I don't agree with their conclusion either, but that's not the same as claiming that they have "lost all credibility". Which they surely might have, but mostly not because of this. Buttigieg did well, according to the numbers, and as someone who needs to do well to have any chance at all, that might be interpreted as winning the debate.
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I don't agree with their conclusion either, but that's not the same as claiming that they have "lost all credibility". Which they surely might have, but mostly not because of this. Buttigieg did well, according to the numbers, and as someone who needs to do well to have any chance at all, that might be interpreted as winning the debate.
All true, but not saying it can be interpreted as a sign that she doesn't really fully believe in it. If she's afraid of saying that taxes might increase, how willing is she going to be to actually go through with it? In these kinds of primary contests is the job of the journalist to try to get candidates to commit, to highlight the differences between them. The moderators did the same with other candidates about other topics, such as repeatedly asking Beto (Or was it Buttigieg?) whether or not he would send troops back to Syria, when he was being evasive and talking about supporting the troops in Iraq.
When did saying a specific line become a qualifier for their commitment when what she is saying means the exact same thing but without the negative connotations of "raising taxes"? I'm sure she and her team know that there is still a deep stigma about socialism here. And "raising taxes" can be indirectly or directly equated (disingenuously) to socialism. Bernie can say "It will raise taxes to get M4A" without a problem as he already calls himself a democratic socialist. As much as I like Bernie and as much as I would love to see him as the President, the word socialist will give him trouble with a lot of voters in the general election. So, I think its a good tactic not to get associated directly with socialism to win the general election. I know if Warren is nominated, the republicans will still run ads calling her a socialist, but I understand her not wanting to add fuel to the fire.
Is Sanders naive for admitting that taxes will go up?
Look, whether you say it or not, dumb ass Rs will cast you as someone who will raise your taxes. Trump did it to Hillary. I think Warren comes out of this in a slightly worse light.
Look, whether you say it or not, dumb ass Rs will cast you as someone who will raise your taxes. Trump did it to Hillary. I think Warren comes out of this in a slightly worse light.
Politicians who say they will raise taxes generally don't do well. Mondale famously did it in 84 and lost 49 states to Reagan.
Her Dem rivals are baiting her into giving away a sound bite that would be fodder for an eventual opponent in the General.
She’d do wise to avoid it, same as she played it right not vowing to ban Donald from Twitter like Kamala wanted her to.
He didn't win the debate, this narrative these clowns push right after it's over that XYZ 'won' is agenda driven bullshit. So Mayor Buttchug is the runaway Dem nominee then? Because reading the headlines it would seem so.
The way I see it, is there's Sanders and Warren championing progressist policies, there's Biden championing centrist policies as clear front runners. Mayor Buttchug and Amy Klobuchar hope Biden falters so that they can get a share of his wallet and votes. They're not competing with Sanders/Warren yet and judging by polls looks like Sanders/Warren seem to have the hearts of minds of the Democratic Party.
The BBC has a tier system on the winners/losers: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50061719
They think from the front-runners Warren/Sanders won, and Biden lost.
Middle of the pack Mayor Pete won, Kamala lost.
Amongst the stragglers, Klobuchar, Booker won everyone else lost.
And that's fair and reasonable.
Yeah but he would have probably lost anyway? Was that the main reason he got swept against an incumbent?
Would that fodder be effective though? I guess it's better safe than sorry but Bernie just flew on that grenade
Mondale was a weak candidate to begin with and his campaign style didn’t make things any easier.
we've been through this with obama already. its not bro-ish to be skeptical of someone who has hedged and conditioned at every turn.
If she cannot give a straight answer about how to pay for it, it is open to interpretation.
To say the GOP will use the sound bite is pretty lame.
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If Biden implodes by November/December, I can foresee opportunity for a centrist to emerge, like Bloomberg or ahem Hillary.
I bet she's thinking about running (and losing) again.
I bet she's thinking about running (and losing) again.
Her favs among Dems is horrendous, hard to run if you don’t have a base.
Over half of Dems still value ‘electability’ the most, and HRC making that case....(!).
Anyway, Biden will most likely stick it out until Super Tuesday, run out of money and behind in delegates, and that will be that.
This guy needs to drop out
He’s like the younger male version of Marianne Williamson at this point.
Beto's hair wasn't all grey before was it?
Agree though. Guy needs to cut his losses. Give him a script and have him go around the country supporting a legitimate candidate instead.
Agree though. Guy needs to cut his losses. Give him a script and have him go around the country supporting a legitimate candidate instead.
He has really damaged his chances of getting the VP slot. Ever since that Vanity Fair piece was published, its gone downhill for him.
Her argument makes no sense. He’s not talking about taking weapons away from people that are already mass murderers; he’s talking about taking action to remove military grade assault weapons.
This of all things is what we’re hanging this weak Kennedy clone out to dry for? FFS...
And feck mayor Pete.
I'm glad everyone now hates buttchug as much as I do
Do you love. Gillenbrand though?
wait I remember. she's the broad who dropped out when it was clear she had no chance. Then you look at the likes of buttchug, orourke, booker, and klobuchar and you have to admit that gillenbrand displayed some real leadership. presidential leadership even, many people are saying. look out for her in 2028.
Wow, quite the cnut Kentucky’s governor is, hadn’t heard many of those stories before.
you can just go ahead and assume that all republicans are cnuts
She’s right to avoid saying she’d raise taxes because that’d be all over the republicans ads and twitter feeds.
As an aside; there were 4 of us from work today at lunch, 3 voted Trump and will again. Taxes came up, the poor quality of the Dems candidates, etc.
You don’t need to give the repubs much to work with but they’ll hammer it home if you do.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/democrats-are-winning-the-fundraising-race-in-the-senate/
It's primary season so of course the RNC and Trump can just go gangbusters raising money. The democrats will raise more than enough money once a single candidate emerges from the pack. It's far more important to put forth good candidates and good policies and follow through on those policies than simply focusing on raising money anyways.
Just throw that fact checker thing in the trash.
I would vote Gillebrand over everyone but Sanders, Warren and Gabbard in this race.
His problem is that liberals only get animated about gun control immediately after mass shootings. Conservatives on the other hand, are always paranoid about losing gun rights, so despite Beto being right on the issue, him making this a centerpiece of his campaign isn’t gaining him much traction, at a time when NRA stooges like the tweeter are using it to galvanize and fundraise for the right.
It is such a disingenuous question.
Her admitting it is a one way ticket to losing control of the conversation. The journalists asking the question know what they're doing.
I am not so sure. I think she is right to reply by saying overall costs will go down. Sanders has done what you guys want Warren to do but which media company have you heard discussing about the overall costs?
The only people frustrated with her not giving a straight answer are the ones waiting to use it against her.
The who healthcare debate is bullshit. Any progressive is already on the defensive.
Imo, this is a problem with the left on a bunch of issues. Abortion when RBG gets sick, Judges when the Senate jam a nomination through, voter suppression when the GOP steals another race.
This fecking guy:
Obama's VP
Thats a fantastic cartoon 
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