I don't want mayor pete because I have a long time personal conspiracy theory that he's a massive psychopath.
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins
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Come on, not a single entertaining pick. Are all WWE people republicans? What about Taylor Swift or, I dunno, the driver from How I met your mother.
I want Mayor Pete! I don't currently dislike Harris in any specific enough ways for it to be funny if she loses. In the event we have to have another round of Trump I should get to watch someone I have it in for lose as a consolation. Buttigieg is an excellent candidate for this.
I will be very surprised if it is him though.
I will be very surprised if it is him though.
Starting to think Waltz might be a good choice for not pissing people off. On the basis of very little he seems to have a decent patter about him:
He seems to be gaining a bit of momentum lately, despite not being among the initial shortlist.
I'd vote for that!
Yeah I doubt she would select someone who actually outperformed her during the 2020 Presidential race and who many believe would make a better POTUS than her. Tim Walz or Roy Cooper would seem safer choices for her in this regard.
What about Pritzker, you think he has a chance?
He was one of the shortlist who people thought may challenge for the actual Presidency if there was enough time. But like all the others, he has since come out in favor of Harris. I don't think he would bring much to a VP ticket.
I've never heard of him to be honest. He's more centrist than I'd like but arguably that's what's needed. He's a moderate (was voted 7th most bipartisan member of the House), comes across as decent and savvy, well respected in his midwestern state. Doesn't appear to have attracted any factional ire.
Wouldn't be the worst pick.
It is Harris, done deal.
I did see another post of yours on a similar theme, I think saying there was a danger he would 'outshine her', something like that. Are you pretty down on Harris or have you become a big Buttigieg fan?
My only real take on his effectiveness as a campaigner is I think doing an embarrassingly intentional impression of the mannerisms of Obama probably goes down better with Dem primary voters than it would general election voters but going down less well doesn't necessarily mean badly.
I do not understand what you are saying here.
EDIT - Oh, you think I mean Pete for President. No, I'm talking her running mate.
I'm more so a Pete fan than anything else. He's well spoken and definitely has a big future in politics. He just needs to set himself up for the next cycle, as Harris did when Biden selected her in 2020. If she's elected, he would make a great Secretary of State imo.
I thought it was an ad from her!
The most harrowing of the terrors she might bring is changing the advisory food pyramid to reduce consumption of red meat.
What you got against Pete?
I must say that these are really good candidates, some would even be good candidates for president.
As for VP, everyone has an advantage and some disadvantage. Buttigieg to me should be at the bottom of the list: you don’t want two from the Biden administration on the ticket.
Why on earth do you "have it in" for Buttigieg?
I wouldn't mind him either. Good speaker. Quick on his feet. Youthful. Midwest born. Maybe doesn't have the same standing in the Midwest as some of the others.
It could be even worse. Time to dust off that tan suit.
Agree, but I don't see it. Typically, Democrats go either for people with a long history in the state department (Christopher, Albright, Blinken), or extremely famous senators who almost got presidency (Clinton, Kerry). Might just be a very small sample though.
Will there be a massive reformatting if Harris win? And replacing Blinken is as massive as it can be considering that secretary of state is the most important secretary (and probably second to president in the overall importance).
Wouldn't mind Buttigieg as a VP pick though, but I think Shapiro or Whitmer makes more sense.
I am Team Pete. Let's go!
Pete vs. JD debate would be a bloodbath.
Yes, in most instances a change in administration will result in mostly new people in the key administration positions.
Just the optics of a woman of color being sworn in as President with a gay VP come January would be amazing.
I also really like mayor Pete.
I also really like mayor Pete.
Mostly surface level stuff, it's not like I think he represents a hugely different direction to other prominent democrats that must be opposed, I just dislike the guy.
I dislike his persona and affectation. Particularly the imitation of Obama I mentioned but also I see a particular sliminess and an arrogance there that cause me to recoil.
People (mainly straight people) do have a tendency to describe his prominence in US politics as if it is a positive for queer people and I find that quite insulting to the community. Our causes are not advanced by the figureheads of institutional power being men with husbands.
That said, politically, I suspect a Buttigieg administration would have even more economically right wing instincts than recent Dem ones have had, which I consider a bad thing.
Basically, bad vibes and no redeeming features.
Wow, I don't see that at all.
Wouldn't that Reform result be at least as bad in the US? The problem was single-rep districts plus winner takes all, which is exactly what the US has for the House. As for France, you can also easily see the party with the most votes getting fewer seats in the House. Not the third most, but that's because there can realistically only be two parties.
Based on these, decided to do some analysis of the swings of the polls before and after he left
| Poll | Last Biden v Trump (post-debate only) | New Harris v Trump (after BIden's drop-out only) |
| Ipsos/Reuters (2-way) | -3 | +2 |
| Ipsos/Reuters | -2 | +4 |
| Yougov/Economist | -2 | -3 |
| Marist/NPR/PBS (2-way) | +2 | -1 |
| Marist/NPR/PBS | -1 | = |
| CNN/SSRS | -6 | -3 |
| Georgia-only Landmark Comm | [-5] (rough avg of prev polls of Georgia) | -2 |
So there is a uneven trend of slight improvement, but she's still behind. It's a contest now, but Trump remains favourite.
Teachers unions will also have a problem with Shapiro given his support for school vouchers. I think Kelly and Shapiro have enough issues that could dull the enthusiasm for Harris.
Interesting. Which Dems do you yourself find to have grating personalities? I'm curious if we just disagree on my man here or if there's a broader difference at play.
The fact that a joke of a candidate like Vance can just stroll to victory in Ohio these days says, says a lot about how far gone the state is.
I don't give Sherrod Brown a high chance of winning.
I don't give Sherrod Brown a high chance of winning.
Can anybody more clued-up on US politics shed some light on how big an issue the Mark Kelly PRO Act situation actually is?
From what I'd read, it seemed like he only had an issue with specific parts of the legislation, but supported the overall aim and told unions he would still vote for it (just not cosponsor the bill).
My point is that this idea of votes not being entirely representative is hardly unique for the US, but people focus so much on ‘how stupid the US is’ where a party can get more votes but still do not get presidency/senate/house/whatever, where it is very similar in many other European countries.
For what is worth, despite the possibility of it happening, it rarely happens in the House for the party with most votes to actually win fewer seats. And even when it happens, it is not as severe as for example Labour getting 70% of MPs with fewer than 40% of the votes.