DeSantis is so pathetic, it's actually unbelievable. First looking around to see what everyone else answers on the Trump question before raising his hand, and then copying Trump's "you're fired" shtick.
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DeSantis is so pathetic, it's actually unbelievable. First looking around to see what everyone else answers on the Trump question before raising his hand, and then copying Trump's "you're fired" shtick.
To borrow from a @Sweet Square thread. This is pure hypernormalisation. It has all the hallmarks of political people putting their case forward for president, but in reality it's a fecking clown show of unserious, autocratic tv celebrities that think policy making is another epithet comparable to cuckolding. It's an entire room of people competing to feck over everyone and everything.
For me, Vivek had the best line of the night when he said he was not bought and paid for.
Yeah, it's sad. Mostly they rely on spouting shit they don't even believe or know will never be accomplished, just so they can get attention from an electorate that are dumb as balls. Meanwhile the guy that is clearly going to win the nomination chose instead to do an interview with a guy who, in his own words, hates him with a passion.
It's a circus - and DeSantis is the clown.
It's such a stupid format. Really, how much depth can you go into on any issue if you have to answer in 1 minute? It favors soundbites over depth, and that's how we ended up with a candidate like Trump in the first place.
I'd prefer to see the top 2-3 candidates on an hour+ long podcast, each, rather than this. And why even invite Asa Hutchinson, Doug Burgum, and Tim Scott there?
I'd prefer to see the top 2-3 candidates on an hour+ long podcast, each, rather than this. And why even invite Asa Hutchinson, Doug Burgum, and Tim Scott there?
This should be an automatic disqualifier
My Indian brothers will go bonkers if this completely Indian looking guy becomes the POTUS
Shouldn't this thread be moved to the entertainment forum at this point?
Anyone have a link to a video with highlights (preferably as ridiculous as possible) from the debate?
Edit: Oh I see there's a video, but it's only 3 minutes. Is that all the good stuff?
Edit: Oh I see there's a video, but it's only 3 minutes. Is that all the good stuff?
It might be worth just fast forwarding through parts of David Pakman's live commentary on it:
Cheers. I'm not sure I have the stamina to force my way through three and a half hours of it, though.
Maybe Trump was crushed in the popular vote comparatively with Biden but he got 74 million. but he would crush any other president in the XX century
| 2000 | George W. Bush | Rep. | 271/537 | 50.47% | 47.87% | −0.51% | 50,455,156 | −537,179 | Al Gore | Dem. | 54.2% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2004 | George W. Bush | Rep. | 286/538 | 53.16% | 50.73% | 2.46% | 62,040,610 | 3,012,171 | John Kerry | Dem. | 60.1% |
| 2008 | Barack Obama | Dem. | 365/538 | 67.84% | 52.93% | 7.27% | 69,498,516 | 9,550,193 | John McCain | Rep. | 61.6% |
| 2012 | Barack Obama | Dem. | 332/538 | 61.71% | 51.06% | 3.86% | 65,915,795 | 4,982,291 | Mitt Romney | Rep. | 58.6% |
| 2016 | Donald Trump | Rep. | 304/538 | 56.50% | 46.09% | −2.09% | 62,984,828 |
If Biden is not capable to mobilize as many voters as in 2020 (it was being anti trump that mobilized them) everything might happen. Even trump losing 10% of his voters would win him any of the last election but 2008. And that counting the popular vote, not the electoral college that could probably get away with 3 millions less
It's definitely true that he got a lot of votes in 2020, but the comparison to previous elections has to include the fact that there are simply more voters for every new election. There were nearly 30 million more eligible voters in 2020 than in 2008.
This clown shouldn't even be there, but why the feck is he wearing a Israel - US 2 flag pin? He's supposedly running for president of the USA, not Israel.
Oh well, gotta milk those wealthy Jewish donors for what they're worth.
Oh wow that is a big increase, thanks for the factoid
But again, the Obama elections was the highest turn out in a long time. According to wikipedia, the highest since 1968 and substantially surpassed by the 2020.
Trump got nearly 10 millions more in 2020 than 2016 what I find insane seeing how batshit crazy he is. Yes, he might lose independents, what, 5 million of them? he would still have 5 million less than 2020 but 5 million more than 2016 that got him the presidency
The key here, again, is vote suppression which Trump team is good at it. If there is a low to medium turn out, Trump has a good chance to be president again, and Biden with his current image don't seem to me that he will mobilize that many and definitely not as many as 2020 IMO
Tim is 3rd in a poll of likely Iowa caucus goers.
When are the first primary elections?
Also,
Can Kennedy force Biden to go to primaries?
Also,
Can Kennedy force Biden to go to primaries?
So Ron's a robot and a nothing burger.
Vivek's ChaGPT and a climate denier.
Chris Christie is an obnoxiously fat man
Pence is a Christian fundamentalist living in the 5th century
Trump is a crook and a megalomaniac
Biden is a crook and senile
Kamala "speaks in rhyme" and is a complete airhead
Newsome is a good looking guy who's destroyed California
This country, really is fecked with this cast of characters running the show.
Failing cities with un-walkable downtown areas, a rampant drug/tranq/fentanyl crisis, migrant crisis, energy crisis, inflation up the wazoo, mortgages 8% --> good stuff!
Vivek's ChaGPT and a climate denier.
Chris Christie is an obnoxiously fat man
Pence is a Christian fundamentalist living in the 5th century
Trump is a crook and a megalomaniac
Biden is a crook and senile
Kamala "speaks in rhyme" and is a complete airhead
Newsome is a good looking guy who's destroyed California
This country, really is fecked with this cast of characters running the show.
Failing cities with un-walkable downtown areas, a rampant drug/tranq/fentanyl crisis, migrant crisis, energy crisis, inflation up the wazoo, mortgages 8% --> good stuff!
He didn't seem ready for prime time to me. Likeable, but lightweight.
All these guys are running for a cabinet position in a Trump administration imo, they can't win the national ticket - no chance.
Except Christie who likes to be on TV, and Asa who's just fundraising for God knows what.
I'm all for doom mongering when it comes to US elections and especially with Trump but he's lost sizeably more than 10%
Republicans in general have due to the abortion issue, it's not gone away.
America is a race to the bottom.
It certainly seems that way from a few thousand miles away.
He's 1) got serious sociopath tendencies... as in I think he has to pretend to understand human emotions and 2) seems really stressed out. Poor little fella
He has no shot. He's getting pummeled by Trump and the Democrats (who want Trump in the general).
He should drop out of the race. If he does, he might be able to rebuild his image for a future run. He needs to work on his robotic expressions
DeSantis is completely shot. Somehow it seems unreal that he was touted as a serious challenger to Trump not that long ago. He is a charisma void, and sounds like a bog standard politician. It also can't help that while Trump is taking shot after shot at him, he continues to insist on gargling his balls.
Which from this Republican field would have the best shot in a general? Haley had some reasonable (by Republican standards) takes on both abortion and foreign in the debate. Christie could probably get some voters from across the aisle, but is also so hated by the MAGA base, which would be a huge problem - not that either is winning the primary anyway.
praying that gop base racism is enough to keep vivek out. he's a non-human monster, ted cruz 2.0, actively wants the world to end.
I think Vivek nailed the debate. Then only winner out of this. Nikki Halley and Pence did well too, but they are career politicians a.k.a career liars. They don't mean much of what they say.
Vivek is Legit. He is not a climate denier. He is a climate crisis denier. He doesn't think climate crisis is a legitimate existential threat . He also feels that having lofty climate ideals will lead to handing over the economic momentum to countries like China who have zero regards for climate and live in the same world and unless all the actors act in good faith, it is aimed at achieving global equity where whatever conversations that are being allowed to talk on the name of free speech (under the western order) will be snuffed out under an autocratic world order from China.
Also, He feels climate policies and agendas that aim to protect future american children and grandchildren are not protecting their current grandparents from poverty and childlessness. Instead of lazy arm chair criticism, if we dig deeper into the candidates and their policies we can understand and critic them better. The GOP debate is a glitz and doesn't allow these candidates to truly share their ideas and vision.
De Santis comes out as a bot, a pep doll that ticks certain voter sections. There are some really strong conservative minds behind him pushing the agendas through him. He is not a natural leader and frankly doesn't look like someone who is capable of independently talking to anybody on anything.
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Trust me I've seen more videos/podcasts of Vivek in the last couple of weeks than I care to remember. He generally shows well, and comes across as reasonable when is the only guest. Last night, he came across as a bit of an arrogant dickhead. Maybe he "nailed the debate" for people who saw him for the first time, I didn't think he did that well. All the sniggering, the nervous laughing, the gesturing, and the robotic delivery of lines made him come across as Tech Bro 101.
He also lost me when he denied the climate crisis. That's not something I'm ever going to get on board, if someone can't admit that global temperature is rising, oceans are getting warmer, sea level is rising, extreme events are increasing in frequency etc, than might as well put them in the flat earth society bucket.
Bottom line for me is - he's not winning the ticket. Best he could hope for is a place in the ticket as a running mate, or a cabinet role.
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Just listen to your response. You don't discuss any of his policies and outright diss the person - arrogant, sniggering, laughter. That GOP Debate format is such a farce, as it reduces him to just that, a perfect partisan media playbook influencing your average "joe". May be US needs some movie actor or the fake royal types who show composure without substance to swoon the voters heart. Sorry, Vivek is none of that. He is right now the best presidential candidate on either side. I can't see anybody who can change the rut other than him.
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Read my response above (the edited, not the quoted)
It just shows that you haven't watched more of his videos and missed a bunch of them. I want you to check his video on this in detail before commenting wrongly on this. He is not denying climate change. He is a science guy. He says the climate change is not necessarily an existential threat. He says people who are pushing this agenda that the climate change is an existential threat are lobbied people who are bringing policies and regulations that slow down the economy and wreck jobs for average americans who desperately need it to survive amidst rising inflation in food, energy and housing crisis. He says policies formed to protect future americans are harming current americans.
Also he feels, this agenda is not sustained world wide particularly by countries like China, India etc. So these policies are ineffective in protecting the world and is only resulting in a real threat to American Economic dominance (attempts at global equity). Hope this clarifies.
Maybe? so do Biden, he will lose a big chunk as in no way he will get close to the 81 million. they key is who will lose more. Right now Biden has the advantage. One the R primaries ends, the battle for the vote suppression will start
And yes, I love doom mongering, can't help it
Ahem okay, Vivek (or paid intern from Upwork)
That post clarified, if nothing else.
Ignominy of ignorance resulting in ad-hominem. Sorry I called out the truth to educate you.