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63% of Liverpool squad "asthmatic" - any substance to this article?
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Also could all be total nonsense.
Could be but I'd be more inclined to believe elite athletes are doping than not. I find it naive in the extreme to think it's not going on.
As for this acquired asthma bit, I find it odd from a logical perspective. Now I may be missing something as this just occured to me but if your body reacts negatively to performing at an elite level and you develop asthma symptoms, which will go away if you stop training at that level, then to my mind that means your body isn't suited to it (much like injury prone players). You shouldn't be allowed take a drug so your body can cope with the level of performance you're putting it through.
Can't we have a league or some sort of tournament where all of the teams and their squad are doping. Give me the Super-Human League. Give the fans what they want.
Imagine it: you're 2-0 down, the manager calls for a quick break, and then the emergency syringe comes out to give our lot the boost they need.
Imagine it: you're 2-0 down, the manager calls for a quick break, and then the emergency syringe comes out to give our lot the boost they need.
heh!!!
dead!!
NFL?
Yup.
But why would a doctor get struck off from his profession and ruin any credibility of there wasn't some truth in the matter?
Seems strange to me.
And if it isn't total nonsense then there is no chance in hell that every other team (elite champions league level team) aren't also doping.
If people here honestly believe that Liverpool and City do it (because of the absolutely atrocious source in the OP) but United don't (because they are crap) they are delusional.
So this is the reason we’re so far behind Liverpool and City’s level right now, they’re on drugs and United aren’t?
As long as that diagnosis is correct, those clubs aren't doing anything wrong. They are just tending to their sickly players medical needs under the present rules and doping regulations. What’s out of the ordinary is that they have so many as stated 63% registered asthmatics. It's an objectively high number well above the 8-11% national average norm. In a squad of 25 they should have 3, and not more than half the squad. Maybe just bad luck.
Would be interesting to see how those numbers compare to other PL clubs rather than the nation as a whole. The fact that it’s not 100% means there is surely some basis for players being classed as asthmatic or not, but I’ve no doubt they’ll be using diagnostic measures with the widest possible net.
Would be nice to see those figures and compare.
Yeah and the source for that number is Backpagefootball.com (Who claim "a source close to the squad
) , why are you chosing to believe that?"According to a source close to the club, of 35 players 22 are asthmatic – 63% of the squad, over five times higher than the 12% UK average."
They also namedrop Cristiano Ronaldo (as well as Jamie Vardy, Leicester, Real Madrid , Manchester City, PSG and Bayern Munich).
If I claim United have 62% of the squad would you also believe it? You can call me Frontpagefootball.com if you like?
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It's a number that's being alleged by Backpagefootball.net , it's not a credible source. It's being treated credibly by people here because they want to believe it.
Here's my number for the united squad 62%, if you compare it to Liverpool it's pretty much the same.
Whatever numbers, it's not illegal, else it would be stopped. Would be nice to see official numbers as the topic itself is interesting. That article is a load of bs and hearsay btw, but the pubmed reports on peds are scientific in nature. It's a real thing and not illegal.Yeah and the source for that number is Backpagefootball.com (Who claim "a source close to the squad
If I claim United have 62% of the squad would you also believe it? You can call me Frontpagefootball.com if you like?
I didn't say it was illegal.
Most of the speculation here seems to focus on Liverpool whilst ignoring the fact that if they are doing it then pretty much every other top level club are doing it.
That was my only point, which you replied to with the 63% number (which is from the article that you state is rubbish).
The article also states
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Whataboutery
Bayern Munich and their “Healing Hans”, Juventus and their “system”, Paris Saint-Germain, RB Leipzig, Barcelona, Real Madrid and on and on. Yes, they’re also as clean as Peppa Pig’s boots after a day of muddy puddle jumping. Leipzig have an East German doping criminal in charge of their sports medicine. But don’t worry, he’s also worked with US athletes who have never tested positive.
Staying in Germany, Hans Muller Wohlfahrt and his injections have helped everyone from Bono (yes, U2’s Bono), Usain Bolt, Paula Radcliffe and a number of other dodgy characters across a range of sports. He was only recently binned for the second time from Bayern Munich, but his legacy lives on. He’d been kicked out before by Pep Guardiola who brought in his own gurus.
Juventus have a Sassi and no touch control from Italian Anti-Doping. Cristiano Ronaldo still cannot explain his change in physique which began in Spain and has been maintained admirably in Italy. "
So most are just cherry picking the information within the article to make it seem as if Liverpool are the rule breakers when the article is basically accusing all of the elite footballing sides.
So it's either nonsense (as the article is trash) or everyone is involved.
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@RacingClub There's nothing illegal about treating asthma, whereas injecting EPO, hormones etc thats another thing, it would be illegal and routinely tested and classed as pure doping since you add unnatural physiological functions. Taking legal PED'S are not illegal practice, treating asthma is legal. Not much else to say about it really. Good on them if they do, it's pragmatic and proactive to cover all angles and optimize.
Yeah, I agree with you. My point was made on the basis that the numbers were correct, rather than some kind of inside knowledge. It’s ok to discuss the meaning behind rumours without necessarily knowing whether the rumour itself is accurate. Jeez, this forum would have about 5% of its normal if everything had to be independently verified! Not thatthat would be a bad thing.
Exactly. I’d be amazed if this didn’t happen at every professional club. A discussion of what can be done that’s within the law but that maximises those tiny fractions that make all the difference.
I think it's great that RAWK are making fun of this thread because it just shows how far we've fallen and how far they've come. It's like the story of David and Goliath except David used to be dominant for a couple of decades and was only knocked off his perch because a Glaswegian was sent down the road to sort things out for Goliath. Then the Glaswegian had an argument with Goliath about a horse or something, and David decided that fat Spanish waiters and Andy Carroll type signings weren't a winning combination.
My point is this; keep reading this stuff all of you RAWK folk because, like a sleepy giant, next year is our year. I also want City to win the league because they're not a proper football team and nobody would care anyway.
My point is this; keep reading this stuff all of you RAWK folk because, like a sleepy giant, next year is our year. I also want City to win the league because they're not a proper football team and nobody would care anyway.
But I didn't question the legality or illegality of anything , just the credibility of the article which is your basis for questioning their asthma numbers vs the national population.
This is all just pure speculation based on an article which you have stated is "a bunch of BS and hearsay".
So all I'm really arguing with you about is the fact that you recognize that the source is bollox but choose to believe the 63% figure.
I don't really care about the fact that it's Liverpool that are the subject of the speculation , more the fact that the speculation (from an absolutely terrible source with no credibility) is being treated as fact. (If United were being accused of the same on other sites I would say the same)
The wider discussion around the legality/ illegalities aren't really what I'm arguing about , just the fact that if we are going to say that 63% of Liverpool's squad has asthma it should be from a source with some sort of credibility.
I'm basically just going along with what the title says, I don't believe there is any substance to the claim due to the source.
How would I know the medical and or scummy dealings of Liverpool? They run like the devil is chasing them so probably some truth behind ped rumors, can it be verified they are overly (63%) asthmatics? Who knows, not me at least.
Optimisation is happening for sure. Anything legal will be used probably.
Is there any evidence that WADA approved asthma medicine improves the performance of athletes without asthma?
I'm of the opinion that mass doping is hard to cover up as someone is bound to talk at some point. Unless there's a way for the players to have it without knowing, which can't be the case as it puts clubs into serious legal issues.
I think having elite managers is more likely the reason behind the success of City and Liverpool. Also we have zero evidence that anything fishy took place, so why are we accusing them really? because they're good?
I think having elite managers is more likely the reason behind the success of City and Liverpool. Also we have zero evidence that anything fishy took place, so why are we accusing them really? because they're good?
I said on Redcafe over a decade ago wait until Utd are unsuccessful, even a laughing stock, for a decade and then judge your fans' output like you've been judging us Pool fans.
Welcome to the future.
Were you never suspicious of David Beckham? I've heard here he ran a lot, his numbers were similar to Bernardo Silva's.
No he was just born lucky. Best looks, best legs, best wife, best football and best natural fitness. Pure jealousy from me.
Can I just say any man that wangles Peppa Pig jumping up and down in muddy puddles into a footie conversation should be nominated for post of the year!
Well done sir.
You are also spot on, everyone is doping.
They are on better drugs.
Our players are stoned. Their players are high.
Everybody’s on drugs.
Yes.
Salbutamol opens your bronchial passages so it will guarantee improved lung function in non-asthmatics.
And performance boost in large muscle groups
Yep a direct result of getting more air into your lungs is that more goodies get into your bloodstream to power those hard working muscles.
It's more to do with the systemic absorption of doses upwards 800microgram, and a direct synaptic effect from the adrenalinelike substance itself
That's a lot of puffs! I guess they would be taking it as pills or intravenously to get that kind of dosage. Can't imagine what that would be like.
4 puffs of a 'standard' inhaler to be exact and no more than 8 puffs1600microgram are allowed by wada within 24 hours.