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To be fair to its a weird one. She's definitely a black woman or at least half Black. African slaves were brought to Jamaica just like the USA. So obviously she has as much African heritage as any other black person in America, just that her ancestors cut sugar came instead of picking cotton.

So I don't see what the hell people are on about. She grew up in USA being exposed to the same racial issues every other black person in the USA was subject to.

It's not like black people in my country that never really had to deal with racial segregation like Americans did in the USA. She went through it and has all right to identify as a true black person of America. I can see a vast difference between her and for instance a person like Ilhan Omar who had different struggles and different racial exposure growing up as a black woman in Somalia

It’s a long standing Republican campaign tactic (I.E. dirty trick). Hit opponents on whatever they’re strongest on. If they’re African-American and have good racial justice credentials then they’ll hit them on ancestry, so when they talk about racial justice, there will be an immediate reaction from GOP voters of ‘we’ll shes not really AA anyway!’. With Bernie it’ll be about him being rich now and therefore a hypocrite. Etc etc repeat ad nauseum.

They’ve been doing this shit for years.
 
In other news, I just had a staunch conservative I went to school with tell me how much he hates “socialism” and believes it will destroy the country.

He’s employed by the county parks department. He draws a paycheck financed by taxes and has insurance through the state of South Carolina.

I called him a real life Ron Swanson. He’s stopped responding now.

That’s what we’re fighting against in 2020.
 
In other news, I just had a staunch conservative I went to school with tell me how much he hates “socialism” and believes it will destroy the country.

He’s employed by the county parks department. He draws a paycheck financed by taxes and has insurance through the state of South Carolina.

I called him a real life Ron Swanson. He’s stopped responding now.

That’s what we’re fighting against in 2020.
I’m in a coffee shop right now and listening to other young people talk about how Joe Biden had an obviously good career and has the best chance of winning. Kill me
 
Williamson now echoing Yang’s comments about the mics being turned off at certain times for certain candidates at the debate. Pretty fecked up.
 
Williamson now echoing Yang’s comments about the mics being turned off at certain times for certain candidates at the debate. Pretty fecked up.
Official line is they turned it off when several people were talking over each others.

That’s fecked up regardless, that job should fall to the moderators and if they couldn’t then the live and tv audiences will decide for themselves.
 
So sick of corporate media trying to push their agenda and not allow a fair discussion

 
In the end policies matter. Bernie will prevail.
I cannot wait till February to caucus for him.
They do but Bernie is good at connecting with the underdog mentality in all of us. I always feel the most inspired by his tone and message compared to the other candidates.
 
So sick of corporate media trying to push their agenda and not allow a fair discussion


Is that proof ? Also why didn't he shouts up as soon as he noticed it ?

Yang platform is hardly progressive or such a threat to the current state of things(Yang is against a living wage and UBI at the moment is a right wing idea to kill the welfare state).

If we can all hear Socialist in the debate chances are we could of heard Yang.
 
Is that proof ? Also why didn't he shouts up as soon as he noticed it ?

Yang platform is hardly progressive or such a threat to the current state of things(Yang is against a living wage and UBI at the moment is a right wing idea to kill the welfare state).

If we can all hear Socialist in the debate chances are we could of heard Yang.
UBI a right wing idea :lol:
 
UBI a right wing idea :lol:

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/06/andrew-yang-universal-basic-income-presidential-election
Andrew Yang correctly identifies many social issues stemming from capitalism and wealth inequality. Poor citizens face worse health outcomes, negotiation positions with employers, educational attainment, a sense of personal fulfillment, and other problems. He acknowledges that capitalism is the problem.

But his policy responses to this fact won’t even substantially reform capitalism, much less upend it. Yang gives a vision of “human-centered capitalism” that will prioritize the well-being of average people and maximize social welfare. But his version of UBI does nothing to weaken capitalists’ power.

Yang himself often points out that $12,000 a year is not enough to survive; recipients will obviously need additional income. That’s not necessarily an argument against UBI in any form. But he seeks to fund his program in part by carving out social-welfare programs, leaving beneficiaries to fend for themselves with just their UBI stipend. This problem is compounded by his plan to implement a value-added tax (VAT), a consumption tax that is regressive at its worse and reduces UBI’s efficacy at its best.

Andrew Yang’s philosophical approach to UBI mirrors Milton Friedman’s thinking: individuals are better suited to fund their personal needs than the government. This version of UBI abandons a society-wide effort to address large-scale social issues, relying instead on individual, personal choices that play out in a free market. His program reduces the power of the state to intervene in the market and thus its ability to curb the deleterious effects of capitalism.


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https://medium.com/basic-income/why...ed-a-guaranteed-income-5-reasons-da6e628f6070
 
Is that proof ? Also why didn't he shouts up as soon as he noticed it ?

Yang platform is hardly progressive or such a threat to the current state of things(Yang is against a living wage and UBI at the moment is a right wing idea to kill the welfare state).

If we can all hear Socialist in the debate chances are we could of heard Yang.

It's proof his mic was turned off when Gillibrand's wasn't for no legitimate reason. Its just another subtle way they reinforce the candidates they prefer over ones they don't that are outside their clique.
 
It's proof his mic was turned off when Gillibrand's wasn't for no legitimate reason. Its just another subtle way they reinforce the candidates they prefer over ones they don't that are outside their clique.
Again if this was the case(Which I don't think the video shows for certain)then you stop the debate and tell the moderators your mic isn't working.
 
Well I’m not trying to upend capitalism let alone in a single election so the first article doesn’t resonate with me, but I see their point.

The second article is supposed to prove what? Who cares if Friedman likes the idea? UBI is inherently a good idea while markets are still a thing. It’s an opt out plan so the most vulnerable can still keep their benefits, and the rest of us who can’t qualify for benefits but are still struggling could benefit greatly from the extra income. That being said, I’m open to other options of funding a UBI that is in addition to benefits. Whatever way we can effectively tax large corporations, the better.
 
Well I’m not trying to upend capitalism let alone in a single election so the first article doesn’t resonate with me, but I see their point.
Er......ok but doesn't make a certain type of UBI any less right wing.

The second article is supposed to prove what? Who cares if Friedman likes the idea? UBI is inherently a good idea while markets are still a thing. It’s an opt out plan so the most vulnerable can still keep their benefits, and the rest of us who can’t qualify for benefits but are still struggling could benefit greatly from the extra income. That being said, I’m open to other options of funding a UBI that is in addition to benefits. Whatever way we can effectively tax large corporations, the better.
Me ? Because I'm trying to show you how UBI can be a right wing idea.

Also just on the Yang policy what about disabled people who are struggling even though they are getting benefits ? That part of Yang policy just seemed cnutish for no real reason.
 
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Yang either froze. Or just had no real opinion on other subjects outside of what he as said in many other venues.
 
Er......ok but doesn't make a certain type of UBI any less right wing.


You - Haha how can UBI be a right wing idea

Me - Milton Freidman supported a form of UBI

You - Who cares what Milton Freidman thought


Again you laughed at the idea that UBI could be a right wing idea which clearly it can be.


Also what about the disabled people who are struggling even though they are getting benefits ? That part of Yang policy just seemed cnutish for no real reason.
MLK supported UBI. It literally takes the state to intervene in the market through taxation to give money to people. If anything, that idea at worst lies in the center of the spectrum, not that we should be religious about left or right. A good idea is a good idea.

Disabled people would first be on full coverage Medicare on the premise that Yang’s major policies become law. So that reduces a lot of bloat that disability benefits help pay. But that’s only for people with invisible disabilities like me. There would have to be an exception for those who are unable to work so that’s a good point you raised.
 
It matters if you laugh at it being called a right wing idea.

Friedman was a lassez-faire capitalist.
Can we have a better explanation than this one guy liked it? You can’t have UBI without government intervention and increased taxation, a no-no in the libertarian philosophy.
 
Can we have a better explanation than this one guy liked it? You can’t have UBI without government intervention and increased taxation, a no-no in the libertarian philosophy.
It’s a bit more than “this one guy liked it”.

Friedman was the economist for an entire generation of Conservatives. He’s a Nobel laureate.
 
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Yeah I get that, but it doesn’t hold water if there are leftists who support it and right wingers who oppose it.
It is an idea that can be both right wing AND left wing.

It depends on what you’re going to do along with the UBI.

Friedman promoted the UBI as a way to do away with all other forms of social welfare and allow the people to do with the money as they pleased. That definitely does fit in with the libertarian mindset.
 
The big four will be Biden, Sanders, Harris and Warren.

Biden was only leading because of the Obama factor. Now he's under scrutiny, the only way is down.

That'll leave Sanders, Harris and Warren. I tend to think that Bernie's age will work against him, whilst the gender of the other two will work in their favour given the current cultural climate.

I said about 3 years ago that I expected Warren to be voted President in 2020. I think that's still a strong possiblity, but Harris is really coming up on the rails right now.

Either Warren or Harris would wipe the floor with Trump in a debate, but Harris is better at passionate - but pragmatically grounded - rhetoric. That seems to appeal to the Facebook generation quite a lot these days. If I were a betting man, I'd stick a tenner on her right now.
 
It is an idea that can be both right wing AND left wing.

It depends on what you’re going to do along with the UBI.

Friedman promoted the UBI as a way to do away with all other forms of social welfare and allow the people to do with the money as they pleased. That definitely does fit in with the libertarian mindset.
I see your point. Yang’s version has its similarities but it’s not a like for like because it still doesn’t actually do away with welfare and benefits. And it was rightfully critiqued by Sweet Square for not including an exception for disability, which you’d hope a more Democratic Congress would add on to that. But even as it currently stands, Yang’s UBI would do way more good than harm in my opinion.

What I also laugh at is this way of painting Yang as some right wing hack because it simply ignores so many of his policies that expand the role of government to benefit the people.
 
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