2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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I get what you're saying but I think you can strike a better balance than just broadcasting to millions that Biden is a socialist and that that's a valid reason for not voting for him.

Isn't This American Life sort of "documentary" style reporting? In that case, the entire premise is to capture people as they are. They aren't broadcasting that Biden is a socialist and that that's a valid reason for not voting for him, they're broadcasting that this one person thinks that Biden is a socialist and that that's a valid reason for not voting for him. It might seem like semantics, but it's pretty crucial to this kind of reporting.
 
What's the reason for that? Is it the relatively large amount of "socialist" dictators in South American history making the "all dems are socialist" shtick resonate with them?
That was supposed to explain the Florida/Miami/Cuban vote. But if it's nationwide, it can't hold as the only explanation.
Some combination of: Trump signing $1200 cheques, Trump wanting the economy to re-open, and religious conservatism. Other explanations have to reckon with the fact that both Obama and Hillary (the former was called a socialist too) did much much better with Hispanics.
 
Isn't This American Life sort of "documentary" style reporting? In that case, the entire premise is to capture people as they are. They aren't broadcasting that Biden is a socialist and that that's a valid reason for not voting for him, they're broadcasting that this one person thinks that Biden is a socialist and that that's a valid reason for not voting for him. It might seem like semantics, but it's pretty crucial to this kind of reporting.
I suppose you could call it that and in general I guess they want the people they speak with to tell the stories, but they do have commentary and critical questions at times as well. For instance in an episode about the Hong Kong protests they pretty explicitly said "yeah, some of the stuff in this episode will be pretty racist" when describing how some of the people they spoke with talked about Chinese people. So they're definitely capable. But maybe they want to leave stuff closer to home alone. Or maybe the political discourse in the States is just completely bereft of nuance and partisan enough that it barely registers as a strange opinion.
 
Regarding latinos, I see a phenomenon with portuguese and brazilians that may also happen in that case. People who emigrate for economic reasons tend to exaggerate how things are back home. I see some brazilians in portugal who describe brazil ha being completely overrun by fascists, also some portuguese who leave portugal painting the current left wing government as being the second coming of bolshevism.

These people who achieve some financial success tend to be politically active, very outspoken and use some of their money in politics. These communities tend to have their own bubbles, that's why I don't think it's surprising seeing so many latinos buying the idea that their former countries are socialist and so are democrats because they are the left in the US context.
 
I think some Republican voters are going to be turned off from voting Republican again following these overt attempts to overthrow the election result. Trumpism is going to damage the GOP a lot from here on in.
It seems the opposite. Conservatives will vote R no matter what. While Democrats in wanting healthy opposition in government will vote GOP.
 
It seems the opposite. Conservatives will vote R no matter what. While Democrats in wanting healthy opposition in government will vote GOP.

Most will, a small minority won't.

But the bigger factors will be (a) changing demographics that shrink ever further the Trumpite base.; and (b) the bitter war inside the GOP that is now starting to break out, with QAnoners - and assorted other crazies - vowing to destroy the party for having "betrayed" Trump.

I'll call the next Presidential election as a win for the Dems right now. And if Trump is chosen as the GOP candidate in that election, then that Democratic win will be a blow-out landslide.
 
Most will, a small minority won't.

But the bigger factors will be (a) changing demographics that shrink ever further the Trumpite base.; and (b) the bitter war inside the GOP that is now starting to break out, with QAnoners - and assorted other crazies - vowing to destroy the party for having "betrayed" Trump.

I'll call the next Presidential election as a win for the Dems right now. And if Trump is chosen as the GOP candidate in that election, then that Democratic win will be a blow-out landslide.
Unfortunately, as soon as Biden is inaugurated, the Republicans will start complaining about tanned suits, how EOs are unconstitutional, how the democratic president/congress is increasing the deficit and other relatively small-time bs in comparison to this administration and even that small minority will fall back in line.
 
Unfortunately, as soon as Biden is inaugurated, the Republicans will start complaining about tanned suits, how EOs are unconstitutional, how the democratic president/congress is increasing the deficit and other relatively small-time bs in comparison to this administration and even that small minority will fall back in line.

True although one cannot underestimate the incumbency advantage, which I totally feel played a part in Trump getting more votes this time compared to 2016. People like to stick with what they know often, which is incredibly frustrating when it works against you.
 
Most will, a small minority won't.

But the bigger factors will be (a) changing demographics that shrink ever further the Trumpite base.; and (b) the bitter war inside the GOP that is now starting to break out, with QAnoners - and assorted other crazies - vowing to destroy the party for having "betrayed" Trump.

I'll call the next Presidential election as a win for the Dems right now. And if Trump is chosen as the GOP candidate in that election, then that Democratic win will be a blow-out landslide.
That'd be nice but I'm not so sure. If the GOO retain their Senate majority, they will likely block everything they can; Cruz is already talking about simply blocking all Biden appointments. That way, Biden wouldn't be able to get nothing done, which obviously wouldn't be his fault, but it'd be very easy to spin it that way by the GOP. That would not play well in the centre where the pragmatic voters are, and the Dems can't afford to lose those wiith these small elections margins.

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I might be wrong, but I also thought US Hispanics are relatively likely to be devout Christians whose values align much better with the GOP than the Dems - if the GOP didn't have such a strong white nationalist attitude.
 
I might be wrong, but I also thought US Hispanics are relatively likely to be devout Christians whose values align much better with the GOP than the Dems - if the GOP didn't have such a strong white nationalist attitude.

It's certainly one reason, but they resolutely stayed away from the less nationalistic party of McCain and Romney.
 
That'd be nice but I'm not so sure. If the GOO retain their Senate majority, they will likely block everything they can; Cruz is already talking about simply blocking all Biden appointments. That way, Biden wouldn't be able to get nothing done, which obviously wouldn't be his fault, but it'd be very easy to spin it that way by the GOP. That would not play well in the centre where the pragmatic voters are, and the Dems can't afford to lose those wiith these small elections margins.


I might be wrong, but I also thought US Hispanics are relatively likely to be devout Christians whose values align much better with the GOP than the Dems - if the GOP didn't have such a strong white nationalist attitude.
Religion is probably in the top two reasons for all such Hispanics who currently vote GOP, probably number one in most.
 
Why don't they have the riot police out in force, like they did when the unarmed protesters were on the streets not that long ago? It's incredible that these delusional people can legally carry huge rifles and guns.
Skin tone is wrong for riot policing.
 
Why don't they have the riot police out in force, like they did when the unarmed protesters were on the streets not that long ago? It's incredible that these delusional people can legally carry huge rifles and guns.

What do you think riot police get up to in their spare time?
 


Authoritarians begging for a coup. Can you imagine how close to Armageddon this would be if there wasn't a complete buffoon in the white house?
 
Wait so the War on Christmas is real? Who'd of thunk it!

I know the Dems are too interested in moving forwards and reconciliation and healing - and they're probably right if not least to deprive these crazies of oxygen - but I'd love at least some action taken against those openly calling for sedition.
 
So, what sort of time do they announce the Electoral College's 'decision'? I'm itching for another nail in Trump's coffin.
 
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Authoritarians begging for a coup. Can you imagine how close to Armageddon this would be if there wasn't a complete buffoon in the white house?

What the feck even even is that tweet? Mocking the idea that Trump is attempting a military coup, then asking for a military coup? How can someone be so disconnected from their own words?
 
What the feck even even is that tweet? Mocking the idea that Trump is attempting a military coup, then asking for a military coup? How can someone be so disconnected from their own words?
When you consider your side to be earnest and right there is no hypocrisy because the alternative is evil and wrong that it must be defeated at all costs. For these people Biden win is the end of world and therefore must be prevented by any means necessary.

That's my unacademic, unqualified opinion.
 
What the feck even even is that tweet? Mocking the idea that Trump is attempting a military coup, then asking for a military coup? How can someone be so disconnected from their own words?
In their defence (urgh), I think they mean that it isn't a military coup when Trump does this, it's a necessity to save proper democratic process.
 
I might be wrong, but I also thought US Hispanics are relatively likely to be devout Christians whose values align much better with the GOP than the Dems - if the GOP didn't have such a strong white nationalist attitude.

Again, I am sure this is a factor, but the data doesn't add up. 2008, 2012, and 2016 produced very good Hispanic numbers for Obama and Clinton. Those were years when there were more(!) religious Hispanics compared to today.

In 2009, 57 percent of Hispanics called themselves Catholic; it was only 47 percent in 2019. Only a small percentage of that can be attributed to joining other churches or religions – the number of Hispanics identifying as Protestant only rose from 23 in 2009 to 26 percent in 2017 (although the 2019 data showed 24 percent, the earlier survey is probably more thorough); and the number describing themselves as belonging to non-Christian religions rose from 1 percent to 3 percent. However, those describing themselves as atheist, agnostic or “nothing in particular” increased from 16 to 23 percent.

https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-u...cs-in-u-s-no-longer-catholic-new-study-finds/

I think it is very convenient for the party to focus on religious conservatism to the exclusion of all else, same as they focused on Trump supporters' racism to the excusion of al else, and some segments focused on black male misogyny to explain the drop in numbers there.
 
Again, I am sure this is a factor, but the data doesn't add up. 2008, 2012, and 2016 produced very good Hispanic numbers for Obama and Clinton. Those were years when there were more(!) religious Hispanics compared to today.



https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-u...cs-in-u-s-no-longer-catholic-new-study-finds/

I think it is very convenient for the party to focus on religious conservatism to the exclusion of all else, same as they focused on Trump supporters' racism to the excusion of al else, and some segments focused on black male misogyny to explain the drop in numbers there.
Yeah, that bit doesn't compute. This subsection of Hispanics should have been more at ease with McCain or Romney than with Trump now.

I didn't mean to say this is the factor for Hispanic voters though; just to add one to the factors that people had been listing already. And that might also be feed into what you're saying above: there are lots of groups within the Hispanic group (as within every population group; which often have to defined blurrily anyway, as groups overlap in many ways). And every individual will decide depending on their personal life philosophy, station in life, and current circumstances; the presidential candidates; and everything that's happening in their communities, cities, states and US in general, in the country of their ancestors or their own emigration, and in the world as a whole. I know this is pretty obvious - but that's the issue with these demographic reductions: every step up where we're folding more people into a group, the group's definition becomes either less accurate (less applicable to each individual) or more general (to the point of meaningless). I have no idea where the happy medium is, but I do feel a lot of discussion on electoral groups are too reductionist (e.g., discussions about political preferences of 'Black people' or 'Hispanics' as a uniform block; or of how racism was the factor in Trump's 2016 win), and hence don't really mean much.
 
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