5 in, 5 out?

Outs, In order of priority:
Maguire
DDG
Martial
McTom
DvB

Dishonourable mention for strapping greenwood onto a rocket and firing him into the sun

In:

No idea, what ever the gaffer wants.
 
Freak said:
Think it might be more than 5 in and 5 out personally.

Out:
1. Maguire
2. Henderson
3. McTominay
4. Lindelof
5. Elanga
6. Fred
7. Dalot

In:
1. Kane
2. Caicedo
3. Lavia
4. Kim Min Jae
5. Raya
6. Another defender on a free transfer
7. Sabitzer
8. Frimpong

Our squad options then:

Goalkeepers - Raya, De Gea, Butland, Heaton

Defenders - Varane, Martinez, Kim Min Jae, free signing defender

Fullbacks - Shaw, Malacia, AWB, Frimpong

Midfielders - Casemiro, Lavia, Caicedo, Sabitzer, Bruno, Eriksen

Forwards: - Kane, Martial, Rashford, Sancho, Antony, Garnacho, Pellistri
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We have to have 8 homegrown fans out of 25 squad players.
 
IN: Kane - OUT: Weghorst (I was against Kane but then saw our current stats thread. Changed my mind)

IN Neymar - OUT: Sancho (controversial but shouldn’t be really. Neymar brings chaos and set piece ability. He can help refine Antony’s attacking game and give us another option on the right or left for 2 years)

IN: Gravenberch - OUT: McTomminay

IN: Costa - OUT: De Gea

IN: Kim Min Jae - OUT Maguire

De Jong / Bellingham in a dream world but I don’t either will join.

I didn’t really count replacing Elanga, Jones or Baily etc. They will go anyways.
 
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Maguire, Martial, Sancho DVB and Mctom out.

Ramos, Caeicedo, Timber , Raya, Neymar in
 
kafta said:
The amount of players we can sell is insane.

The ones that are obvious are:

Bailly
Telles
Henerson
Williams
Elanga
VdB
Jones

I also think these should be sold to improve our first eleven / squad:

DDG
Maguire
McT
Martial

Sign:
First Choice Keeper
Third Choice CB
2 Central Midfielders
And a Striker

And now that ive written it down, i think i look like a lunatic. No way that much business gets done.
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We mostly think huge changes in the squad are disruptive because we have seen the problems it causes, like with Chelsea. I would argue that six of the first seven on the list have already left or are so injured/broken bringing them back would probably be more disruptive.

It is crazy to think if Garnacho and Rashford don't sign their contract offers we might have to sell them as well. Then DDG is out of contract and if he doesn't sign the new one he would be gone. Victor has spoken of wanting to play more and could ask to leave, Maguire could opt to end his humiliation and if we buy Frimpong as rumored one of Dalot or WB would also probably go.

McT is a voluntary sale if the right offer come in but he knows we are looking to bring in another CM and at that point he will want to move on if we have no plans to play him.

We are not fully in control of the scale of the exits and it could be a blood bath.

Thankfully we have a manager with a good record of finding replacements having been at a selling club.
 
Mainoldo said:
Out:

Henderson
Maguire
McTominay
AWB (If the manager wants him out)
Van De Beek

In:

Kane
Rabiot
Caciedo
Kim Min
Walker Peters
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Be very happy with that some good choices. Frimpong over Walker Peters for me. Raboit mum also very toxic. So would maybe go with the guy at Lyon Caqueret as an alternative plus he is younger.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
We mostly think huge changes in the squad are disruptive because we have seen the problems it causes, like with Chelsea. I would argue that six of the first seven on the list have already left or are so injured/broken bringing them back would probably be more disruptive.

It is crazy to think if Garnacho and Rashford don't sign their contract offers we might have to sell them as well. Then DDG is out of contract and if he doesn't sign the new one he would be gone. Victor has spoken of wanting to play more and could ask to leave, Maguire could opt to end his humiliation and if we buy Frimpong as rumored one of Dalot or WB would also probably go.

McT is a voluntary sale if the right offer come in but he knows we are looking to bring in another CM and at that point he will want to move on if we have no plans to play him.

We are not fully in control of the scale of the exits and it could be a blood bath.

Thankfully we have a manager with a good record of finding replacements having been at a selling club.
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If Rashford and Garnacho dont sign which could happen. Would anyone take a gamble on Ansu Fati from Barcalona. Few years back he was the next big thing.
 
If the Glazers are still here it will be 2 or 3 in.
We spent 200 + million last summer that can’t happen again, unless we have owner who doesn’t mind financing transfers out of there own pocket (something I’m not sure owners should do)
 
SinNombre said:
This feels like the summer to be decisive. How many players would you want us to bring in (teams always struggle when more than 5 players are required to be integrated) and how many would you sell not including players out of contract (like Jones or Axel) or loans like WW or frozen out like Greenwood/Brandon Williams.

I would imagine something like 5 in, 5 out should be the aim

GK out (ideally DDG takes a significant wage cut and we sell Henderson for 15-20m), GK in (-25m)

Maguire out (15-20m ), new CB in (someone like Kim-min Jae with a reasonable release clause) (-25m)

McT out (25m), marquee midfielder in (Caicedo seems realistic?) (-35m)

DVB out if he can recover from injury (5m?), cheap midfielder in (Sabitzer or Rabiot) (flat)

Elanga out (10-15m), new 9 in (Ramos or Kane?) (-70m)

If you bring Amad back, you likely have to let go of Sancho.
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Personally 5 out would be criminal....what about Bailly, Telles, Jones, Tuanzabe, Williams for starters, thats 5 for startes who are absolute deadwood in this squad so they would be the first five out, along with Henderson.

If we are signing 5 for me it would be a right back, centre back, central midfielder and two strikers, at the moment I would lean to:

Vanderson
Bella Kotchap
Caqueret
Hoijland
Vitor Roque

Thats being realistic spending wise and attainability to us signing all of them.

But if I was doing outs it woul dbe up to 14, though I think we will see about 6 of them go, 3 of them on loan and still 5 or so here next season, which will grow to ne 8/9 should go next summer.

I think being ruthless and decisive in getting rid of players is almost as important as our incomings, outside of striker signings anyway
 
Nytram Shakes said:
If the Glazers are still here it will be 2 or 3 in.
We spent 200 + million last summer that can’t happen again, unless we have owner who doesn’t mind financing transfers out of there own pocket (something I’m not sure owners should do)
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the biggest issue isnt even that we somewhat will need to balance the spending out, it is just the fact that it will take a while to sell the players, all the while we wait on certain targets. So either we will lose out on top targets or even if we get all our top targets (super unlikely) they wont be here early enough for EtH to really work with them during the summer.
 
SinNombre said:
This feels like the summer to be decisive. How many players would you want us to bring in (teams always struggle when more than 5 players are required to be integrated) and how many would you sell not including players out of contract (like Jones or Axel) or loans like WW or frozen out like Greenwood/Brandon Williams.

I would imagine something like 5 in, 5 out should be the aim

GK out (ideally DDG takes a significant wage cut and we sell Henderson for 15-20m), GK in (-25m)

Maguire out (15-20m ), new CB in (someone like Kim-min Jae with a reasonable release clause) (-25m)

McT out (25m), marquee midfielder in (Caicedo seems realistic?) (-35m)

DVB out if he can recover from injury (5m?), cheap midfielder in (Sabitzer or Rabiot) (flat)

Elanga out (10-15m), new 9 in (Ramos or Kane?) (-70m)

If you bring Amad back, you likely have to let go of Sancho.
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We should be able to sell 100m worth of players and buy about 250m worth. Who stays/goes/comes is anyone's guess.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
We mostly think huge changes in the squad are disruptive because we have seen the problems it causes, like with Chelsea. I would argue that six of the first seven on the list have already left or are so injured/broken bringing them back would probably be more disruptive.

It is crazy to think if Garnacho and Rashford don't sign their contract offers we might have to sell them as well. Then DDG is out of contract and if he doesn't sign the new one he would be gone. Victor has spoken of wanting to play more and could ask to leave, Maguire could opt to end his humiliation and if we buy Frimpong as rumored one of Dalot or WB would also probably go.

McT is a voluntary sale if the right offer come in but he knows we are looking to bring in another CM and at that point he will want to move on if we have no plans to play him.

We are not fully in control of the scale of the exits and it could be a blood bath.

Thankfully we have a manager with a good record of finding replacements having been at a selling club.
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Chelsea under Mourinho and CIty initially under Pep also had huge culls of players in the first coupld of seasons. People seem to point often at instances where it hasnt worked, forgetting that at times it has.

Obviously some of those players I wouldnt like to see go....however, personally there are a good 14/15 players I wouldnt be too bothered about seeing go from the dead wood like Bailly, Telles, Williams along with average players who havent really offered that much here though have if we are being honest like McFed, Henderson,Lindelof through to some big name players like Maguire and even Sancho possibly.

I think we have a large squad and there are a few good youngsters like Garnacho, Mainoo, Amad, Pellestri and Hannibal that are good enough ability wise for squad places at the least. I dont think we need anywhere near as players to come in as we do to go out, its only striker and second choice centre backs that need huge upgrades to our current options.

I genuinely think worst case both ends of the scale 14 could go and five coudl come in and our squad let alone first eleven would be better than it is now. For me 11/12 out and 6/7 in would be a perfect window if it was the right players both way and that wouldnt be as wholesale as it looks as it would probably only be four of the first eleven changing which is no more than we have seen this season really
 
Raoul said:
We should be able to sell 100m worth of players and buy about 250m worth. Who stays/goes/comes is anyone's guess.
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Those figure sound big, but I think if we did thngs correctly, both would actually be conservative....but could have said that for majority of the summers the last few years and it always feels for me that player numbers wise we only seem to do half of what we should be outwardly and its rarely players of value that though we are spending big money on players, we are hampered numbers wise, always feels 1/2 signings short to me not even contemplating the fact half of them wouldnt personally be my choice
 
Out:
Bailly 5m
Telles 5m
Maguire 35m
McTominay 25m
Elanga 20m

Total: 92m

In:
Kane 100m
Osimneh 120m
FdJ or equivalent* 85m
CB* 30m
GK* 15m

Total: 350m

Net spend: ~260m

*Haven't watched much football outside of the prem and CL, so don't really know what the equivalent of FdJ would be or who would be young CB or GK with lots of potential that could become a first team regular within a season or two. I also know this is FIFA transfer scenario, but it is doable.
 
Easy out's:

Henderson
Telles
Williams
Tuanzebe
Elanga
Bailly
Jones
Sabitzer
Greenwood
Weghorst

Hard out's:

Maguire
Martial
Sancho
De Gea
McTomminay
Fred

I doubt we'll ship that many players out but really, none of these players should play for United next season.
 
Good luck selling the likes of Maguire, Martial, Sancho etc. with the wages they are on. They are likely staying till their contracts end.
 
Pavl3n said:
Out:
Bailly 5m
Telles 5m
Maguire 35m
McTominay 25m
Elanga 20m

Total: 92m

In:
Kane 100m
Osimneh 120m
FdJ or equivalent* 85m
CB* 30m
GK* 15m

Total: 350m

Net spend: ~260m

*Haven't watched much football outside of the prem and CL, so don't really know what the equivalent of FdJ would be or who would be young CB or GK with lots of potential that could become a first team regular within a season or two. I also know this is FIFA transfer scenario, but it is doable.
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kane and Os
balaks said:
Good luck selling the likes of Maguire, Martial, Sancho etc. with the wages they are on. They are likely staying till their contracts end.
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balaks said:
Good luck selling the likes of Maguire, Martial, Sancho etc. with the wages they are on. They are likely staying till their contracts end.
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I reckon West Ham maybe Villa might take Maguire. The other two agree be very impossible to shift. Especially Martial with his injury record
 
The-Mezzala said:
kane and Os



I reckon West Ham maybe Villa might take Maguire. The other two agree be very impossible to shift. Especially Martial with his injury record
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My point is why would Maguire probably half his wages to go anywhere when he can sit on his arse and see out his contract? Same with all your other players you gave insane contracts to they simply will never get anywhere else.
 
Let’s be realistic.

In: Kim - Out: Maguire
In: Hojlund - Out: Sancho (loan + option to buy/sell)
In: Sabotzer - Out: Mctominay
In: Lavia - Out: VDB
In: keeper - Out: Henderson
 
I think Maguire will leave. I think he wants to play football, so he will push for a move and will consider reduced wages.

Martial - will have no options, anyway, so it doesn't matter what he thinks. Nobody is going to sign a crock like him.

Sancho - Not sure he is even all that bothered about football, so don't know whether he would be willing to drop wages. I still think there would be a lot of options for him in the market, though.


I could see the departures being Maguire, McTominay, De Beek, Sabitzer (if we are including loans) and Weghorst. I have an inkling that Rashford could possibly be on that list, also.
 
Lecland07 said:
I think Maguire will leave. I think he wants to play football, so he will push for a move and will consider reduced wages.

Martial - will have no options, anyway, so it doesn't matter what he thinks. Nobody is going to sign a crock like him.

Sancho - Not sure he is even all that bothered about football, so don't know whether he would be willing to drop wages. I still think there would be a lot of options for him in the market, though.


I could see the departures being Maguire, McTominay, De Beek, Sabitzer (if we are including loans) and Weghorst. I have an inkling that Rashford could possibly be on that list, also.
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Rashford won't be going anywhere
 
Maguire should definitely be shifted and I'm pretty sure he's not keen to warm the bench next season too. 15 starts (7 in the league) in 53 games is definitely not going to help him retain his England's starting spot, even if Southgate has a crush on him. The only issue here is that if he leaves, bringing a CB is our 3rd priority (imo) behind CM and ST and we might not have the funds or the time to bring in quality replacement. I know it's Barry Microwave Head, but he's a seasoned international defender after all.
 
SinNombre said:
This feels like the summer to be decisive. How many players would you want us to bring in (teams always struggle when more than 5 players are required to be integrated) and how many would you sell not including players out of contract (like Jones or Axel) or loans like WW or frozen out like Greenwood/Brandon Williams.

I would imagine something like 5 in, 5 out should be the aim

GK out (ideally DDG takes a significant wage cut and we sell Henderson for 15-20m), GK in (-25m)

Maguire out (15-20m ), new CB in (someone like Kim-min Jae with a reasonable release clause) (-25m)

McT out (25m), marquee midfielder in (Caicedo seems realistic?) (-35m)

DVB out if he can recover from injury (5m?), cheap midfielder in (Sabitzer or Rabiot) (flat)

Elanga out (10-15m), new 9 in (Ramos or Kane?) (-70m)

If you bring Amad back, you likely have to let go of Sancho.
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If we're talking ideally, then I think it's also De Gea out and we end up spending a good deal more than 25 m net. Don't understand your calculus on that point - if we sell Henderson for 15-20 (which I think is pessimistic as an evaluation), we're surely not going to spend so much on a backup that we end up at -25 m net?

Think we should get more for Maguire than 15-20m, if someone's interested enough to take him.

Don't think we need to replace DvdB - we'd be well covered in central midfield, and Eriksen and Amad can both backup Bruno at #10. Also don't think bringing Amad in requires letting Sancho go. But it is a question if we could or should do exactly that in any case.

On the other hand, at #9 and thinking ideally, it should also be Martial out and two 9s in.

Then there's RB, where you could also argue for the need for an upgrade.
 
the squad needs major surgery, its very poor for any sort of strength in depth

There is probably only a handful of players that deserve to be/are good enough to be at United

Below around the the first team that need to go/be upgraded ASAP

Maguire
Sancho
Martial
Weghorst
Fred
McT
Elanga
DDG

Cling ons or other types

Williams
Jones
Bailly
DVB
Henderson
Telles
MG
 
In - Raya
Out - Henderson

In - Frimpong
Out - AWB

In - Kim
Out - Maguire

In - Lavia/MacAllister
Out - Fred

In - Kane
Out - Martial (Weghorst return to sender)


Then there's Bailly, Telles, Williams, VDB, Elanga (and Greenwood) who all need to be jettisoned off the wage bill somehow or other.
 
In: 1x CF( Isimhen or Kane), 1xCM(Caicedo or Lavia), 1xCB in that order. keep Amad and Pellistri, promote Mengi and Mjebri
Out: Maguire, Martial, Jones, McT, Telles, Bailly, DvB, Williams, Elanga, Henderon,
Keep: DDG, Sancho, Sabitzer, Werghorst
 
i reckon we need Hojlund 55 mil, Costa 65 mil, lavia 40 mil, gabriel vaiga 35 mil,timber 35 mil, axel disasi 35 mil...Total 265 mil gross spend....Sell maguire,wan bissaka,Henderson,mctominay,elanga,van de beek, fred,brandon williams
 
On the reliance Qatar take over

In

Maignan
Min-Jae
Lavia
Caicedo
Osimhen

Out

De Gea
Dalot
Maguire
McTominay
Martial

Will admit my choices do lack a progressive CM but with De Jong literally playing Erik I'm unsure of suitable alternatives
 
Far more outs than ins

Telles
Williams
Bailly
Tuanzebe
Maguire
McTominay

loans sent back
Wout
Sabitzer
 
Out (as a minimum - has nothing to offer)
1. Jones
2. Tuanzebe
3. Maguire
4. Williams
5. Elanga

In
1. Diogo Costa (23)
2. Min-jae Kim (26)
3. Romeo Lavia (19)
4. Orkun Kokcu (22)
5. Rasmus Højlund (20)

Bonus
1. Release Sabitzer. Consider Rabiot as free agent
2. Release Weghorst. Consider Thuram as free agent
 
Only 5 out?

Outs: (there will be more than 5)
Maguire
Martial
Mctominay
De Gea
Bailly

In:
Kane
Neymar
De Jong
Timber
Costa

Assuming Qatar are the new owners.
 
Out - Bailly, Maguire, McTominay, Van de Beek/Telles (depending on Sabitzer loan's extension), Martial.
In - Min Jae, De Jong, Caicedo, Kane/Gonçalo Ramos, Pedro (Flamengo)

Squad 23/24:
GK - De Gea, Henderson
RB - Wan-Bissaka, Dalot
CB - Varane, Martinez, Min Jae, Lindelof
LB - Shaw, Malacia/Telles
CM- Casemiro, De Jong, Caicedo, Fred
AM - Bruno, Eriksen, Sabitzer/Van de Beek
RW - Antony, Sancho
CF - Kane/Ramos, Pedro
LW - Rashford, Garnacho

*If Sabitzer loan is extended. If not, Telles.
 
balaks said:
Good luck selling the likes of Maguire, Martial, Sancho etc. with the wages they are on. They are likely staying till their contracts end.
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The club subsidizing their wages is an option. If paying Maguire 220k/wk is a hindrance to other transfer plans, he could be sold for some fee with United agreeing to pay 100k/wk for his first year at the buying club, for example, and it would free up 120k/wk to spend on other players.
 
It's funny to read people say things like "Martial would be impossible to get rid of"and then just casually list Donny van de Beek in their bin list. Martial has had some decent performances and has been somewhat fitter near the end of the season. Donny is still recovering from a major, career altering injury and has no PL success at all to point to.
 
RedOrange said:
The club subsidizing their wages is an option. If paying Maguire 220k/wk is a hindrance to other transfer plans, he could be sold for some fee with United agreeing to pay 100k/wk for his first year at the buying club, for example, and it would free up 120k/wk to spend on other players.
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Maguire wouldn't be on 220k/wk basic wage , more likely that would be maximum he could earn infact recent article had that figure at 190k/Wk .

As he is already been reduced to back up here with limited appearances on offer he won't be earning anywhere near that figure So basically my point is he would be more receptive to move even on reduced wages if he can get longer contract elsewhere and Even if United would be needed to subsidise his wages it won't be for considerable amount like 100 k /W.
 
gajender said:
Maguire wouldn't be on 220k/wk basic wage , more likely that would be maximum he could earn infact recent article had that figure at 190k/Wk .

As he is already been reduced to back up here with limited appearances on offer he won't be earning anywhere near that figure So basically my point is he would be more receptive to move even on reduced wages if he can get longer contract elsewhere and Even if United would be needed to subsidise his wages it won't be for considerable amount like 100 k /W.
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Oh sure, it's possible he will take a wage cut. The point of my post is that player wages aren't an unbreakable barrier to transfers. There are likely clubs willing to take him off our hands if we cover part of his wages, which would allow us to avoid paying the rest of them and use that money on other players. You're probably right about his actual wages, those are just irrelevant to the point I was making.
 
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