2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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roseguy64 said:
People will stay in until they don't qualify for the next debate.
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10 have qualified .... 2 more look likley to do so
If 11 qualify it's back to 2 debates not one
And if you qualify for the 3rd you automatically qualify for the 4th

Next debate after that is January with Iowa at the start of Feb

Could well be 12 people still in at that point
 
sun_tzu said:
10 have qualified .... 2 more look likley to do so
If 11 qualify it's back to 2 debates not one
And if you qualify for the 3rd you automatically qualify for the 4th

Next debate after that is January with Iowa at the start of Feb

Could well be 12 people still in at that point
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2 debates of 6 people is much better than 2 with 10 so I welcome it
 
berbatrick said:


what does this one even mean?
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The biggest red flag here is that Biden is making all these gaffes while we are still very early in the election season. Imagine the gaffes and blunders he'll be making when the primaries are in full flow.
 
Fergies Gum said:
The biggest red flag here is that Biden is making all these gaffes while we are still very early in the election season. Imagine the gaffes and blunders he'll be making when the primaries are in full flow.
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Its nothing new though. He's been making them for years.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Yes, and that’s why he’s flopped hard every time he ran for president.
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I've not heard hi before but this time around he's slurring his words and messing up the very basics. Was it always this bad? Because for me this goes beyond "gaffes".
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Yes, and that’s why he’s flopped hard every time he ran for president.
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88 was a completely different situation that was tied more to his staff and their role in copying an old Kinnock speech. 08 was never going to happen due to Hilary and the unexpected emergence of Obama. This iteration of Biden is completely different from anything we’ve seen in previous runs and the fact that he continues to lead shows that everything he’s previously said or done is already baked into people’s perceptions of him.

He’s also benefiting from the fact that people desperately want Trump out at a time when the rest of the field is full of weak candidates.
 
At this stage they should just cut the field to Biden, Warren, Sanders.

Harris has no base and nose-dived after one exchange with Tulsi in the last debate. Her candidacy is like wet tissue paper.

Buttigieg, Beto, Booker are complete jokes. They are such non-players that they shouldn't even qualify for the next debate. 3-5% after all this time, pfft go away.

Take it down to 3, make the progressives choose Warren or Sanders and then go 1v1. If biden is going to win, might as well make it quick so his brain melting can be normalised by MSM as "just a funny quirk". :wenger:

What a choice, centre-right corrupt democrat with cognitive decline vs an autocratic, fascistic, likely syphilis-brain riddled reality star. :lol:
 
Raoul said:
88 was a completely different situation that was tied more to his staff and their role in copying an old Kinnock speech. 08 was never going to happen due to Hilary and the unexpected emergence of Obama. This iteration of Biden is completely different from anything we’ve seen in previous runs and the fact that he continues to lead shows that everything he’s previously said or done is already baked into people’s perceptions of him.

He’s also benefiting from the fact that people desperately want Trump out at a time when the rest of the field is full of weak candidates.
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The fact that he continues to lead (with a polling average from 35% down to 28%) is because he’s been dickriding Obama, and the later is still immensely popular with the base. Not because people actually paid enough attention to forgive his brain melting every time he opens his mouth.

That alone won’t save him in the coming months, though, because voters ultimately need to trust that their candidate can win, and general election H2H hypotheticals can’t cover for his dreadful public appearances forever.

Plus, you know, it isn’t as if Obama put out a statement through his handlers to the NYT saying he didn’t want Biden to run, warned him against it and didn’t believe he could win.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
The fact that he continues to lead (with a polling average from 35% down to 28%) is because he’s been dickriding Obama, and the later is still immensely popular with the base. Not because people actually paid enough attention to forgive his brain melting every time he opens his mouth.

That alone won’t save him in the coming months, though, because voters ultimately need to trust that their candidate can win, and general election H2H hypotheticals can’t cover for his dreadful public appearances forever.

Plus, you know, it isn’t as if Obama put out a statement through his handlers to the NYT saying he didn’t want Biden to run, warned him against it and didn’t believe he could win.
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His lead has nothing to do with anything he's done or hasn't done. People simply want to beat Trump and currently view him as the most stable and known choice to do that (which could of of course change). He's also leading because there are no major powerhouse candidates like Hillary or Obama in the mix. Everyone else running at the moment is viewed as in some way uniquely problematic to winning.
 
So if it could change then his ‘gaffes’ are most likely not ‘baked into’ people perception after all.

It’s a vacuous talking point. Most people know of Biden as Obama’s VP, the 28% who support him wouldn’t even be close to have a majority who followed Biden’s political career enough to know he puts his foot in his mouth on a daily basis. We have not had scientific polling on that particular but what we do have to back up the idea is that Biden’s and Sanders’s supporters are among the least engaged voters.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
So if it could change then his ‘gaffes’ are most likely not ‘baked into’ people perception after all.

It’s a vacuous talking point. Most people know of Biden as Obama’s VP, the 28% who support him wouldn’t even be close to have a majority who followed Biden’s political career enough to know he puts his foot in his mouth on a daily basis. We have not had scientific polling on that particular but what we do have to back up the idea is that Biden’s and Sanders’s supporters are among the least engaged voters.
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A more logical way to look at it is that if his gaffes were an issue in the past and he failed because of them, then he wouldn't be leading in every poll in the present.

The reality is all of that is baked in to people's knowledge of him. They know he talks like the drunken uncle at the annual Christmas party and are still supporting him because they think he has the best chance of winning. If his electability was in any way not perceived as a winning proposition, then he wouldn't be the leader of the pack, since his policies are clearly nothing to get excited about.
 
THe GE is a completely different matter.

Trump will run full on immigration.
Biden will have to rebut him. He cannot go Trump lite which he will be tempted to.
Most importantly Biden has no policies to offer except to say we will go back to what Obama offered.
That failed spectacularly the last time.

Biden will lose.
 
If Biden gets the nomination then it's four more years of Trump.

He's a knock-off, less charismatic Obama with similar policies to both him and Hillary. A continuation of something that was emphatically rejected in 2016 (yeah, she won the popular vote but Trump is President and think of all those that didn't vote because she was the choice).

Either go full Warren/Sanders or don't fecking bother.
 
The Democratic party is not morally superior to the Republican party.
Their chosen candidate is willing to work with Republicans who have worked with a man who has subverted this country to a foreign power.

What the Dems are counting on is the revulsion of voters against Trump.

It may work. But nothing will change and another worse demagogue will come in four years.
 
Trump at least as a challenger in Joe Walsh . But most of the backers are behind Trump.


 
Drifter said:
Trump at least as a challenger in Joe Walsh . But most of the backers are behind Trump.


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If you’re reading this, I’m betting it’s because, like me, you’re a brave American and you love this country.
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That's me!

I couldn't find any policy positions, though. I guess it doesn't really matter when this is all a publicity stunt.
 
Joe Walsh looks a suspicious lot like Epstein. I bet those dastardly Clintons killed him and reanimated him to foil Trump's next campaign by having him run against him. I mean it's obvious. Both Walsh and Epstein have an s in it.
 
Sanders or Warren, don’t really care which one. Biden is Hilary 2.0 and would be a complete repeat of last time. He has no policies other than being Obama’s VP and is the equivalent of a trophy wife President.

Can you vote for primaries from abroad? I’m a Florida resident living in London and want to ensure I vote this time. Was living in NY in ‘16 so no real consequence of voting.
 
Red Dreams said:
THe GE is a completely different matter.

Trump will run full on immigration.
Biden will have to rebut him. He cannot go Trump lite which he will be tempted to.
Most importantly Biden has no policies to offer except to say we will go back to what Obama offered.
That failed spectacularly the last time.

Biden will lose.
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It has happened at last. A post of RD that I wholeheartedly agree with
 
Biggest thing from that Monmouth poll



We can debate all day about whether their voter screens for this poll is off or not, but this is a crystal clear pattern (backed up by other pollsters).
 
Raoul said:
Its nothing new though. He's been making them for years.
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He's been making gaffes for a long time, but extra focus is being paid on the slip ups because of questions around his age and whether he's physically and mentally up to the task of being president.
 
Fergies Gum said:
He's been making gaffes for a long time, but extra focus is being paid on the slip ups because of questions around his age and whether he's physically and mentally up to the task of being president.
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It's a good point. Ultimately, people need something to look forward to and the fact that he doesn't have policy positions could be a massive problem that will dwarf whether or not he thinks NH is Vermont. Warren is looking like the one who would do it.
 
Eboue said:


bernie pivoting to first was just baked in
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who knew being an awful candidate that is running an entire campaign off trying to create a self-fulfilling prophecy is not going to remain popular.:lol:

Saying people should vote for you because the polls say people should vote for you.....and having NO policy is not a winning strategy. :lol:

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