5 in, 5 out?

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This feels like the summer to be decisive. How many players would you want us to bring in (teams always struggle when more than 5 players are required to be integrated) and how many would you sell not including players out of contract (like Jones or Axel) or loans like WW or frozen out like Greenwood/Brandon Williams.

I would imagine something like 5 in, 5 out should be the aim

GK out (ideally DDG takes a significant wage cut and we sell Henderson for 15-20m), GK in (-25m)

Maguire out (15-20m ), new CB in (someone like Kim-min Jae with a reasonable release clause) (-25m)

McT out (25m), marquee midfielder in (Caicedo seems realistic?) (-35m)

DVB out if he can recover from injury (5m?), cheap midfielder in (Sabitzer or Rabiot) (flat)

Elanga out (10-15m), new 9 in (Ramos or Kane?) (-70m)

If you bring Amad back, you likely have to let go of Sancho.
 
(Limiting it to) 5 out, not counting loans ending / contracts ending:
- Henderson
- Maguire
- McT
- Martial
- Dalot

5 in (won’t name names as it’ll likely be very unrealistic):
- 2x ST (1 starting, 1 squad / younger ST)
- 2x CMs
- RB

I’d also really want a starting GK to (on the presumption DDG agrees to a lower wage/lesser squad position).
 
Sell 5 and raise money to get Kane.

He’s the only big piece missing in the puzzle. Under Ten Hag most of current players develop anyway. Shaw can cover in defence, Amad can provide competition on the wing, Antony will develop, Garnacho is a big talent too. Maybe try to keep Sabitzer.
 
Ins
Kane
Frankie De Jong
Frimpong
Kim
Lavia

Outs
Mctominey
Maguire
Van De Beek
Dalot
Weghorst
 
ROFLUTION said:
Sell 5 and raise money to get Kane.

He’s the only big piece missing in the puzzle. Under Ten Hag most of current players develop anyway. Shaw can cover in defence, Amad can provide competition on the wing, Antony will develop, Garnacho is a big talent too. Maybe try to keep Sabitzer.
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I really don't think he is. There's more going wrong in our build-up and quality than just a striker to finish chances. Much more. A striker is a big start on our deficiencies but we need much more to think about titles and CLs.
 
The outs are just as important as the ins, you can’t just keep playing a Maguire/McTominey though the middle and expect different results. We need better footballers
 
I think 3 or 4 is what we should be looking at.
Ideally De Gea out, but I don't think spending money on a keeper is worth it at the moment.

A midfielder and striker are key. Midfielder to replace Eriksen ( and back up Casemiro at the 6). Striker, because we literally have none.

After those 2, signing a cheap but quality cb is important. Varane is pretty injury prone, so having a back up that is good and can fill in at right back if necessary would be great. We aren't replacing Varane, so signing an overexpensive overexposed cb would be a waste of money. After this, then maybe we sign an additional striker as a back up. We have Amad potentially coming back, so selling Sancho would be something i'd heavily consider.

In terms of sales:
Martial, Maguire, Henderson, DVB and Mctominay should go.

The issue we have in our team is mostly depth and age. Our midfield is a bit old and getting younger and more energetic with a player like Caceido would make such a difference. Eriksen would be able to cover him and Bruno, instead of being relied on to start. Varane can be covered by a younger tall centre back that can partner with Licha. I would also consider selling AWB, as if the CB can cover that role, then having two right backs may not be necessary.
 
Out

Dalot
Maguire
McTominay
Weghorst
Sancho

In

Frimpong
Caicedo
Maddison
Oshimen
Ferguson
 
Ole'sgunnarwin said:
Out

Dalot
Maguire
McTominay
Weghorst
Sancho

In

Frimpong
Caicedo
Maddison
Oshimen
Ferguson
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Osimhen and Ferguson seems like Dreamland. That's got to be over 200 million alone and then you're trying to get Caicedo out of Brighton at the same time.
 
A striker is an absolute must, and for me someone who is busy like Rooney was, can get about the field and contribute in other areas (I wouldn’t go for Kane personally)

Other than that, it’s becoming more and more apparent to me that a CM is almost as critical. I thought we could make do with what we had, especially with how Casemiro was performing but it all of a sudden feels as though we’re very short.

I’d also like to see another CB given the impact of losing Martinez and Varane is.

So that’s practically the whole spine of the team which isn’t bloody easy!
 
I would say: Henderson, Maguire, McTominay, van der Beek, Sancho, Weghorst and Martial out.

Get a backup CB, a starting midfielder, a starting keeper, and a starting striker.
 
Abraxas said:
I really don't think he is. There's more going wrong in our build-up and quality than just a striker to finish chances. Much more. A striker is a big start on our deficiencies but we need much more to think about titles and CLs.
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If you look at Kane he’s great in build ups. Binds every attack together at Spurs. Goes deep and creates a ton. So mature in every decision.
 
Martial - too injury prone
Dvb- just not worked out
Mctominay - we can recoup some money for him
Maguire - again, just not worked out here for him
Elanga - not getting game time.

Kane
Rasmus hojlund
Maddison
Caicedo
Min-Jae

Goals goals goals
 
Out (£105m)

Maguire - £25m
Henderson - £20m
McTominay - £30m
Van de Beek - £10m
Elanga - £20m

In (£265m)
Diogo Costa - £65m
Kim Min-Jae - £40m
Ugarte - £50m
Alex Scott - £25m
Kane - £85m

If we were playing 6 out 6 in, my next would be getting in a RB (Frimpong or Dumfries), but I’m also open to waiting a year and seeing if Livramento has a good (injury free) year with Southampton.
 
Maignan/Costa
Frimpong
Antonio Silva
Lavia
Caicedo
Osimhen

Outs: De Gea, Henderson, Jones, Tuanzebe, Bailly, Wan-Bissaka, Williams, Laird, Maguire, McTominay, Sancho, Elanga, Martial.

I'd also have Amad and Greenwood in the squad. Another year on loan for Hannibal and Fernandes. Pellistri to go on loan too.

Very expensive window that and certain compromises will be made I'm sure. I don't see us signing Maignan, Antonio Silva, Caicedo and Osimhen for a start. Even Frimpong is possibly unlikely as right back probably won't be deemed as a priority. I can see us opting for Timber and Goncalo Ramos.
 
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SinNombre said:
This feels like the summer to be decisive. How many players would you want us to bring in (teams always struggle when more than 5 players are required to be integrated) and how many would you sell not including players out of contract (like Jones or Axel) or loans like WW or frozen out like Greenwood/Brandon Williams.

I would imagine something like 5 in, 5 out should be the aim

GK out (ideally DDG takes a significant wage cut and we sell Henderson for 15-20m), GK in (-25m)

Maguire out (15-20m ), new CB in (someone like Kim-min Jae with a reasonable release clause) (-25m)

McT out (25m), marquee midfielder in (Caicedo seems realistic?) (-35m)

DVB out if he can recover from injury (5m?), cheap midfielder in (Sabitzer or Rabiot) (flat)

Elanga out (10-15m), new 9 in (Ramos or Kane?) (-70m)

If you bring Amad back, you likely have to let go of Sancho.
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Amad will be competing with Antony on the right and can also cover in the AM pos. Sancho will cover rashford on the left.
 
ROFLUTION said:
If you look at Kane he’s great in build ups. Binds every attack together at Spurs. Goes deep and creates a ton. So mature in every decision.
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He is, but we still have issues getting the ball back to front through midfield so that's why I think it's wrong to say Kane is the one big missing piece. We're missing something in midfield. We're missing ball playing ability between the sticks too. It's not just a case of Kane comes here and we're going to put loads on a plate for him and he finishes the picture, v.Persie style.

We struggle to create chances for our main strikers at times, with Rashford and Antony being very liable to shoot and the full backs are not that creative in the final third. We're so reliant on Bruno to do it. If we could get more controlled play through the team we might create more by opening up the opposition.

A striker is absolutely key but I think we need some minor surgery not just one piece. At least 3 but more like 4 or 5 (unlikely)
 
Outgoings:
Malacia (loan)
Maguire (sold)
McTominay (sold)
Bailly (loan/sold)
Henderson (sold)
Weghorst (loan ended)
Sabitzer (loan ended)
Fred (sold)
Sancho (?)
Martial (?)
De Gea (?)

Incomings:
Kim Min-jae
Caiceido/Romeo Lavia
De Jong/Enzo le Fee/MacAllister
Frimpong
Hojlund/Ferguson (?)
Kane/Osimhen
Hannibal (back from loan)
Amad (back from loan)
Maignan/Raya (?)

*(?) denotes unlikely.
 
I’d sell these players as they’re fringe players:
Henderson
Maguire
McT
Fred (12 months left of his contract)
Elanga
(+ Sancho if there’s a +50m offer)

Sign:
1.Starting CF
2.Starting CM
3.Starting GK
4.Backup DM
5.Backup CB
 
Ignore the loanees:
Henderson
Maguire
Martial
Scott
VDB

Buy
ST x2
CM x2
CB
 
We are 34 goals behind arsenal and 41 behind city. We need to find players that will get us an extra 30 to 40 goals a season; not easy.
Kane I think would probably get 20-25 of them. Still need more though.
 
1. Kane
2. Lavia
3. Timber
4. Raya
5. Rabiot

McTom, Maguire, Elanga, Henderson, Telles, Bailly, Jones, Sabitzer and Weghorst out.
 
Competing for our 4 attacking roles (SC, LF, RF & AMC) we could arguably see: Rashford, Martial, Sancho, Garnacho, Bruno, Antony, Amad…perhaps even our No11.

Add a top tier SC to that group and we’d be looking pretty good and be well covered with a few able to perform in varying positions.

Conpeting at full back we also have decent optionswith Shaw, AWB, Dalot and Malacia. If we’re to add anyone I suspect they would be multi functional and able to cover at CB

CBs would be Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Lindelof and new multi functional CB/Fullback

leaves midfield, which ain’t entirely bad, but Casemiro and Eriksen another yr older. Retain Fred who plays well with his fellow countryman and I’d retain Sabitzer if reasonable. would like to see a big signing to compliment that lot and there are some youth options aswell.

I just can’t see us selling DeGea given his wages and that makes it difficult to sign a replacement who might not trust joining with DeGea still here. Reasonable option would be Raya

Ins - Raya, Timber, Caicedo, Osimhen
Out - Henderson, Jones, Maguire, Williams, Van De Beek, McTominay, Elanga, Pelistri
 
This is funny because we won’t be able to sell anyone :lol: . Too expensive and high wages will make sure of that. How many seasons have passed with this “sell everyone” and they are still here.
 
AaronRedDevil said:
This is funny because we won’t be able to sell anyone :lol: . Too expensive and high wages will make sure of that. How many seasons have passed with this “sell everyone” and they are still here.
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That much is true.

Just need to do what Arsenal did and get rid, even if you have to pay them off to leave.
 
It's not very often that I agree with that guy on YouTube, but on this occassion I do. I have no idea why we are apparently going after Frimpong. Dalot and AWB are just fine and RB is the last position we should be looking at.

I also think that while many have McT on their sell list, I will be surprised if ETH is one of them. I think he would sell Fred before McT. Could be wrong though. If it's up to me, my 5 to sell (if we even can) are:

De Gea
Maguire
Sancho
Martial (wish he could stay healthy)
McT

The 5 players I'd like to see come this way are

Raya (but I'd like to see Henderson given a real chance first)
Min-Jae
J David
Oshiman
Rice
 
Out

Maguire
McT
Fred
Elanga
Martial

Bonus departures: AWB, VDB, Jones, Williams

In

Young CB
Frimpong
Caicedo
Keep Sabitzer or bring Gravenberch
Osimhen or Kane
 
Out:

Henderson
Maguire
VDB
McTominay
Elanga

In:

GK (Not sure but someone who can actually distribute well which as we know is something DDG can’t do - Maignan would be amazing but we will probably be told by Milan to feck off)
CB (Kim from Napoli with the low release clause is a no brainier)
DM (Caicedo - perfect long term replacement for Casemiro)
X2 ST (Starter like Kane/Oshimen & someone of a younger profile like Hojlund)

In terms of the players that are presently out on loan, Amad comes back into the 1st team fold whilst the others like Hannibal, Fernandez, Fish, Laird all go out again on season long loans. Pellistri, Iqbal & Mainoo joining them too.

In terms of the players we have on loan, won’t mind taking Sabitzer permanently if it’s a reasonable price. Weghorst… I’ll happily offer to drive him back to Burnley.
 
Out
Henderson £15m
Wan bissaka £20m
Williams £
Maguire £20m
Mctominay £20m
VDB £10m
Sancho £25m
Martial £25m
Elanga £15m

£155m

in

Vandervoort £20m
Frimpong £30m
Min-Jae £50m
Caceido £70m
Hojland £50m
Ferguson £30m

£250m
 
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