude of factors, I’m not saying it’s purely down to illegal or legal doping or doping at all.
If you are referring to the 96 scandal, it ended with the doctor being punished, not the club. That doesn't mean the club were innocent, it only means they weren't demoted. Phrase your arguments better.
He would have taken the number of players with Asthma, divided it by how many players in the squad, then multiplied by 100 to get a percentage. It’s easy when you know how!
Sorry, Been reading too much Sir Michael
I rest my case.
Yep. They should actually just come out and legalize it (obviously there’s a limit to “it”
But then they'd all use the legal stuff, and each club would push as far as they think they could get away with with the illegal stuff
Do you have comprehension difficulties? You wrote that Juventus were demoted to the 2nd division for doping:
And they weren't demoted for doping, ever. They were involved in a doping scandal in the 90s but were never punished for it (especially to the severity of demotion). They were also demoted in the 00s but for a completely different offense (match fixing and bribery).
If you can't form arguments correctly you will lose them more often than not.
Feck. Completely forgot about Juve's recent history. What a shady club.
Apparently, roughly one person in twelve has asthma (varying degrees of severity) in the UK. Which is considered a high percentage compared to - well - comparable countries.
So, at first glance (at least), 63% seems extremely odd.
ETA That said, I have heard people claim that top athletes have a tendency to develop asthma because - well - they're top athletes (I don't know what sort of science backs this up - but I presume it has something to do with pushing lung capacity to the max, etc.).
More:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/apr/29/elite-athletes-asthma-simon-yates-team-sky-swimmers
So, at first glance (at least), 63% seems extremely odd.
ETA That said, I have heard people claim that top athletes have a tendency to develop asthma because - well - they're top athletes (I don't know what sort of science backs this up - but I presume it has something to do with pushing lung capacity to the max, etc.).
More:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/apr/29/elite-athletes-asthma-simon-yates-team-sky-swimmers
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Then they really should just ramp up the testing, but nonetheless - valid pointBut then they'd all use the legal stuff, and each club would push as far as they think they could get away with with the illegal stuff
Well its clear now, Klopp needs access to HRT drugs for the team.
Cycling off it this year and the players are clearly struggling. Liverpool don't look as fit or as strong, and they've been plagued by injuries.
Reads like something Ranchero or Debilish would write.
Firstly Pool are not struggling and definitely not "plagued" by injuries. In other clubs, it is called a normal year.
Secondly, what has this to do with asthma?
Secondly, what has this to do with asthma?
If a sportsman has asthma, they can legally take Salbutamol which is a steroid.
Which is why Scholesy was so fecking stacked
They aren’t struggling but they’ve dropped levels massively from the previous 2 seasons.
They have had many players injured. Any LFC fan on this forum would be quick to list them.
So now they are not getting their stuff?
What do you mean? They're not taking it anymore? Any source to that claim? If they were ever on Salbutamol, why would that source have dried up?
They beat Aston Villa though? No need for drugs tonight, eh?