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This can work effectively against top clubs, but I hope don’t see this against the likes of Watford.
It'd be either Bruno or Sancho in any 3-4-3 system IMO. Basically if Ole is smart, he'll rotate 3 out of Bruno, Ronaldo, Cavani, Rashford, Greenwood and Sancho. 2 of those are creators, 4 of them are "forwards". Can be done well to keep everyone engaged and fresh, or can get done poorly where we overplay Bruno/Ronaldo and underlay Sancho/someone else.So Bruno and Sancho can't play together? Rashford is half decent in a front 2. Martial and Greenwood also. But the Sancho outlay seems a little daft if we don't have a system to fit him into.
Death to Sancho
Hes definitely more suitable to the front 3 in a 3-4-3 than he was on the wing in a 4-2-3-1 IMO. He's the creative guy in the front 3, but today that was Bruno. Up to Ole to manage them effectively.Maybe true but they'll have to get used to being on the bench a bit more since there is one less attacking spot. The biggest issue is Sancho really. I don't see him at his best in midfield or as a second striker. But tough, he can't say he hasn't been given chances on the wing.
Why not? Atalanta have played with a back 3/5 for years under Gasparini, and if there's one thing they do, it's score. A shitload. Every damn season.This can work effectively against top clubs, but I hope don’t see this against the likes of Watford.
Yep, just going by Ole's use of it. And agree the Ronaldo - Cavani partnership isn't sustainable.The quality of play isn't due to the formation but the instructions, Gasperini uses 3412/343 and no one can say that his teams play tumescent football. Now the question is whether Ole will use inside forwards and give a proper chance to the likes of Sancho and Rashford with either Cavani or Ronaldo, if he doesn't then he has to win big trophies because his 70 years old striking force isn't the near future of United and he could mess things up long term.
Ole already mentioned Sancho as an option in this system post match. I think he can play as support to Ronaldo as Cavani did today.
Chelsea wins games routinely against teams like Watford with 3-4-3/3-5-2. It’s about how you implement the formation, not the formation itself. When we do play Watford in 3 weeks time, just push Shaw and AWB higher - take more risks.This can work effectively against top clubs, but I hope don’t see this against the likes of Watford.
Hes definitely more suitable to the front 3 in a 3-4-3 than he was on the wing in a 4-2-3-1 IMO. He's the creative guy in the front 3, but today that was Bruno. Up to Ole to manage them effectively.
Chelsea wins games routinely against teams like Watford with 3-4-3/3-5-2. It’s about how you implement the formation, not the formation itself. When we do play Watford in 3 weeks time, just push Shaw and AWB higher - take more risks.
Mate, Conte turned Victor Moses into a world class title winning wing-back. If he can do that with him, he can definitely do something with our players.Tuchel manages to get a ridiculous amount of production from his full backs though. Alonso & Chillwell are extremely potent going forward and so is James on the other side.
Mate, Conte turned Victor Moses into a world class title winning wing-back. If he can do that with him, he can definitely do something with our players.
Chelsea wins games routinely against teams like Watford with 3-4-3/3-5-2. It’s about how you implement the formation, not the formation itself. When we do play Watford in 3 weeks time, just push Shaw and AWB higher - take more risks.
Have to agree with you there, although Shaw can be very good going forward with his crossing and overlapping. AWB is undoubtedly not good enough in that area though. I’d be inclined to use one of Sancho or Lingard at RWB in said Watford game to be honest, which I didn’t mention in my previous post.Tuchel manages to get a ridiculous amount of production from his full backs though. Alonso & Chillwell are extremely potent going forward and so is James on the other side.
A formation =/= a system of playEveryone saying yes will hate this formation after a while, especially after home games. Its good to use in certain games but that's it.
Same shit really, 3-4-1-2 or 5-2-1-2. And I called it a 343 as essentially the "1-2" is a group of 3 and probably gets coached as a group of 3. Even looking at average positions, Bruno played far more on the right than as a 10 anyway, but it's half as an attacker and half as a midfielder anyway. So pretty much a right attacking mid. Even in a 3-4-3 the width comes from fullbacks, it's just that the front 3 play more narrow. Sancho did it often for Dortmund, would be fine IMO.I'm not sure we're playing a 3-4-3. I see it as a 5-2-1-2 in defence transitioning to a 3-4-1-2 in attack. I think the width comes from the wingbacks rather than the front 3. I think Sancho will be expected to play narrow rather than be allowed to drift to much out wide.
Who knows. As you said, up to Ole to manage them. As long as we win.
Better that than forgoing results. Tonight was a good night.Good luck to ole managing Sancho/Greenwood playing time expectations.
I like your thinking but over the course of a season we’ll have to adapt to circumstances that may require us going with a back four. In your scenario of AWB pushing higher up against Watford why not instead drop Lindelof and add a proper attacking player? We can’t go an entire season not giving chances to Sancho and Greenwood even against bottom feeder clubs.
Same shit really, 3-4-1-2 or 5-2-1-2. And I called it a 343 as essentially the "1-2" is a group of 3 and probably gets coached as a group of 3. Even looking at average positions, Bruno played far more on the right than as a 10 anyway, but it's half as an attacker and half as a midfielder anyway. So pretty much a right attacking mid. Even in a 3-4-3 the width comes from fullbacks, it's just that the front 3 play more narrow. Sancho did it often for Dortmund, would be fine IMO.
Is there any place to see an average position chart? I'd be shocked if it didn't show as more of a 3-4-1-2 with Bruno the #10 clearly ahead of McTominay and Fred in midfield. I didn't see it as a traditional midfield 3 at all. Cavani's goal perfectly encapsulated what the formation was set out to do IMO.
Better that than forgoing results. Tonight was a good night.
Mate, I guess at this point you realized that your interpretation of 3-4-3 for this specific game is pretty exclusiveSame shit really, 3-4-1-2 or 5-2-1-2. And I called it a 343 as essentially the "1-2" is a group of 3 and probably gets coached as a group of 3. Even looking at average positions, Bruno played far more on the right than as a 10 anyway, but it's half as an attacker and half as a midfielder anyway. So pretty much a right attacking mid. Even in a 3-4-3 the width comes from fullbacks, it's just that the front 3 play more narrow. Sancho did it often for Dortmund, would be fine IMO.
That looks organised. Because of how low the bar is at the moment I'm probably way more impressed than I should be but alas here we are.We were playing 3-4-3 on the ball and 3-5-2 off it.
Good luck to ole managing Sancho/Greenwood playing time expectations.
Tough shit. It's time these young ones (and I will include Martial and Rashford in this group) adapted their game to the teams needs, rather than always needing the team to be set up to their strengths.
Just don't buy them then?
Well, probably should have thought twice about it but too late now for Martial and Sancho.
They can adapt, or go the Donny way. We need better standards not just for the manager, but all round the club in general.
Well, probably should have thought twice about it but too late now for Martial and Sancho.
They can adapt, or go the Donny way. We need better standards not just for the manager, but all round the club in general.
That makes no sense, the manager adapted the system to a bunch of players that got humiliated by Liverpool but you think that he shouldn't adapt his not functioning tactics to the players that are meant to be the future of this club?
It’s a temporary solution that will be ditched eventually. Just surprised we didn’t play this way against Liverpool.
In fairness it did work very well today but this is the cycle under Ole, no plan just stumbling around for something that works until the next crisis.