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Anybody knows our record with this formation?
I think for this season its the best one for us. Firstly you have two strikers in the box, it allows you to play a 3 men midfield where you can push both Pogba and Bruno up the pitch without losing much in defensive balance, we now have Telles who gives us an offensive weapon that works well when you have two strikers in the box and then Axel, Maguire and Lindelof are fairly useful on the ball.We have some of the things needed to make this formation work now. A ball-playing (preferably two) CB who can pass and carry the ball forward in Shaw and an attacking full-back who can provide a threat in Telles. My problem with this formation is that it's often more like a very defensive 5-3-2 when you have limited CB's like Maguire, Lindelöf and Bailly and defensive fullbacks like AWB.
I still think we should only use this in particular tactical games like this one. Can't see us dominating games and creating chances with it.
It depends but when you have Pogba and Bruno pushed up, conducting the attack and supplying two dangerous forwards like Martial and Rashford? I don't think so, now we have a fullback that can cross the ball too but I think AWB is the only issue but we could just take a punt on Laird and see how it goes.Happy with 3-5-2 against teams that are set up to attack but it's overkill against teams that like to sit in and defend, we shouldn't need to use it all season. The better teams play with more than one formation and we should be no different.
It depends but when you have Pogba and Bruno pushed up, conducting the attack and supplying two dangerous forwards like Martial and Rashford? I don't think so, now we have a fullback that can cross the ball too but I think AWB is the only issue but we could just take a punt on Laird and see how it goes.
Young being the operative word, how soon do you see either of them contributing effectively to justify playing a formation that accommodates them? We didn't get Sancho and we have fantastic depth in central areas so we should utilize that strength for this season and consider things next season depending on what we would have after a few additions. To me the potential benefit of pushing up Pogba to play alongside Bruno and behind a front two of Martial/Cavani and Rashford/Greenwood is more important than a couple of 18year olds still finding their feet and one hasn't even arrived yet.I can't see it being the go to formation anyway, we've just signed 2 young wingers and was after Sancho all summer.
Young being the operative word, how soon do you see either of them contributing effectively to justify playing a formation that accommodates them? We didn't get Sancho and we have fantastic depth in central areas so we should utilize that strength for this season and consider things next season depending on what we would have after a few additions. To me the potential benefit of pushing up Pogba to play alongside Bruno and behind a front two of Martial/Cavani and Rashford/Greenwood is more important than a couple of 18year olds still finding their feet and one hasn't even arrived yet.
Weird, didn't think we were parking the bus much against PSG during that first half.523 is park the bus for counter-attack, which usually works well against opposition who likes to take possession of the ball, pass it around in their own back half, or even better, pass it inside their own box.
What if your opposition just happy to sit behind the ball for a draw.
523 is park the bus for counter-attack, which usually works well against opposition who likes to take possession of the ball, pass it around in their own back half, or even better, pass it inside their own box.
What if your opposition just happy to sit behind the ball for a draw.
Weird, didn't think we were parking the bus much against PSG during that first half.
Man city used 3 at the back a lot when they last won the title, spurs used it a lot with potchettino, conte uses it, jive has used it a lot over the years, psg use quite often, it can certainly work with the right players in the system against all types of opposition.
523 is park the bus for counter-attack, which usually works well against opposition who likes to take possession of the ball, pass it around in their own back half, or even better, pass it inside their own box.
What if your opposition just happy to sit behind the ball for a draw.
I was also thinking this. What happens if we play this way vs Fulham, Burnley or WBA and always conceded the ball to them. I think one of the top teams should try it out. The opposition can’t just keep the ball for 90 mins!!523 is park the bus for counter-attack, which usually works well against opposition who likes to take possession of the ball, pass it around in their own back half, or even better, pass it inside their own box.
What if your opposition just happy to sit behind the ball for a draw.
Anybody knows our record with this formation?
5-2-3 is, but 3-5-2 is not parking the bus. The wing back's job is playing as a midfielder not a defender. You can also push the center back to help the attack like Sheffield utd did last season. Shaw and Tunzebe are perfect for that role, Telles is also perfect for left wing back, but the only concern is AWB's ability to attack.523 is park the bus for counter-attack, which usually works well against opposition who likes to take possession of the ball, pass it around in their own back half, or even better, pass it inside their own box.
What if your opposition just happy to sit behind the ball for a draw.
It's all well and good with the squad now, but we've just bought Pellestri and have Diallo coming in January, who are both coming up to ages where they'll want to be playing some part in the first team.
Would we play them up top? But then they'd still have Martial, Cavani, Rashford, Greenwood ahead of them. Doubt they can play wing back too.
Attacks tend to build from winning possession, yes.Most of our attack come from interception and counter, plus picking up 2nd ball and counter.
Thanks. Definitely the way to go against top teams from thisThis season: 2-1 PSG (away)
Last season:
- Europa League: 1-0 Partizan (away), 1-1 Club Bruges (away)
- FA Cup: 6-0 Tranmere, 1-3 Chelsea
- EFL Cup: 2-1 Chelsea (away), 1-0 Man City (2nd leg)
- PL: 1-1 Liverpool (home), 0-2 LIverpool (away) 3-3 Sheff United (away, changed formation at half-time when 0-1) 2-0 Chelsea (away) 2-0 Man City (home)
How is a 3rd CB and relying more on Awb to create going to help break down teams that sit back?
I don't know how that would work. I'm speaking based on what I've seen and what we will keep seeing when we play this formation. Every time we played 3 defenders Awb if he wasn't defending always bombed forward to create. That's not going to changeWan Bissaka doesn't have to bomb forward and create, he can always tuck into midfield and offer more freedom for someone like Pogba to venture forward.
Yes, yes, yes. A thousand times yes, for the following reasons.
- 4231 is shite and outdated
- we have no natural top-class wingers so we shouldn't play 433
- we have no all-round full backs (who can both defend and attack) so we shouldn't play 433
- we have good wingback candidates in Telles, AWB, Williams and Shaw
- Dan James would be best suited to being an attacking wingback - he doesn't dribble well but he gets up and down straight lines, has a great engine and, on the left, puts in a decent ball
- we have an abundance of CB from which we can choose three
- we have an abundance of DMs/CMs/AMs from which we can choose three
- 352 / 532 is a counterattacking system - and Ole is a counterattacking coach
- 352 in 'easier' matches allows to be potent on the counter with two CFs (e.g. Rashford and Cavani)
- 532 in 'bigger' games allows us to have one forward tracking back (e.g. Lingard) and one staying up front occupying both of their CBs (e.g. Martial)
- we have good wingback candidates in Telles, AWB, Williams and Shaw
To be fair we looked good with a 3-5-2 and a 4-2-3-1 in the PSG game, I doubt our formation will even be set in stone for an entire 90 minutes.We have a good diverse squad let's not have a formation set in stone, let's be flexible. The only thing I want Ole to do is desist from 4-2-3-1 but if he has to play it do not do it with Pogba in a double pivot.