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VorZakone said:
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Im sorry but some of this identity politics stuff is blown out of proportion much more by the right than the left. I hardly hear any talk about it this election on the left vs the right and we re again talking about a tiny percentage (less than one) of the population. If even a Dem falls for that trap we re much further gone than I had thought.
 
Trump spent more time talking about Harris’ race than she did herself, yet it’s the Democrats that are always accused of playing identity politics.
 
The Harris team debated internally how to respond. Ads the Harris team produced with a direct response to the “they/them” ads wound up faring poorly in internal tests. The ads never ran.
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Redplane said:
Im sorry but some of this identity politics stuff is blown out of proportion much more by the right than the left. I hardly hear any talk about it this election on the left vs the right and we re again talking about a tiny percentage (less than one) of the population. If even a Dem falls for that trap we re much further gone than I had thought.
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It's not necessarily about what Harris said in this election. Her comments from the past were used against her.
About a week after the September debate, Mr. Trump started spending heavily on a television ad that hammered Ms. Harris for her position on a seemingly obscure topic: the use of taxpayer funds to fund surgeries for transgender inmates. “Every transgender inmate in the prison system would have access,” Ms. Harris said in a 2019 clip used in the ad.
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Mike Smalling said:
Biden had a bigger margin with women though. I know, you can't separate all the various reasons, but that's a fact. I think there is still a lot of "Well, a woman can't possibly negotiate with Putin and Xi Jinping" mentality out there, as sad as that is.

Who knows how things go from here. It would be typical if the economy does well under Trump. Inflation has already been brought down, so people may not feel prices increase further, and there are good programs introduced under Biden already. And then he's probably going to drill, baby, drill, which may be good for gas prices.
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Wow, I didn't know that. According to exit polls, Biden got 61% of women age 18-44, while Harris only got 55%.
https://apnews.com/article/election...black-voters-0f3fbda3362f3dcfe41aa6b858f22d12

I'm not sure what that means in terms of raw vote number, but this may have been the difference, right there.

I guess people just assume the economic message impacts working men. It's often women that are seeing the impacts of inflation when shopping.

And the abortion issue, although huge, has already been decided on in many states. Or if it is on the ballot, women (or men) can still vote Trump and no to restrictive abortion regulations. I had read in the run up that Trump didn't say the words "pro life" once in his campaign - quite smart from him.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Trump spent more time talking about Harris’ race than she did herself, yet it’s the Democrats that are always accused of playing identity politics.
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Ain't nobody to blame but the American people. "It's not my fault I'm so stupid, its the dems!" What a copout, get fecked.
 
Giggs86 said:
No convincing needed when it’s clear as daylight. The Democratic Party may be called “the left”, but all they represent is racism, censorship and corruption. No one cares about races and genders, people care about grocery prices and interest rates. They are so out of touch with Americans and it is reflected by them royally losing the presidency, the senate and hopefully the house too. As long as they’re controlled by the Obama mafia they will remain the memes/vibes good for nothing party.
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What has the republican party done for unions again?

Btw, it was "Dear Leader" that simply couldn't stop talking about race all the time, identity politics is a really big thing on the right.
 
gaffs said:
And the abortion issue, although huge, has already been decided on in many states. Or if it is on the ballot, women (or men) can still vote Trump and no to restrictive abortion regulations. I had read in the run up that Trump didn't say the words "pro life" once in his campaign - quite smart from him.
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Just look at Missouri. They voted to enshrine reproductive freedom in their state constitution, and yet Trump carried the state easily by 18 points. Abortion has seemingly lost power as an issue, when it comes to nationwide elections.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Just look at Missouri. They voted to enshrine reproductive freedom in their state constitution, and yet Trump carried the state easily by 18 points. Abortion has seemingly lost power as an issue, when it comes to nationwide elections.
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Yup. Or, it is at least inflation over abortion for many.

2020 it was COVID and racial justice. Every election has it's own issues.
 
gaffs said:
Not heard Latin X for a long time, certainly not from Harris.

Bit of a strange take when the other side are talking like this (video on 5th post) ...

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"Ladies, we need to bite back."

Why did they vote for him? Someone posted a stat a few pages that 46-48% of women voted for him.

A guy who sexually assaults/rapes, who talks about grabbing their pussies, who treats women like shit. In theory, you couldn't find a more repugnant candidate for a woman yet almost half of them were like; "He's my guy."
 
KirkDuyt said:
Turning "the left" into some sort of global boogyman of the working claas is one of the modern world's biggest ironies.

How the feck have rightwing lunatics like Donald fecking Trump convinced so many people they're the working man's friend.

Just. How.
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It's more the far left has made everyone their enemy even Trump is seen as preferable

I have a gut feeling that the far left didnt even vote since nobody is good enough for their views.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Just look at Missouri. They voted to enshrine reproductive freedom in their state constitution, and yet Trump carried the state easily by 18 points. Abortion has seemingly lost power as an issue, when it comes to nationwide elections.
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I’ve never thought about it this way but it’s not surprising when you think of the number of people it directly impacts.

You can probably cut the population in half about 4 or 5 times in terms of gender, religion, age, sexually active, opinions etc

People are self-centred
 
Mike Smalling said:
Just look at Missouri. They voted to enshrine reproductive freedom in their state constitution, and yet Trump carried the state easily by 18 points. Abortion has seemingly lost power as an issue, when it comes to nationwide elections.
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They also voted for Josh Hawley who wasn't in favour of the amendment
 
Shane88 said:
adies, we need to bite back."

Why did they vote for him? Someone posted a stat a few pages that 46-48% of women voted for him.

A guy who sexually assaults/rapes, who talks about grabbing their pussies, who treats women like shit. In theory, you couldn't find a more repugnant candidate for a woman yet almost half of them were like; "He's my guy."
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Money over morals.
 
Sweet Square said:
Others dems have said similar

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I have been speaking to my family who live in the US (Im from Australia), and they have reiterated something similar.

We are of Christian Iraqi background, and historically my family in the US were Democratic voters. They have been living in the US for 35+ years and also believe the Dems no longer represent them. They did not vote in this election cycle (for the first time), and this is because they did not believe their lives would change with Trump or Harris. They don't feel connected to either party. I would say they sit center-left on the political scale.

They didn't want to hear about abortions because they knew that was a state issue now, they didn't like here sitting on the fence with issues. Now they are religious, so I will assume that gender identity would have played a part in their decision. They would have continued to vote Dems if they had clear policies that would have helped the country, instead they believe the focus shifted towards the wrong things.

Now I know that most people on this form are liberal and some will claim that my family are in fact right wing for note voting Harris. And that is okay, because they know they aren't. But it would benefit the Dems greatly to realign what is important to them if they want to win in 2028. They know what it takes to win, they have been in power for 12 out of the past 16 years.

Immigration and the economy is what Harris should have focused on.
 
If costs rises again due to new trade wars, Trump and co will just blame it on after-effects of Biden administration, hammer it home every day, while dems fumbles around.

There isn't going to be any accountability, when people don't even know what tariffs are, or what they do.
 
VorZakone said:
It's not necessarily about what Harris said in this election. Her comments from the past were used against her.
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That specific ad ran non stop during college football commercial breaks. It was unreal. Then, they added a snippet of this convo talking about the ad to later ads …

 
gaffs said:
This ad worked. So did the Sex Change for Prisoners ad.
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It's the same ad. I brought it up in the thread earlier because whenever I traveled outside California the last 2 months I heard it a lot. Putting on my Lakoff hat, it was really effective because it packs several inferences into a single ad. First, the obvious Kamala is for "they/them, Trump is for you". Second, it's implying Kamala and the Dems will misspend/waste your tax dollars. Third, it implies Democrats are soft on crime and care more about prisoners than victims. So it hit a trifecta of cultural wars, weak on crime, and poor at managing taxpayer money. When I heard that ad back to back with Kamala ad mentioning Project 2025, it was clear which ad would be more effective with the majority of undecided voters.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
It's the same ad. I brought it up in the thread earlier because whenever I traveled outside California the last 2 months I heard it a lot. Putting on my Lakoff hat, it was really effective because it packs several inferences into a single ad. First, the obvious Kamala is for "they/them, Trump is for you". Second, it's implying Kamala and the Dems will misspend/waste your tax dollars. Third, it implies Democrats are soft on crime and care more about prisoners than victims. So it hit a trifecta of cultural wars, weak on crime, and poor at managing taxpayer money. When I heard that ad back to back with Kamala ad mentioning Project 2025, it was clear which ad would be more effective with the majority of undecided voters.
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it also hits anti-trans sentiment! perhaps, primarily it hits that. and it worked well.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
It's the same ad. I brought it up in the thread earlier because whenever I traveled outside California the last 2 months I heard it a lot. Putting on my Lakoff hat, it was really effective because it packs several inferences into a single ad. First, the obvious Kamala is for "they/them, Trump is for you". Second, it's implying Kamala and the Dems will misspend/waste your tax dollars. Third, it implies Democrats are soft on crime and care more about prisoners than victims. So it hit a trifecta of cultural wars, weak on crime, and poor at managing taxpayer money. When I heard that ad back to back with Kamala ad mentioning Project 2025, it was clear which ad would be more effective with the majority of undecided voters.
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It is the ad they spent to most money on. It was all over every sporting event - every NFL game, the World Series.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Things like Defund the Police are really stupid though. It’s the sort of thing you’d expect from the MAGA lunatics.
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No one has said Defund the Police this election cycle, and certainly not Harris… Though ironically when people were saying it, it didn’t negatively affect Biden’s vote at all.

This obsession with leftist messaging just seems like frustrated venting. It didn’t really play a huge part in anything. If anything Dems need more outsider rhetoric.
 
gaffs said:
When has a Democrat mentioned any of these phrases in this campaign? Or even in the past four years?

As James Carville said "it's the economy stupid!". All these Monday Morning QB's want to point to everything else but that.
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I mean, Trump and his allies spent half of the campaign on identity politics, but dems are the only ones doing it.

Why are there only standards for one side?
 
Morty_ said:
I mean, Trump and his allies spent half of the campaign on identity politics, but dems are the only ones doing it.

Why are there only standards for one side?
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this isn't about standards, this is an internal factional dispute about who emerges on top in the next iteration of the party (2028).
 
Both sides have standards. They're just different standards.
I think the centre is scorched earth. Basically no one wants to maintain the status quo and have more of the same. The left have to stop cooperating with these weak as piss campaigns and stop letting the democratic leadership foist deadbeat candidates on them.
 
berbatrick said:
this isn't about standards, this is an internal factional dispute about who emerges on top in the next iteration of the party (2028).
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Looks like Newsom is positioning himself as standard bearer of the party by taking a hardline against any federal interference on civil rights. Would be interesting to see how that shake out for his approval going forward as hes out of office by 26. Harris has signaled that she win run for that seat.

None of them are facing up to the NIMBYs issues in blue states though, a lot of the discontent came from rocketing housing cost due to redzoning. Republicans can just point to that and say they cant govern. And they are losing congresional seats/EVs because of it.
 


Just something i found, not that i know what it actually means, i don't know what any poll actually means anymore, considering exit polls said top issue was "democracy", while "everyone" voted Trump at the same time, meh.
 
berbatrick said:
this isn't about standards, this is an internal factional dispute about who emerges on top in the next iteration of the party (2028).
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At this point, it really is a mute debate. The problems that need to be tackled in in 2028, will likely be very different to what they are now.

In 2020 it was Racial inequality and COVID that were the top issues for Biden voters. This year Harris voters said abortion and democracy.
Trump voters said the economy in both 2020 and 2024, which probably tells you where The Democrats need to reclaim ground.
 
gaffs said:
At this point, it really is a mute debate. The problems that need to be tackled in in 2028, will likely be very different to what they are now.

In 2020 it was Racial inequality and COVID that were the top issues for Biden voters. This year Harris voters said abortion and democracy.
Trump voters said the economy in both 2020 and 2024, which probably tells you where The Democrats need to reclaim ground.
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I just don't see how republicans gets blamed for much of anything between now and 2028, they have way better, what you could say, "propoganda" than dems have, they won the mainstream news battle with Fox, internet is largely dominated by right-wing channels, especially on youtube.
 
Morty_ said:


Just something i found, not that i know what it actually means, i don't know what any poll actually means anymore, considering exit polls said top issue was "democracy", while "everyone" voted Trump at the same time, meh.
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Find the people that voted Harris and thought Trump wasn't too conservative. Bizarre.

You have Trump and Elon Musk telling their voters that The Democrats are the threat to Democracy. Musk was telling Rogan that if Harris wins, there won't be any more elections in the US.

No cheating allegations either this time. I guess The Democrats just forgot to sent their illegal immigrants to the polls this year!
 
Morty_ said:


Just something i found, not that i know what it actually means, i don't know what any poll actually means anymore, considering exit polls said top issue was "democracy", while "everyone" voted Trump at the same time, meh.
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