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Thankfully this fecker resigned from the canvassing board. He should resign as a judge as well for so egregiously violating his tenents.

 
The other option was Jared Kushner and Anthony Weiner. Fortunately, good taste prevailed in the end.

Also, the kid knows how to bring the heat.



that is stone cold savage, even for politics. Calling him a crook was *Chef Kiss*
 


If this is true then OH is in play, but FL is very murky.


Have never looked at numbers direcly but saw tweets that Nevada could be a concern, which would make sense given these Hispanic numbers. Also makes Texas tougher.

Long-term trend possibly. (felt a bit of it earlier, here and here)
 
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The other option was Jared Kushner and Anthony Weiner. Fortunately, good taste prevailed in the end.

Also, the kid knows how to bring the heat.


This guy sounds like he could have a good future once he's been elected.
 
Have never looked at numbers direcly but saw tweets that Nevada could be a concern, which would make sense given these Hispanic numbers. Also makes Texas tougher.

Long-term trend possibly. (felt a bit of it earlier, here and here)
I think Nevada is fine, still a few days to get Clark firewall up to 90k, and theoretically you only need 70k anyhow (Clinton won by 25k even with the red wave)

But, since Florida is inert as feck, these Hispanic numbers do favor Trump.

 
How many Americans are going to die voting for a twat that doesn't give a shit about them? Its honestly unbelievable how stupid the vast majority of that country is.

Well, the upside is that whenever you made some major or even a minor mistake in life and you start to doubt yourself -- just remember that there are at least 100 million Americans who are multitudes dumber. Much dumber.
 
I think Nevada is fine, still a few days to get Clark firewall up to 90k, and theoretically you only need 70k anyhow (Clinton won by 25k even with the red wave)

But, since Florida is inert as feck, these Hispanic numbers do favor Trump.


It will be interesting to watch the apparent cleave in Latino voting in the future - the Central American diaspora in Texas, the SW, & California v. the Caribbean diaspora in Florida. It looks like the wall & the separation of families / locking children up plays far more strongly in the former than in the latter.
 
Yes.

what whiskeys

@Carolina Red (and @Rado_N if you are planning on staying up for it) what is your drinks line up looking like?

I’m well stocked currently as our local Walgreens has a heavily discounted liquor store in the back. I’ve 2 bottles of Woodford reserve, half a bottle of Jameson, a bottle of bulleit, the ends of some Makers Mark to finish off, a bottle of four roses and 100 proof old forester (never actually had the last one, but they were practically paying me to take it off their hands...) and I’m taking off Wednesday.
I’ve got 4 bottles of bourbon in the liquor cabinet that are down to 1/4 to 1/5 full. I’ll be working my way through them starting that morning (school is out for Election Day)
 
You believe in heaven and hell?
Oh, of course I do. Don’t you believe in heaven and hell?

No.
Oh, my.

Does that mean I’m not going?
[Laughing.] Unfortunately not!

Wait, to heaven or hell?
It doesn’t mean you’re not going to hell, just because you don’t believe in it. That’s Catholic doctrine! Everyone is going one place or the other.

But you don’t have to be a Catholic to get into heaven? Or believe in it?
Of course not!

Oh. So you don’t know where I’m going. Thank God.
I don’t know where you’re going. I don’t even know whether Judas Iscariot is in hell. I mean, that’s what the pope meant when he said, “Who am I to judge?” He may have recanted and had severe penance just before he died. Who knows?

Can we talk about your drafting process—
[Leans in, stage-whispers.] I even believe in the Devil.

You do?
Of course! Yeah, he’s a real person. Hey, c’mon, that’s standard Catholic doctrine! Every Catholic believes that.

Every Catholic believes this? There’s a wide variety of Catholics out there …
If you are faithful to Catholic dogma, that is certainly a large part of it.

Have you seen evidence of the Devil lately?
You know, it is curious. In the Gospels, the Devil is doing all sorts of things. He’s making pigs run off cliffs, he’s possessing people and whatnot. And that doesn’t happen very much anymore.

No.
It’s because he’s smart.

So what’s he doing now?
What he’s doing now is getting people not to believe in him or in God. He’s much more successful that way.

That has really painful implications for atheists. Are you sure that’s the Devil’s work?
I didn’t say atheists are the Devil’s work.

Well, you’re saying the Devil is persuading people to not believe in God. Couldn’t there be other reasons to not believe?
Well, there certainly can be other reasons. But it certainly favors the Devil’s desires. I mean, c’mon, that’s the explanation for why there’s not demonic possession all over the place. That always puzzled me. What happened to the Devil, you know? He used to be all over the place. He used to be all over the New Testament.

Right.
What happened to him?

He just got wilier.
He got wilier.

Isn’t it terribly frightening to believe in the Devil?
You’re looking at me as though I’m weird. My God! Are you so out of touch with most of America, most of which believes in the Devil? I mean, Jesus Christ believed in the Devil! It’s in the Gospels! You travel in circles that are so, so removed from mainstream America that you are appalled that anybody would believe in the Devil! Most of mankind has believed in the Devil, for all of history. Many more intelligent people than you or me have believed in the Devil.

I hope you weren’t sensing contempt from me. It wasn’t your belief that surprised me so much as how boldly you expressed it.
I was offended by that. I really was.
“Most of mankind has believed in the Devil, for all of history.” Hmm
 
It will be interesting to watch the apparent cleave in Latino voting in the future - the Central American diaspora in Texas, the SW, & California v. the Caribbean diaspora in Florida. It looks like the wall & the separation of families / locking children up plays far more strongly in the former than in the latter.

From all the data I've seen this cycle, it's purely the Cuban population driving the pro-GOP numbers among Hispanic voters in FL. Other non-Cuban Hispanic FL groups are more in line with the rest of the country. Basically, FL is still held hostage by a bunch of Cuban exiles who are unhappy they can't exploit their fellow former countrymen to make every last buck off their backs (or that's what it seems like to me).
 
I’ve got 4 bottles of bourbon in the liquor cabinet that are down to 1/4 to 1/5 full. I’ll be working my way through them starting that morning (school is out for Election Day)
I’ll be there with you. Took both days off and going to tap kegs of home brew tripel and hard cider (for the wife...well and me) to go along with the scotch. One way or another my liver is definitely losing this election.
 
From all the data I've seen this cycle, it's purely the Cuban population driving the pro-GOP numbers among Hispanic voters in FL. Other non-Cuban Hispanic FL groups are more in line with the rest of the country. Basically, FL is still held hostage by a bunch of Cuban exiles who are unhappy they can't exploit their fellow former countrymen to make every last buck off their backs (or that's what it seems like to me).
Thats what I’ve seen also. I’ve heard Qanus horseshit has played well in the Columbian populace, but I doubt it would have been as strong as the Cuban lunacy.

It’s weird, I was very close to a few Cuban-Americans in college (dated a couple, one of my best friends to this day from college is Cuban), they were all first generation Americans, & they were all pretty liberal when we first met. To a person, they all developed their conservative stance later in life. This is not an uncommon occurrence as one typically gets older, to gain more conservative beliefs, but theirs were hardcore shifts due to parental influence & incessant right wing Cuban propaganda in SE Florida. Also to person, they’ve all admitted that they wish they held their liberal views of the past, but they didn’t want to let their families & their culture down by remaining liberal.

Somewhat anecdotal, but totally common down there.

What gets me is the apathy that Puerto Rican voters had in 2018 in voting in the state of Florida. I thought that group would be very keen to vote Democrat back then & even moreso now, they could offset the Cuban vote somewhat. But, it appears the apathy still exists in their ranks.
 
I’ve got 4 bottles of bourbon in the liquor cabinet that are down to 1/4 to 1/5 full. I’ll be working my way through them starting that morning (school is out for Election Day)
What are you polishing off?

I’m going to decant then bigger red wines I’ve chosen for that day on Monday night. Not worth waiting until Biden is declared the winner on Tuesday night / Wednesday morning as the wine won’t be ready to drink immediately upon opening.
 
No sorrow for this idiot leaving The Intercept, hopefully we will never hear from him again...



He also published the emails on his website here:

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/emails-with-intercept-editors-showing

I want Biden to win and maybe I am blinded by this, but it really seems like Greenwald was almost looking for an excuse to resign. There is clear escalation in the tone of Greenwald's initial reply and it almost feels like he is writing the email as a manifesto that he fully intends to publish.

He also posted his proposed article here:

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/article-on-joe-and-hunter-biden-censored

By publishing the emails and the article, I think I better understand the editor's point and there are some issues with the article. Specifically, Greenwald seems to be claiming his thesis is about media suppression when it is really just an attempt to attack Biden. For example, Greenwald says any verification is easy when it seems like sources have been less then forthcoming with their information as media outlets have not been provided access to the hard drives. Greenwald is also raising concerns over Biden's involvement in getting Shokin fired (even though he kind of tries to downplay the obvious justification for firing Shokin) and it might strengthen his argument that the media has not asked enough questions of Biden. But he goes further in heavily implying that Biden acted to purposefully benefit both his son and Burisma rather than just stating that serious questions need to be asked. He basically argues that even if Biden wasn't aware that his actions or name benefitted his son he is still guilty rather than simply arguing that the situation raises serious questions.

The editor's initial email is basically saying that parts of Greenwald's article are justified (ie, media suppression of the Hunter Biden story) but that the accusations against Joe Biden, especially with Ukraine, are pretty baseless.

It is also pretty funny, though I don't want to partake in a whataboutism, that after resigning he quickly went on Tucker Carlson to complain about media support for and bias towards a particular candidate
 
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He also published the emails on his website here:

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/emails-with-intercept-editors-showing

I want Biden to win and maybe I am blinded by this, but it really seems like Greenwald was almost looking for an excuse to resign. There is clear escalation in the tone of Greenwald's initial reply and it almost feels like he is writing the email as a manifesto that he fully intends to publish.

He also posted his proposed article here:

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/article-on-joe-and-hunter-biden-censored

By publishing the emails and the article, I think I better understand the editor's point and there are some issues with the article. Specifically, Greenwald seems to be claiming his thesis is about media suppression when it is really just an attempt to attack Biden. For example, Greenwald says any verification is easy when it seems like sources have been less then forthcoming with their information as media outlets have not been provided access to the hard drives. Greenwald is also raising concerns over Biden's involvement in getting Shokin fired and it strengthens his argument that the media has not asked enough questions of Biden. But he goes further in heavily implying that Biden acted to purposefully benefit both his son and Burisma rather than just stating that serious questions need to be asked. He basically argues that even if Biden wasn't aware that his actions or name benefitted his son he is still guilty rather than simply arguing that the situation raises serious questions.

The editor's initial email is basically saying that parts of Greenwald's article are justified (ie, media suppression of the Hunter Biden story) but that the accusations against Joe Biden, especially with Ukraine, are pretty baseless.
He simply comes across as a pompous cnut whose journalistic integrity is unassailable by those mere editors in a company he founded. You’re right, it does seem as though he was teeing himself up to be obviously disappointed by the meddling editors in order to hoist himself on his own petard, almost like a martyr, it seemed pretty planned. The response from the female editor smacks much of ‘christ almighty, not this horseshit again’ & apparently it wasn’t the first time.

He seems so obtuse & somewhat condensing, like it was a mortal blow that a mere editor actually had the gall to oppose any of his written words. I bet he was an absolute horror with which to work. I found him interesting during all the Snowden revelations, but since then, he has seemed quite the disingenuous prick akin to a Log Cabin republican in this country, acting not out of journalistic betterment but for his own personal beliefs.

He can slink back to Brazil & wrap himself in the loving arms of the jackass in control that of that country. If we never hear from this officious prick, the world would be a substantially better place in which to live.
 
He simply comes across as a pompous cnut whose journalistic integrity is unassailable by those mere editors in a company he founded. You’re right, it does seem as though he was teeing himself up to be obviously disappointed by the meddling editors in order to hoist himself on his own petard, almost like a martyr, it seemed pretty planned. The response from the female editor smacks much of ‘christ almighty, not this horseshit again’ & apparently it wasn’t the first time.

He seems so obtuse & somewhat condensing, like it was a mortal blow that a mere editor actually had the gall to oppose any of his written words. I bet he was an absolute horror with which to work. I found him interesting during all the Snowden revelations, but since then, he has seemed quite the disingenuous prick akin to a Log Cabin republican in this country, acting not out of journalistic betterment but for his own personal beliefs.

He can slink back to Brazil & wrap himself in the loving arms of the jackass in control that of that country. If we never hear from this officious prick, the world would be a substantially better place in which to live.
I get you don't like Greenwald, but that is unnecessary.
 
He also published the emails on his website here:

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/emails-with-intercept-editors-showing

I want Biden to win and maybe I am blinded by this, but it really seems like Greenwald was almost looking for an excuse to resign. There is clear escalation in the tone of Greenwald's initial reply and it almost feels like he is writing the email as a manifesto that he fully intends to publish.

He also posted his proposed article here:

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/article-on-joe-and-hunter-biden-censored

By publishing the emails and the article, I think I better understand the editor's point and there are some issues with the article. Specifically, Greenwald seems to be claiming his thesis is about media suppression when it is really just an attempt to attack Biden. For example, Greenwald says any verification is easy when it seems like sources have been less then forthcoming with their information as media outlets have not been provided access to the hard drives. Greenwald is also raising concerns over Biden's involvement in getting Shokin fired (even though he kind of tries to downplay the obvious justification for firing Shokin) and it might strengthen his argument that the media has not asked enough questions of Biden. But he goes further in heavily implying that Biden acted to purposefully benefit both his son and Burisma rather than just stating that serious questions need to be asked. He basically argues that even if Biden wasn't aware that his actions or name benefitted his son he is still guilty rather than simply arguing that the situation raises serious questions.

The editor's initial email is basically saying that parts of Greenwald's article are justified (ie, media suppression of the Hunter Biden story) but that the accusations against Joe Biden, especially with Ukraine, are pretty baseless.

It is also pretty funny, though I don't want to partake in a whataboutism, that after resigning he quickly went on Tucker Carlson to complain about media support for and bias towards a particular candidate
Greenwald's point is valid. If he had written the same article about Trump, no way do his editors ask him to revise anything.
 
He simply comes across as a pompous cnut whose journalistic integrity is unassailable by those mere editors in a company he founded. You’re right, it does seem as though he was teeing himself up to be obviously disappointed by the meddling editors in order to hoist himself on his own petard, almost like a martyr, it seemed pretty planned. The response from the female editor smacks much of ‘christ almighty, not this horseshit again’ & apparently it wasn’t the first time.

He seems so obtuse & somewhat condensing, like it was a mortal blow that a mere editor actually had the gall to oppose any of his written words. I bet he was an absolute horror with which to work. I found him interesting during all the Snowden revelations, but since then, he has seemed quite the disingenuous prick akin to a Log Cabin republican in this country, acting not out of journalistic betterment but for his own personal beliefs.

He can slink back to Brazil & wrap himself in the loving arms of the jackass in control that of that country. If we never hear from this officious prick, the world would be a substantially better place in which to live.

Glenn is all about Glenn. The fact that like Tulsi Gabbard, he scampers off to Fox to spill his guts should tell you anything you need to know about his writings. They are little more than a vehicle of self-aggrandizement.
 


And another bites the dust.

It’s shocking that anyone, regardless of skin color, would be so idiotic to think that this president has done that much for criminal reform. Save for some high profile releases of inmates who were out there wrongly, he hasn’t done much at all.

It just goes to show how the fascist philosophy of citizens falling more easily prey to the bigger lie is spot on.
 
Not getting your point. It seems to me that Bolsonaro is exactly the type of leader GG would love.
Sorry I thought you were making a crude joke about the death threats he and his husband have received in Brazil for Greenwald's reporting on Bolsonaro's former justice minister.
 
Glenn is all about Glenn. The fact that like Tulsi Gabbard, he scampers off to Fox to spill his guts should tell you anything you need to know about his writings. They are little more than a vehicle of self-aggrandizement.
Agree. He was certainly the media darling in 2013, but his subsequent efforts exposed him for being what you say.
 
Very interesting, read the first Wiki article & will so read the others shortly. Wasn’t aware of this specifically, I was commenting on the leader’s style being close to Trump’s & how GG has become somewhat of a bootlicker for him.

I’m always interested in having my views challenged in constructive ways. Again, thanks!
 
Agree. He was certainly the media darling in 2013, but his subsequent efforts exposed him for being what you say.

he was told on tv that he should be arrested in 2013. i know because i was in the us for the first time in my life in 2013, and he published the snowden NSA leaks at that time, and i saw parts of the fallout.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nwald-go-to-jail-the-law-is-alarmingly-murky/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/david-gregory-glenn-greenwald-crime_n_3486654
 
It’s shocking that anyone, regardless of skin color, would be so idiotic to think that this president has done that much for criminal reform. Save for some high profile releases of inmates who were out there wrongly, he hasn’t done much at all.

It just goes to show how the fascist philosophy of citizens falling more easily prey to the bigger lie is spot on.
Yes. I'm still holding out hope that Nas or Em takes them to the cleaners for it.

(Although it isn't really surprising that lil wayne is doing incredibly stupid stuff).
 
Just read the exchanges between Greenwald and his editor. I thought his editor broke it down very well. There’s definitely been a lack of constructive criticism on Biden and he’s definitely escaped major scrutiny but using this Hunter Biden/Ukraine/Hard drives nonsense that Trump and Giuliani have clearly fabricated is just embarrassing and the editor does a good job of detailing exactly why.

Part of the problem for Trump going up against Biden is that Biden is firmly to the right of centre himself so he can’t very credibly punch left at him and for obvious reasons he can’t punch from the left which is where most of the criticism could have come. They could easily have created and propagated narratives that turn away progressive voters around fracking, his 1994 crime bill and war on drugs and his voting against same sex marriage in the 90s and pointed to these being his true positions on the matters but all that would have done is advertised Biden to the disenfranchised Republicans Trump is desperately trying not to lose.

I thought Greenwald’s reply that he was going to have to take the story to another publisher as it was clearly time sensitive was fairly telling. Greenwald didn’t just want to share his observations and critical analysis of media bias in the 2020 elections, he wanted it to have an influence on the election.
 
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