2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Eboue said:
you should take that one up with raprock obidenbama who cleared the field for joe
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What cleared the field for Joe were people voted for him and not the other candidates.

There is no excuse to not vote for Biden against Trump unless you are truly brainless .

You have a President actively encouraging people to go out and spread a virus that will kill thousands of Americans and yet you want to sulk like a spoilt brat because your Bernie just isnt as popular as you thought
 
lsd said:
What cleared the field for Joe were people voted for him and not the other candidates.

There is no excuse to not vote for Biden against Trump unless you are truly brainless .

You have a President actively encouraging people to go out and spread a virus that will kill thousands of Americans and yet you want to sulk like a spoilt brat because your Bernie just isnt as popular as you thought
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actually its cause i dont want to vote for a right wing rapist who has spent his career helping crediting card companies and supporting the iraq war. thanks for playing though
 
Oh lord. Biden and his team just had to not be specific in regards to China. They should have specified the Chinese government as opposed to China itself. First the cold war rhetoric and now this? Jesus christ. If both supporters of the 2 political parties start to hold these anti-Chinese sentiments I can see Asian Americans suffering more abuse from idiots.
 
Drifter said:
Joe Biden Is NOT The "Lesser Of Two Evils"
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Do you agree with his sentiment?

Personally, I think he's very good at cursing, and very poor at following thoughts through. His answer to the problem appears to be well the system is f*cked so f*ckedy f*ck f*ck.
He also blames Trump on Obama's failings, which is a take I personally don't agree with, I believe Trump succeeded because the GOP are better at gaming the system and leveraging misinformation.
 
senorgregster said:
Yeah, I thought about it and put him on ignore right after. Even though it's liberating it's a shame because I do want to understand opposing views. It's one of the many benefits of this site.
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Very true, though one of the worst things about the site is definitely people circlejerking about how "everyone warned me about person X". It's also becoming apparent that everyone wants to make it perfectly clear that they really, really tried giving person X a chance, but that gosh darnit they still had to ignore them. Everyone warned them, you see.

I'm not naming names because that would be crass, and I pride myself on being the best me that I can possibly be.
 
Beachryan said:
Do you agree with his sentiment?

Personally, I think he's very good at cursing, and very poor at following thoughts through. His answer to the problem appears to be well the system is f*cked so f*ckedy f*ck f*ck.
He also blames Trump on Obama's failings, which is a take I personally don't agree with, I believe Trump succeeded because the GOP are better at gaming the system and leveraging misinformation.
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Yes i agree with his sentiments. Obama promised hope and change ,he was the Bernie Saunders of the time if you will. But once in power he became the same old neoliberal politician . Eight years saw not much change or hope, people living paycheck to paycheck,working more than one job to stay afloat. People were hurt and angry with the current politics. So when Trump came along with his populist ,anti establishment brand of politics ,this appealed to many. Yes there were racists and Evangelicals that latched on to this movement, but there was a lot of those that twice voted Obama , but could not see themselves voting for a continuation of Obama.
 
nimic said:
Very true, though one of the worst things about the site is definitely people circlejerking about how "everyone warned me about person X". It's also becoming apparent that everyone wants to make it perfectly clear that they really, really tried giving person X a chance, but that gosh darnit they still had to ignore them. Everyone warned them, you see.

I'm not naming names because that would be crass, and I pride myself on being the best me that I can possibly be.
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Well it's painfully obvious who you mean :lol: I wouldn't call it circlejerking either. This site rarely does that. There's an amazing breadth of knowledge and opposing views here. Their jesting aside, most can convey those views without being overly obnoxious. Anyhow, I'm moving on and hoping to learn the views of others.
 
Drifter said:
Yes i agree with his sentiments. Obama promised hope and change ,he was the Bernie Saunders of the time if you will. But once in power he became the same old neoliberal politician . Eight years saw not much change or hope, people living paycheck to paycheck,working more than one job to stay afloat. People were hurt and angry with the current politics. So when Trump came along with his populist ,anti establishment brand of politics ,this appealed to many. Yes there were racists and Evangelicals that latched on to this movement, but there was a lot of those that twice voted Obama , but could not see themselves voting for a continuation of Obama.
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Do you believe the lack of change was Obama's fault?
 
senorgregster said:
The governor still had a very positive approval in the same poll :eek:
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He's been consistently polling well since getting elected. Before the virus came along, the conventional wisdom was that he was doing better than most expected, which was largely down to Trump's support and a strong economy. This is also why he's rushing to reopen beaches and businesses, which may spectacularly backfire in the end.
 
Raoul said:
He's been consistently polling well since getting elected. Before the virus came along, the conventional wisdom was that he was doing better than most expected, which was largely down to Trump's support and a strong economy. This is also why he's rushing to reopen beaches and businesses, which may spectacularly backfire in the end.
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Let's hope he doesn't end up killing thousands unnecessarily.
 
Drifter said:
Yes i agree with his sentiments. Obama promised hope and change ,he was the Bernie Saunders of the time if you will. But once in power he became the same old neoliberal politician . Eight years saw not much change or hope, people living paycheck to paycheck,working more than one job to stay afloat. People were hurt and angry with the current politics. So when Trump came along with his populist ,anti establishment brand of politics ,this appealed to many. Yes there were racists and Evangelicals that latched on to this movement, but there was a lot of those that twice voted Obama , but could not see themselves voting for a continuation of Obama.
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They are all forced to change (except Trump) once they get to the White House. Sanders would be no different in this regard as he wouldn't ever get anything passed if tried to remain a rigid socialist.
 
If Biden doesn't make any mistakes and stick to his message he has I think. Hillary was much more unpopular than Biden. Now that most people realise how terrible Trump is I feel Biden can win. I don't like him and think Bernie would have been the better choice but it is the lesser of two evils now.

Incidentally what would happen if Biden is not able to run? Whom would the Democrats chose at the convention then?
 
senorgregster said:
Yeah, I thought about it and put him on ignore right after. Even though it's liberating it's a shame because I do want to understand opposing views. It's one of the many benefits of this site.
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I have been told a lot of Bernie fans and Trump fans behave the same way ignorant to anyone else's point of view and more than willing to cut their own nose off to spite their face .

Have to say it does seem very true there is little difference between them.

The stupid names they give people they don't like is just the start of the comparisons
 
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In Rainbows said:
Do you believe he deserves no blame?
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Everytime he tried to change something he was voted down. What exactly was he supposed to do about that?

It is a crazy system in my opinion that someone can be President yet his party can be a minority .

Anyone who honestly believes Sanders would have been able to get any of his policies through in the situation is delusional
 
lsd said:
I havd been told a lot of Bernie fans and Trump fans behave the same way ignorant to anyone else's point of view and more than willing to cut their own nose off to spite their face .

Have to say it does seem very true there is little differrnce between them.

The stupid names they give people they don't like is just the start of the comparisons
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Hopefully not a lot and rather just a few (including many fake ones on Twitter). I'm very fortunate to have a very good elderly friend who was a huge Sanders supporter. I mention elderly because he is heavily involved in politics and he called Bernie the best possible candidate in his lifetime back in 2016. I learned a lot from him about Bernie's movement and was glad to do so. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, my views align far more with Bernie than Biden. What's interesting is my friend switched this year. We were due to have lunch and discuss why he switched. I'm sure he'd vote Bernie if he was the nominee. Going to be an interesting discussion for sure, just like many on here.
 
senorgregster said:
Do you believe the lack of change was Obama's fault?
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Yes.
1. He got his cabinet vetted by Citibank: https://newrepublic.com/article/137798/important-wikileaks-revelation-isnt-hillary-clinton
2. He listened to his more conservative advisors constantly. Krugman, a defender of his, admitted that his side was constantly overruled on stuff related to the bank bailout. His team decided to bail out the banks and not homeowners. He appointed a lawyer with ties to Wall Street as AG and together they decided not to prosecute Wall Street.
3. He and the party played a double game regarding the public option: https://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/
4. He reached out to Republicans long after it was clear they were not interested in compromise, since he personally believed that politics must be done in a certain way: https://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/...ma-worried-too-much-about-republican-opinion/ (article by a pretty rabid Warren supporter)

This is a long post by an Obama and Democratic party organiser about how he unravelled everything they had built in 2008.

I still remember when many of them flipped. After getting burned by the government in 2010/11 in Wisconsin and Ohio, they were desperate for any hope. These are people who founded county parties, drove old people to the polls in places where everyone lives 30-90 minutes away from them, and got even up 55% majorities of voters in counties that hadn't gone to a Democrat since JFK, or for some, FDR. After all this movement they brought to the parties, they were welcomed with Obama's opening budget salvo in 2011: A cut to many of the rural programs they enjoyed, the most profoundly uncomfortable of which was the heating oil program which many elderly residents relied on to not die in places that are freezing 3+ months of the year straight, and cuts to rural medical reimbursements that scared a lot of people who had MCPs, Badgercare, and Medicare. That's when it started. These people had been working in one of the most impressive grassroots movements we've seen, but they suddenly felt they were fed a raw deal, and they became yet another group that was part of Obama's lost army. When 2012 rolled around for the presidential elections many of these parties had lost steam. Some lost outright, some held onto counties by the skin of their teeth despite a near total abandonment by the DCCC, but in the end they all became dismayed. When 2016 came around many of these counties had literally zero interaction with the DNC and DCCC despite attempts to, and almost unanimously they felt the party that was abandoning them before no longer thought they existed.
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There is also the fact that Tea Party refusal to take a minor tax hike for major spending cuts, alongside a Bernie-led crusade, is what saved social security from cuts Obama and Biden proposed.
 
lsd said:
I have been told a lot of Bernie fans and Trump fans behave the same way ignorant to anyone else's point of view and more than willing to cut their own nose off to spite their face .

Have to say it does seem very true there is little difference between them.

The stupid names they give people they don't like is just the start of the comparisons
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What is even the point of making this comparison? It's not the racism, it is that which makes Trump supporters bad. :lol: I know that's not your intention so forgive me, but I just found it ridiculous that people keep going back to any little similarity with Trump supporters as a way to beat someone up online.

Also, the centrists act the same way. Just search khive or just follow anything the anti-Bernie crowd does. They act the same way. Difference is that they don't have the media machine hyping up the zealous fans like Sanders supporters do. It's not unique to any candidate. And if you do find such large numbers acting that way online, that's more of a sign that Bernie has way more of his supporters online because Bernie was much more popular with the younger generation.
 
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