5 in, 5 out?

Redanian said:
Certainly could use him, assuming the 18 months he’ll have spent in the wilderness haven’t ruined his fitness or ability.
Click to expand...
For sure. We are desperate for goalscorers and he'd be the perfect foil for a Kane/Osimhen etc. Hopefully he can have a decent pre-season and we can ease him back in.
 
These are the players I would look to move out, with my chosen 5 priorities for this thread in bold.
Henderson
Bailly
Jones
Maguire
Telles
Tuanzebe
Williams
McTominay
Martial
Elanga

And I’d look to sign the following 5

Costa
Lavia
Frenkie
Ferguson
Kane

I’d also look to retain Sabitzer permanently.
 
Last edited:
If we can only make 5 in and 5 out, we really need to be super smart. Biggest problem scoring goals, watching kane in a shite team today get a goal from nothing makes me realise how badly we need a CFW.

Our Defence Main priority is one great physical quick CB and we all know who makes everyone’s list of 5 Outs. Casemeiro(30), Eriksen(31), Fred(30), Bruno(29), Mctominay (26), Sabitzer (29)
We need a young dynamic DM/CM who understands PL, we missed out on Ngolo Kante, we can not miss out the united fan Moses Caciedo.

Finally we need a great mid 20’s BTB midfielder and opens up defences, a goal scoring midfielder as we need more goals in the team, a hybrid 8/10 whose quick.

I think we need 2 strikers, Martial is not getting you 15/20 goals again from the left or CFW, he’ll be back up cause no one buying him. Remember this is a wish list so I’d take another United fan Rasmus Hojlund

Conclusion
Five In:
K Min Jae(CB) - £40M
Caciedo(DM/CM) - £80M
M Kudas (8/10) - £45M
H Kane (CF) - £100M
R Hojlund(Striker) - £55M

Total £320M 5 year contracts so amortised over 5 years £63M on FSP

Seven Out:
D Henderson (GK) - £25M (profit as HG)
H Maguire (CB) - £30M
Fred (CM) - £15M
DVB (8/10) - £15M
E Baily (CB) - £7M
A Telles (LB) - £8M
B Williams (FB) - £5M (Profit as HG)

HG will give us £30m against expenditure as we never paid for these players like Pereira and J Garner last summer
(Free up £750k per week on wages plus £150 saving on De Gea new contract)

Total £105M
 
Out list

B Williams
P Jones
E. Bailiy
A Telles
*H Maguire
D Henderson
A Tuanzebe
*A Elanga
*J Sancho.

Get the * players out while they still have economic value to their name.

In list

Sabitzer. Excellent midfield option.
Weghorst. Excellent player who can press like a madman.
M Greenwood. Back to score goals as 1 of 2 fwds we need.
A CF. The 2nd new fwd we need.
A Diallo back to play for us, rotate wing/AM or go to an EPL loan.
2 * young CB to take over in the next few years.

Sancho offers nothing we can not replace by using Diallo and Pellistri. We should have spent his transfer fee on a CDM rather than getting him.
 
Abraxas said:
He is, but we still have issues getting the ball back to front through midfield so that's why I think it's wrong to say Kane is the one big missing piece. We're missing something in midfield. We're missing ball playing ability between the sticks too. It's not just a case of Kane comes here and we're going to put loads on a plate for him and he finishes the picture, v.Persie style.

We struggle to create chances for our main strikers at times, with Rashford and Antony being very liable to shoot and the full backs are not that creative in the final third. We're so reliant on Bruno to do it. If we could get more controlled play through the team we might create more by opening up the opposition.

A striker is absolutely key but I think we need some minor surgery not just one piece. At least 3 but more like 4 or 5 (unlikely)
Click to expand...

I dont disagree, but Rome wasnt build in a day. De Gea can be here one more year with no big harm, and Casemiro has some good years in him. When I meant “in the puzzle”, I meant that we’re kind of alright with De Gea, Casemiro, Dalot, Sancho, Garnacho, Amad etc. In my opinion Ten Hag can develop many of the current ones, but of course the most optimal thing is to upgrade a little in every field - but we’re not City and it’s hard to compete with their squad depth. Therefore I think we have to go for big stable players like Kane mixed with developing youth.

Some players wont cut it here and that’s the likes of Donny, Maguire, etc.
 
I’d sell these players as they’re all fringe players:
Henderson (20m)
Maguire (30m)
McT (25m)
Fred (15m)
Elanga (10m)

Sign:
1.Starting CF (Kane, 100m)
2.Starting CM (Tielemanns, free transfer)
3.Starting GK (Raya, 30m)
4.Backup DM/CM (Rabiot, free transfer)
5.Backup CB (Bella-Kotchap, 25m)
 
The thing with 2 CB's. Do we make ones of them a fullback who can cover the CB position, like Shaw or two out and out CB's. It might save money if we make the right choice.
 
userman said:
I’d sell these players as they’re all fringe players:
Henderson (20m)
Maguire (30m)
McT (25m)
Fred (15m)
Elanga (10m)

Sign:
1.Starting CF (Kane, 100m)
2.Starting CM (Tielemanns, free transfer)
3.Starting GK (Raya, 30m)
4.Backup DM/CM (Rabiot, free transfer)
5.Backup CB (Bella-Kotchap, 25m)
Click to expand...
Tielemanns has been terrible, even for nothing I am not sure how he would improve us.
 
Revan said:
Dalot???
Click to expand...

good player on his day but need an upgrade. Frimpomg is that.AWB will technically not as good as Dalot but offers you a defensive option for the right day. EG when we played PSG a few years ago he played well same in the Manchester derby this season. Plus he is home grown
 
Out:

Henderson
Maguire
McTominay
AWB (If the manager wants him out)
Van De Beek

In:

Kane
Rabiot
Caciedo
Kim Min
Walker Peters
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Tielemanns has been terrible, even for nothing I am not sure how he would improve us.
Click to expand...
I can agree that he’s not had his best season, in a very dysfunctional team, but I do think you’re exaggerating quite a bit here.
As for how he would improve us I believe that he will offer us much of what Eriksen already does but that Tielemanns is much better defensively.. We need an incremental upgrade on Eriksen and I believe Tielemanns could be just that.
 
Any/all of Van de Beek, Maguire, Elanga, Henderson, Bailly, Telles, Williams, Jones, Tuanzebe can go. I doubt we will see very much money incoming and some might be tough to shift due to wages.

Would definitely not keep Weghorst on, and probably not Sabitzer either.

For players in, lots depends on whether or not we have new owners/investment. If that doesn't happen, can't see us buying 5. I would be looking at Osimhen for the striker. Kane is great but would be such crazy money for his age I just don't want to go there. Caicedo would be good but again, likely crazy money and very competitive with other clubs. Lavia would be a good alternative, or even another go at De Jong. Livramento would also be a good option, and if he comes we could maybe let AWB go. We should look for a keeper to challenge DDG, maybe Maignan, don't rate Raya highly. Amad should get a chance to fight for the first team as Antony has not exactly set the world on fire. Anything else would probably be in the prospect category - maybe another striker or a young centre back.
 
userman said:
I can agree that he’s not had his best season, in a very dysfunctional team, but I do think you’re exaggerating quite a bit here.
As for how he would improve us I believe that he will offer us much of what Eriksen already does but that Tielemanns is much better defensively.. We need an incremental upgrade on Eriksen and I believe Tielemanns could be just that.
Click to expand...
It was him who got dispossesed for the Wolves goal on Saturday.
 
Plant0x84 said:
These are the players I would look to move out, with my chosen 5 priorities for this thread in bold.
Henderson
Bailly
Jones
Maguire
Telles
Tuanzebe
Williams
McTominay
Martial
Elanga

And I’d look to sign the following 5

Costa
Lavia
Frenkie
Ferguson
Kane

I’d also look to retain Sabitzer permanently.
Click to expand...
I didn’t even realise that Telles, Henderson and Bailly were still on our payroll.
 
Obviously Sabitzer and Weghorst loans are ending and we have several loanees returning!

What I want:
Out:
DeGea
Martial
Maguire
Sancho
McT
In:
Osimhen
Toney
Caicedo
Gvardiol
Rice
(GK happy to give Hendo and the others a year, If I was pushed I would try for Raya from Brentford)

I also think Gnonto from Southampton might be a cheap addition, depending on where ETH plans to play Rashford, I know I have gone for 2 strikers, but if ETH utilises Rashford in the centre it leaves Garnacho on the wing, in this case would drop either striker and get Gnonto on the cheap

What I think:
Out
McT
Maguire
Some youth players
In
Kane
Timber
Sabitzer
Neves
DeJong
 
Last edited:
Ins/Outs
Fagioli/VDB
Maignan/Henderson
Ugarte/McTominay
Thiaw/Maguire
Hojlund/Elanga

Bonus signing
Harry Kane

Definite Outs
Bailly
Telles
Tuanzebe
Sabitzer
Weghorst
Jones

Stays
Randy Aggressive Deviant
Pellistri
Iqbal
Amad
 
Last edited:
Plenty of movements this year hopefully. ETH has had enough time to fully asses the squad and seems to type of guy to know exactly what he wants now.

Outs:

Jones
Maguire
Bailly
Henderson
Weghorst (loan)
Sabitzer (loan)
Telles
Tuanzebe
VDB

Possible out:

Mctom
Elanga
Sancho
Martial

In (Hopefully)

Striker (Kane / Ferguson / Oshimen)
GK (I like Martinez, but several other good options)
CB (Kim)
CM (FDJ / Other big hitter)
CM (Cheaper backup, maybe Sabitzer permanent, Neves or Tielemans)
Other - Bonus attacking backup

Something like the above would be the dream. It's a huge summer............ I can't see it being great if the Glazers are still around though :(
 
DomesticTadpole said:
It was him who got dispossesed for the Wolves goal on Saturday.
Click to expand...
Yes and that was a poor involvement, but does it make him or any CM that has done the same a terrible player? In the same match Tielemanns also intercepted a cross and went on to initiate the counter that led to Ihenachos penalty goal, so not all negatives to take from that match..
 
If we want want EtH to be successfull over the next few years, we definitely need to change ownership to begin with. That will completely change the mentality around the club and positive vibes will flow through the stands and into the dressing room and eventually onto the pitch. I don't think we'll sell many players regardless of the owner situation because we already need more than what we have. Injury has been a huge concern every season and we need more than 25 high quality players in the squad. But if we defintely have to sell, it should be Maguire, Martial, Mctominay and Jones. We need a striker, a fanstastic machine to accompany Casemiro in midfield and bring the ball and give it to Bruno and maybe a couple of defenders who can play in the CB and wing back positions either side of defense. EtH is a great coach and he will definitely work on a lot of things in the summer. We've not seen his Man Utd team yet. This is just bit parts of it. We hardly press the way he wants us to.
 
AaronRedDevil said:
This is funny because we won’t be able to sell anyone :lol: . Too expensive and high wages will make sure of that. How many seasons have passed with this “sell everyone” and they are still here.
Click to expand...
That also has something about who is in charge for transfers. We had Ed and after him his padawan Murtough.
There is a reason why people like Edwards and Txiki are highly rated. Also our problem was (and still is?) is that all our managers want big depth and then they block some outgoings.

Lets see who will be DoF when new owners come.
 
Moving Maguire is important, even if we get nothing for him. As long as we aren't also paying his wages at his next club.
Henderson, Tuanzebe, Bailly, Jones, Williams, Elanga and Telles can of course all go. If we get £40-50m for the lot of them we'll have done alright.
Donny another £15m.

I don't think we'll get rid of McTominay, simply because he's HG and younger than Fred, who I think we should let go for £15-20m.

That's 10 sales/frees. Only 4/5 from the squad though. I wouldn't sign Weghorst.

That's enough to ship out in one window.

I trust the manager to make good choices about who to bring in. I am concerned though, that he's being pushed into buying Kane at a huge price.
 
Flying high said:
Moving Maguire is important, even if we get nothing for him. As long as we aren't also paying his wages at his next club.
Henderson, Tuanzebe, Bailly, Jones, Williams, Elanga and Telles can of course all go. If we get £40-50m for the lot of them we'll have done alright.
Donny another £15m.

I don't think we'll get rid of McTominay, simply because he's HG and younger than Fred, who I think we should let go for £15-20m.

That's 10 sales/frees. Only 4/5 from the squad though. I wouldn't sign Weghorst.

That's enough to ship out in one window.

I trust the manager to make good choices about who to bring in. I am concerned though, that he's being pushed into buying Kane at a huge price.
Click to expand...
Agreed on the Kane stance I personally would rather see squad improvement over buying an ageing striker on a huge fee and wages. I just can't see an option where Levy doesn't drag it out all summer and fleece us in the last 2 weeks. I would prefer another option into the squad for pre season US Tour and ready to roll. We should also take into consideration he who can't be mentioned should be also available. We have been fleeced too often with under performing over rate English players. Instead of buying the apples from Waitrose can we not set a process where we are taking them from the tree. If anything we are more supportive and patient ( Antony on here being the exception) with young rising star. Rashford , Garnacho , unnamed one lifts the heart more than signing Kane to be honest
 
Maguire
Macguire
H. Maguire
McGwyer
Harry M

If he's here next season I'll actually cry.
 
Maguire - 35m
AWB - 30m
McT - 30m
Hendo - 20m
Williams - 5m
Elanga -15m
Donny - 5m

140m in sales.

I think we will sell well this year.

Kane -100 m
FDJ or Caicedo - 80m
Frimpong - 20m
Kim or that CB kid from Benfica - 60m
Sabitzer or Rabiot - 10m

Total.net spend - 130m.
 
Working under the assumption the glazers still haven’t sold, and therefore have even less desire than usual to give us any of our own money to spend, we’re going to need to raise some funds. Easier said than done, but I’d be looking to move these five on:

Maguire - 40m
Sancho - 40m
Henderson - 15m
Van De Beek - 15m
McTominay - 20m
 
I'm not going to stick to 5 but I would do:

Out
Henderson
Jones
Maguire
Bailly
Telles
Williams
McTominay
Martial (can't stay fit)
Elanga
Voldemort

In
New Backup GK
Young CB
Caicedo
Mac Allister
Sabitzer
Osimhen
Hojlund

Squad

De Gea
New Backup GK
Heaton

AWB
Dalot

Shaw
Malacia

Martinez
Varane
Lindelof
Young CB

Casemiro
Caicedo
Mac Allister
Fred
Eriksen
Mainoo

Bruno
Sabitzer
Hannibal

Garnacho
Sancho
Amad
Antony
Pellistri

Rashford
Osimhen
Hojlund

Probably super optimistic but I think we could be in contention for a title challenge with this squad. Maybe a bit light in defence but Shaw could fill in as an extra CB option
 
We are shite at selling players. History has shown this. Every summer we are fed stories of a clear out and it never materialises. The only way we see a clear out is if we get new owners who are smart enough to realise players like Williams and elanga are simply not required to even fill a void in the squad. I'm not seeing the interest in our dross players right now. The way we see players leave United these days is running down thier contracts.

I'll be very difficult to shift the likes of maguire and martial. This is the reality. If we start seeing interest from clubs to buy permanently instead of loans then we may be able to shift the deadwood. This needs to start soon.
 
Reddevildans said:
We are shite at selling players. History has shown this. Every summer we are fed stories of a clear out and it never materialises. The only way we see a clear out is if we get new owners who are smart enough to realise players like Williams and elanga are simply not required to even fill a void in the squad. I'm not seeing the interest in our dross players right now. The way we see players leave United these days is running down thier contracts.

I'll be very difficult to shift the likes of maguire and martial. This is the reality. If we start seeing interest from clubs to buy permanently instead of loans then we may be able to shift the deadwood. This needs to start soon.
Click to expand...
Thanks for saving me the hassle of writing that up. This is the way i see it. If the sale goes through quickly, i can see us being ruthless in the market, but i won't hold my breath.
 
Id sell: Henderson, Maguire, Lindeloff, Telles, Fred, Mctominay, Martial, laird, Williams, Telles, van de beek

Release de gea, tuanzebe, jones

Add: Marmardashvilli, De vrij, Ndicka, Tielmamans, Rabiot, M. Thuram on frees


Sign: E. martinez, Sabitzer, Kane, Frimpong for cash
Loan out: Mejbri, Pellistri, Mcneil, Shoretire, Zidane

Squad

Squad: keepers: E. Martinez, marmardashvilli
fullbacks: awb, dalot,Malacia, Frimpong
cbs:varane, de vrij, L. martinez, ndicka, Shaw
midfielders: casemiro, Tielmans, rabiot, Ericksen, Bruno, Sabitzer
Widemen/attackers: Antony, Amad, Sancho, Rashford, Kane, Thuram, Garnacho

Youth cover: Mainoo, Fish
 
Last edited:
2 man midfield said:
Working under the assumption the glazers still haven’t sold, and therefore have even less desire than usual to give us any of our own money to spend, we’re going to need to raise some funds. Easier said than done, but I’d be looking to move these five on:

Maguire - 40m
Sancho - 40m
Henderson - 15m
Van De Beek - 15m
McTominay - 20m
Click to expand...
McTominay might fetch 25m but Maguire will generate 15m and Sancho will just run out his contract. So 70m in total which is 15m short of buying Caicedo.
 
Cathy Ferguson said:
McTominay might fetch 25m but Maguire will generate 15m and Sancho will just run out his contract. So 70m in total which is 15m short of buying Caicedo.
Click to expand...
We’ll get more than 15m for Maguire, come on. He doesn’t suit us but he’s a premier league player, and English. He’s 30m of anybody’s money, and I think 40m is possible if the conditions are right.
 
Think it might be more than 5 in and 5 out personally.

Out:
1. Maguire
2. Henderson
3. McTominay
4. Lindelof
5. Elanga
6. Fred
7. Dalot

In:
1. Kane
2. Caicedo
3. Lavia
4. Kim Min Jae
5. Raya
6. Another defender on a free transfer
7. Sabitzer
8. Frimpong

Our squad options then:

Goalkeepers - Raya, De Gea, Butland, Heaton

Defenders - Varane, Martinez, Kim Min Jae, free signing defender

Fullbacks - Shaw, Malacia, AWB, Frimpong

Midfielders - Casemiro, Lavia, Caicedo, Sabitzer, Bruno, Eriksen

Forwards: - Kane, Martial, Rashford, Sancho, Antony, Garnacho, Pellistri
 
Freak said:
Think it might be more than 5 in and 5 out personally.

Out:
1. Maguire
2. Henderson
3. McTominay
4. Lindelof
5. Elanga
6. Fred
7. Dalot

In:
1. Kane
2. Caicedo
3. Lavia
4. Kim Min Jae
5. Raya
6. Another defender on a free transfer
7. Sabitzer
8. Frimpong

Our squad options then:

Goalkeepers - Raya, De Gea, Butland, Heaton

Defenders - Varane, Martinez, Kim Min Jae, free signing defender

Fullbacks - Shaw, Malacia, AWB, Frimpong

Midfielders - Casemiro, Lavia, Caicedo, Sabitzer, Bruno, Eriksen

Forwards: - Kane, Martial, Rashford, Sancho, Antony, Garnacho, Pellistri
Click to expand...

I like it but no way we sign 3 midfielders and I don’t see the point in getting Caicedo AND Lavia.

Both occupy similar roles across 6 and 8 positions so I think we’d be better off combining what we’d pay for both Lavia and Sabitzer and getting Kudus to offer a different and more advanced option. Or go for Caicedo and Sabitzer, using the Lavia money to invest more in the GK position, getting a Diogo Costa or Maignan instead.
 
5 out:

Henderson - 10m
Telles - 5m
Maguire - 30m
McT - 30m
VdB - 15m

Total - 90m

5 in:

N'Dicka - Free
FDJ - 60m
Lavia - 40m
Kane - 80m
Hojlund - 50m

Total - 230m

Total spend - 140m

Additional outs:

Dalot - 30m
Sancho - 40m

Additional ins:

Costa (GK) - 40m
Frimpong - 30-40m
 
The amount of players we can sell is insane.

The ones that are obvious are:

Bailly
Telles
Henerson
Williams
Elanga
VdB
Jones

I also think these should be sold to improve our first eleven / squad:

DDG
Maguire
McT
Martial

Sign:
First Choice Keeper
Third Choice CB
2 Central Midfielders
And a Striker

And now that ive written it down, i think i look like a lunatic. No way that much business gets done.
 
Seems like we have several threads on the same topic, but it’s an important topic.

The way to think about this is in terms of massive holes and small holes.

The absence of a striker is a massive hole. The need for a backup CB to replace Maguire, who can be transferred to a club like Spurs or Fulham, is a small hole that will need to be addressed.

A proper 9 is so overwhelmingly our greatest hole that it deserves its own thread. Who we replace our fourth choice CB with is of no doubt important, but not as important as who we bring in to fill the 9 position.

The more interesting question is what our second greatest need is. A central midfielder to take over for Eriksen, a backup for Casemiro? For me it’s an easy one — a central midfielder to take over for Eriksen.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.