2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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MackRobinson said:
That was more tongue and cheek but I think people should realize Latinos are not a monolithic group in the US. For instance, in states from California to Texas along the US-Mexico border Latinos absolutely despise Trump. Nevada and Arizona used to be solidly red. Texas, where I'm from, is rapidly moving towards becoming a toss-up state. The rhetoric against illegal immigrants was one of the dumbest political calculations I've seen in a while.
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I also think its naive to assume all minorities are incensed by strong rhetoric against immigration - for a lot of them immigration is also a concern. Heck, in the UK I know plenty of minorities who voted for Brexit primarily motivated by immigration.
 
The tv networks are like a herd of Zebra itching to cross the Mara river, but waiting for the first brave one to set foot in the water without getting devoured by crocs
 
Ubik said:


The feck, Vermont?
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I live in Vermont. It's arguably the bluest state of all and has the highest percentage of Biden voters. The state legislature is so democrat/progressive that they recently had enough votes to overturn a veto from the governor on climate change. But Scott is popular and moderate (for a Republican) and the voters like how he has handled Covid-19. Vermont has the lowest incidence of cases and deaths and was recently called out by Fauci as an example to the rest of the country. Also, New England states vote solid Democrat for congress and president but like Republican governors for some reason - look as well at NH, MA, CT. It's a strange one.
 
Apologies for self quoting, but this thread is moving fast and I assume someone can answer this... anyone got a quick summary for me? It seemed bananas in the movie.


UnrelatedPsuedo said:
No better place to ask, but I watched The Ides of March last night.

Regarding Ohio’s DNC Primary process... am I right in understanding that Republicans can cast votes for which Democrat Candidate they prefer.

Ive got a loose understanding of the four year process, but didn’t quite understand if the above was true. Or if I’ve missed something.

Appreciate detail or a concise link to read from an American.
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Steve Bruce said:
You got to be kidding, bbc is a Liberal left outlet that claims to be neutral
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I find watching Fox a bit confusing, at times I went an hour thinking that this could be a reasonable (though of course with a Republican bias) news coverage, a few people even calling out the Trump BS so clearly that I was beginning to think they have officially turned on him. But then there are segments that are just blunt propaganda. Especially those segments where they on one hand invite a ranting Republican to a panel, who can say whatever they want and then pair them with a Democrat who is barely allowed to finish two conesecutives sentences without either a guest or host talking over them and as soon as they are about to make powerful point anyway they just shut them down completely for something "urgent".
 
Kaos said:
I also think its naive to assume all minorities are incensed by strong rhetoric against immigration - for a lot of them immigration is also a concern. Heck, in the UK I know plenty of minorities who voted for Brexit primarily motivated by immigration.
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I agree that this link is not one that is as straightforward as it seems. People need to remember that immigrants who vote are at least 5 years (minimum time on green card to get citizenship), but often longer, removed from the point of lets call it "maximum risk" in their journey to becoming citizens which is while your status is that of a non-immigrant or your green card application is still awaiting adjudication. I do think that after that a lot of that ugly human instinct that we see so often of "oh, I waited and jumped through all the hoops, so now everyone else needs to also" kicks in and they don't give half a shit about other immigrants.
 
V.O. said:
My personal favourite is the moral victory they're trying to claim on the basis that Trump didn't lose as badly as the polls reckoned he would. :lol:
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Honestly I think the media is to blame for driving this narrative too much.

Step back for a moment and consider that more people than ever voted for Biden as President and Trump's loss in popular votes compared to 16 is far greater. Why the feck should I care about how close it was and oh lets be nice bc so many people still voted for Trump while so many more even than last time did NOT vote for the guy. How about they talk about that?
 
Sometimes I wonder why the Republicans are so afraid of "socialism". There are so many developed countries in the world that practice some forms of socialized medicine, with certain drugs, medical procedures that are covered by the government or government insurance and are given to citizens for low price or for free. Go for private healthcare if you are rich or have private insurance for better care.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
What has swung it so far to the Dems? Are there specific reasons?
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They counted in person voting first and then mail on/absentee votes after. So all the votes they had to count since Tuesday were massively in Bidens favor because Trump told Republicans for months not to vote early or vote by mail, that its fraud or whatever else. So now thats coming back to screw him over.
 
do.ob said:
I find watching Fox a bit confusing, at times I went an hour thinking that this could be a reasonable (though of course with a Republican bias) news coverage, a few people even calling out the Trump BS so clearly that I was beginning to think they have officially turned on him. But then there are segments that are just blunt propaganda. Especially those segments where they on one hand invite a ranting Republican to a panel, who can say whatever they want and then pair them with a Democrat who is barely allowed to finish two conesecutives sentences without either a guest or host talking over them and as soon as they are about to make powerful point anyway they just shut them down completely for something "urgent".
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I agree. I switched over a couple days ago just to see what the other side were saying and at first I was ok, this isn’t so bad. And then suddenly it just changed into brainwash mode.
 
groovyalbert said:
Haha I was thinking that we as Utd fans are really missing a great trolling moment/moment of exposure to bombard Trump tweets with GLAZERS OUT replies.

Bet we could bait him into jumping onside without having a clue what it means :lol:
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That would be amazing. Someone make him think the Glazers are behind the fraud!
 
bosnian_red said:
They counted in person voting first and then mail on/absentee votes after. So all the votes they had to count since Tuesday were massively in Bidens favor because Trump told Republicans for months not to vote early or vote by mail, that its fraud or whatever else. So now thats coming back to screw him over.
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Democrats could say they were thinking of the voters and that there is a pandemic going on, Trump doesn't care less about them.
 
Who wants to bet on whether Republicans will now consider restricting mail voting as a way of voter suppression? I know mail in ballots were more popular this year because of Covid, but it’s clear that I think it did help democratic turnout.
 
FahadiHossein said:
Sometimes I wonder why the Republicans are so afraid of "socialism". There are so many developed countries in the world that practice some forms of socialized medicine, with certain drugs, medical procedures that are covered by the government or government insurance and are given to citizens for low price or for free. Go for private healthcare if you are rich or have private insurance for better care.
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They don't want to pay higher taxes.
 
FahadiHossein said:
Sometimes I wonder why the Republicans are so afraid of "socialism". There are so many developed countries in the world that practice some forms of socialized medicine, with certain drugs, medical procedures that are covered by the government or government insurance and are given to citizens for low price or for free. Go for private healthcare if you are rich or have private insurance for better care.
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Its not so much a worry, more a useful stick to beat the opposition with by tapping into the fears from the cold war in order to scare voters. If you remove the 'socialist' connotations, I'd wager many republican voters would actually respond favourably to certain 'socialist' policies. If Trump took the Obamacare plan, simply renamed it 'Trumpcare' and changed absolutely nothing, you'd be certain they'd lap it up.

A bit like how much of the Labour's policies from their manifesto in the last UK general election were well received, but their leader wasn't.
 
FahadiHossein said:
Sometimes I wonder why the Republicans are so afraid of "socialism". There are so many developed countries in the world that practice some forms of socialized medicine, with certain drugs, medical procedures that are covered by the government or government insurance and are given to citizens for low price or for free. Go for private healthcare if you are rich or have private insurance for better care.
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I think most of it is the lingering ghost of cold war indoctrination.
 
FahadiHossein said:
Sometimes I wonder why the Republicans are so afraid of "socialism". There are so many developed countries in the world that practice some forms of socialized medicine, with certain drugs, medical procedures that are covered by the government or government insurance and are given to citizens for low price or for free. Go for private healthcare if you are rich or have private insurance for better care.
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I can't talk about the subtleties of American politics, but I think at the very least it's a stick to beat the Dems with, a fear to stoke and politically that's probably much more valuable than bettering the life of lower income citizens, some of whom may only have voted for you in the first place, because they are so desperate.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
What has swung it so far to the Dems? Are there specific reasons?
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The votes, you mean? Postal votes.

Trump specifically told his voters not to send their ballots by mail as he didn't trust the postal services. The "downside" is that when significantly more mail votes are for Biden, then you can't really trust the early results. Particularly in grey states. Covid-19 has caused this weirdness. Under regular circumstances, Biden would have been announced yesterday. If not 2 days ago...
 
surf said:
I live in Vermont. It's arguably the bluest state of all and has the highest percentage of Biden voters. The state legislature is so democrat/progressive that they recently had enough votes to overturn a veto from the governor on climate change. But Scott is popular and moderate (for a Republican) and the voters like how he has handled Covid-19. Vermont has the lowest incidence of cases and deaths and was recently called out by Fauci as an example to the rest of the country. Also, New England states vote solid Democrat for congress and president but like Republican governors for some reason - look as well at NH, MA, CT. It's a strange one.
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Thanks, I guess it was the margin and it being Sanders' state that threw me off.
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Apologies for self quoting, but this thread is moving fast and I assume someone can answer this... anyone got a quick summary for me? It seemed bananas in the movie.
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Not sure on the rules of Ohio particularly, but in open primaries people can vote in whichever primary they want (or both), whereas in closed you have to be registered to that party. There are then varieties of semi-open and semi-closed that are somewhat in between. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_election#Types
 
Kaos said:
Its not so much a worry, more a useful stick to beat the opposition with by tapping into the fears from the cold war in order to scare voters. If you remove the 'socialist' connotations, I'd wager many republican voters would actually respond favourably to certain 'socialist' policies. If Trump took the Obamacare plan, simply renamed it 'Trumpcare' and changed absolutely nothing, you'd be certain they'd lap it up.
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Yep, this was borne out in Florida. Won't vote for evil communist Joe Biden, but an increase to the minimum wage passes without a problem. :lol:
 
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