Gio, i saw what thread you were looking at. I knew that must have been an inspiration after those picks.
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Don't keep it to yourself, we all deserve to know
I've already said to muchDon't keep it to yourself, we all deserve to know
So obvious that Gio is copying antohan's team
Party pooper.
Let's turn this in to the "what's Gio looking at?"-thread since not much is going on. He's currently scrolling through the "who's the greatest bald footballer of all time?"- thread.
Aldo & Gol123 have the best picks till now!
Bloody hell! I go to sleep for 5 hours and my back-up gets decimated 
I had Pirri, Johnstone, Rensenbrink and Bene in that order I believe I may have underestimated this draft.
I had Pirri, Johnstone, Rensenbrink and Bene in that order I believe I may have underestimated this draft.There was a couple of players I hoped to go for in the 11th and 12th pick but im sure they'll go before its my turn again
There was a couple of players I hoped to go for in the 11th and 12th pick but im sure they'll go before its my turn again
You have plans for 11th and 12th pick? My research hasn't even covered half that
I wrote down 35 odd names and decided which were most likely to go first... Hasn't really worked that way due to the list having 3 names left.You have plans for 11th and 12th pick? My research hasn't even covered half that
I barely have plans for rounds 3 and 4 given that the ones i'm thinking will most likely be gone by the 5 guys in front of me.You have plans for 11th and 12th pick? My research hasn't even covered half that
Fascinating. I was torn between Jansen and Rensenbrink and actually prefered Jansen the whole time. Just changed my mind last second
Penned you down for Haan myself.
Some serious convo activity going on between Gio and Theon!
I'm at a cross roads at the moment. Most players left aren't well known in the grand scheme of things and I am wondering whether to go attacking or to go sensible.
Same
If they aren't well known, then does the position matter?
I have so many players on my list. Over 100 and I don't know 95 of them.
Then you've definitely got my ace up the sleeve on your list
Probably. I've got way too many players on there and no way to determine who was better then who other then contradictory lists. That's also not including the load of right wingers I just got rid of.
You don't have to know 'em - just how to sell 'em.
I have never watched a football match in my life - I just go by stats and word of mouth. Has worked out brilliantly for me so far.
Are Theon and Gio altering birthdays on wikipedia? We should double check their next pick, just to be sure. It would explain why it takes so long to make a decision.
Let me introduce you to a brand new world of pes stats!!
pesstatsdatabase.com
This is going to change your life.
Every part of my research includes wiki, then googling "player X pes stats" to see what they have to say about them.
I haven't stretched that far enough to using them in match threads yet. ...But I've sent Pat a fair few links from there
Never heard of this website, how old or new is it?
Wait, its pro evo???
The stats themselves are not that useful apart from giving you a very basic overview of the player, certainly not enough to make it to the match thread. But the comments and other links they have is a good read to know about the player more.
Sorry I'll get a pick in the next few minutes.
As we know from the last draft, PES stats are the truth!
We'll take the greatest Pole of all, even better than goal-grabbing greyhound Greg Lato, Anto spunk-receptacle Zibi Boniek and Graham.
Kazimierz Deyna
3rd in the Ballon D'Or in 1974, behind a couple of other blokes called Johan and Franz, (and 6th in 1972 and 1973), Deyna was one of the greatest European players of the 1970s. A household name had he not been born the wrong side of the Iron Curtain, the languid Pole shimmied around opposing midfielders like Zidane and passed like Platini. That meant Deyna often had to show off his talents for the national team, where the silky midfielder rattled in a mightily impressive 42 goals in 97 appearances.
Kazimierz Deyna
3rd in the Ballon D'Or in 1974, behind a couple of other blokes called Johan and Franz, (and 6th in 1972 and 1973), Deyna was one of the greatest European players of the 1970s. A household name had he not been born the wrong side of the Iron Curtain, the languid Pole shimmied around opposing midfielders like Zidane and passed like Platini. That meant Deyna often had to show off his talents for the national team, where the silky midfielder rattled in a mightily impressive 42 goals in 97 appearances.
Brian Kidd said:
Apologies for the delay today, I was sneeking peaks at the Caf inbetween meetings this afternoon.
Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2. Oblak 3. Maier
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2. Keizer 3. Olsen
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2. Overath 3. Johnstone
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts 3. Rensenbrink
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini 3. Jansen
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão 3. Bene
Gio 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3.
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff 3.
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3.
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3.
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3.
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto 3.
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Aldo 1. Best 2. Chumpitaz 3. Pirri
Chesterlestreet 1. Pelé 2. Greaves 3. Bremner
RedTiger 1. Beckenbauer 2. Oblak 3. Maier
Skizzo/Pat_Mustard 1. Cruyff 2. Keizer 3. Olsen
Gol123 1. Van Hanegem 2. Overath 3. Johnstone
Invictus 1. Eusébio 2. Mazzola 3. Haan
Balu 1. G. Müller 2. Vogts 3. Rensenbrink
ctp 1. Rivelino 2. Marzolini 3. Jansen
crappycraperson 1. Moore 2. Tostão 3. Bene
Gio 1. Figueroa 2. Cubillas 3. Deyna
NM/EAP 1. Facchetti 2. Riva 3.
sallycinnamin 1. Jairzinho 2. Zoff 3.
harms 1. Krol 2. Florian Albert 3.
Tuppet 1. Rivera 2. Džajić 3.
Joga Bonito 1. Law 2. Netzer 3.
Marty1968 1. Gerson 2. Carlos Alberto 3.
@NM
@Edgar Allan Pillow
Every part of my research includes wiki, then googling "player X pes stats" to see what they have to say about them.
I haven't stretched that far enough to using them in match threads yet. ...But I've sent Pat a fair few links from there
That is shameful. Everybody knows Wiki isn't a reliable source.
As Annah says it's atrocious in current form, So I was just trying to make it more reliable . Good deeds are never left unpunished.
Deyna is a great pick.
Yeah, we've had the PES debate before.
I think it's a waste of time, myself - not least because I actually used to play the Pro Evo games.
1. The stats themselves are parameters which make sense for a computer generated "player" in a video game. They're not a reflection of the actual, historical player's characteristics and abilities. They're loosely based on the latter, obviously, but the key term would be "loosely".
2. The people who tweak the default stats (which are based on God knows what) - or create the stats from scratch - are not necessarily objective. Some of them probably are, but even the more objective ones may be idiots.
3. The serious contributors on that site are people who take the GAME nature of the thing into consideration: They tweak the stats in order to make the players more "realistic" within the game. The latter being absolutely the key - it's a GAME.
4. They have older players in that database of theirs whose stats are based on very little - and which have been contributed by people whose opinion on the player in question has gone virtually unchallenged.
5. Using numbers in the way they do is deceptive and ultimately detrimental. It leads to over-simplification and creates a false impression of exactitude - in areas where the qualities which should be measured are per definition (and common sense) not exact.
So, fun though it may be - the PES shite should be considered a no-go for us. It's no substitute at all for watching available footage - or even for reading up on players in available written records.