2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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It' s FAKE FAKE FAKE !!!

So who yaarl gonna vote in for the next round of psychotic madness ?

Seriously..... wakey wakey !
 
I had to pop out so I just finished the full Hillary speech now... she judged the tone quite well, had good jokes that went close to the line but didn't piss off the audience and finished it very well.

The Donald, on the other hand... the one about "Hillary sitting there pretending she doesn't hate catholics" was so spectacularly poorly-judged. It has the whiff of Bannon, Ailes and Trump sitting together going "hur hur hur" as they concocted it, not realising how bloody awful it was.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Hillary at the start when he touches her, "nice job, nice job!" :lol:

Some good zingers, "I'm sure Hillary is going to laugh a lot tonight... sometimes even at an appropriate moment".

The problem is he comes off as awfully mean-spirited, especially later on. Oh, and narcissistic of course. Ploughing through the jokes when the boos start - there's three or four in a row that are just awful. There's an awful moment when the jokes are dying and he says, "Now, Hillary isn't laughing as much as the rest of us"...



"I've taken a break from my vigorous nap schedule to be here... and it's lucky for you too, because I usually charge so much". Actually, she got lots of great zingers in.
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:lol: That was a lot more entertaining than I thought it would be. Even Hillary was funny. The look on Giuliani's face when Hillary joked about him cracked me up.

Shame Trump's speech had to end in such a negative way.
 
Uniquim said:
:lol: That was a lot more entertaining than I thought it would be. Even Hillary was funny. The look on Giuliani's face when Hillary joked about him cracked me up.

Shame Trump's speech had to end in such a negative way.
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He just really, really misjudged the tone. He went for his stump schtick after some poorly judged jokes and deflated everything that had come before it.
 
Great article in the Economist about the (somewhat) undeserved hate Hilary gets.

Covers a lot of ground, but the key section;
Both Clintons were flawed. Yet the ferocity of such barrages reflected something more: the deep fault-lines the couple were straddling. The first baby-boomer president and his pushy wife represented a cultural shift that much of America feared. “She was not only a baby-boomer but a strong woman, which was felt by some to be a threat,” says Robert Reich, labour secretary in Mr Clinton’s administration. The obvious inference, that Mrs Clinton’s unpopularity was fuelled by sexism, has always annoyed her critics almost as much as she has. But it is otherwise hard to explain the gap between the measured criticism Mrs Clinton’s behaviour has sometimes invited and the unbridled loathing that has shown up in its place.

It was also apparent in the fact that Mrs Clinton’s standing improved after the revelation of her husband’s canoodling with Ms Lewinsky. Recast as a wronged woman, a less threatening female archetype, she seemed more likeable. Moreover, the criticisms most often levelled at Mrs Clinton are plainly sexist. She is said to be “shrill”, “ambitious” and, in the gutter where Mr Trump fills his opposition files, deviant.
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I've asked repeatedly in this thread why some people hate her so much, there's never been a satisfactory answer.
 
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Which one will be put in charge of the final solution while Trump makes America great again. I would say Tiffany, she is ready to take her place at the right hand after years of being the other sister. Don Jr. will be the quintessential dictators son, paying Phil Collins millions that he stole from Medicaid to play his hits on holidays and birthdays. Eric will take the national and state zoos where they will be used for pay to play hunting and the feeding of journalists to the lions. Ivanka will flee to Argentina with her family whe Donald Sr. demands they conceive to keep the bloodline pure. Melanie is given as a concubine to Putin as a sign of obedience. Baron turns out to be a nice young man who has learned from the mistakes of the family and turns the family courses in to golf for all, or turns in to the rainmaker from that movie Looper.
 
GiddyUp said:
Which one will be put in charge of the final solution while Trump makes America great again. I would say Tiffany, she is ready to take her place at the right hand after years of being the other sister. Don Jr. will be the quintessential dictators son, paying Phil Collins millions that he stole from Medicaid to play his hits on holidays and birthdays. Eric will take the national and state zoos where they will be used for pay to play hunting and the feeding of journalists to the lions. Ivanka will flee to Argentina with her family whe Donald Sr. demands they conceive to keep the bloodline pure. Melanie is given as a concubine to Putin as a sign of obedience. Baron turns out to be a nice young man who has learned from the mistakes of the family and turns the family courses in to golf for all, or turns in to the rainmaker from that movie Looper.
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:lol:
 
GiddyUp said:
Which one will be put in charge of the final solution while Trump makes America great again. I would say Tiffany, she is ready to take her place at the right hand after years of being the other sister. Don Jr. will be the quintessential dictators son, paying Phil Collins millions that he stole from Medicaid to play his hits on holidays and birthdays. Eric will take the national and state zoos where they will be used for pay to play hunting and the feeding of journalists to the lions. Ivanka will flee to Argentina with her family whe Donald Sr. demands they conceive to keep the bloodline pure. Melanie is given as a concubine to Putin as a sign of obedience. Baron turns out to be a nice young man who has learned from the mistakes of the family and turns the family courses in to golf for all, or turns in to the rainmaker from that movie Looper.
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ThierryHenry said:
Great article in the Economist about the (somewhat) undeserved hate Hilary gets.

Covers a lot of ground, but the key section;


I've asked repeatedly in this thread why some people hate her so much, there's never been a satisfactory answer.
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It's not really because of sexism. It's more that she's seen as an embodiment of everything people hate about mainstream politics.

For example, Morning Consult actually did a poll on this issue, finding that people saw her as being untrustworthy, corrupt, someone who changes her position when it is politically convenient to do so and out of touch with regular Americans. In fact Trump (who was even less likeable than her) was viewed more positively on all those points.
 
senorgregster said:
Wow. That's not expected is it? High white percentage with a heavy dem favor?
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Its just first day so the numbers could be completely skewed due to a lack of sample size/data. If its like that after a week or 10 days, then its very good for the Dems.
 
senorgregster said:
Wow. That's not expected is it? High white percentage with a heavy dem favor?
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Dems always do much better in in person early voting. The overall number of ballots cast is down (both sides), but I've seen anecdotal accounts about not enough polling places opened this week compared to '12.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Hillary at the start when he touches her, "nice job, nice job!" :lol:

Some good zingers, "I'm sure Hillary is going to laugh a lot tonight... sometimes even at an appropriate moment".

The problem is he comes off as awfully mean-spirited, especially later on. Oh, and narcissistic of course. Ploughing through the jokes when the boos start - there's three or four in a row that are just awful. There's an awful moment when the jokes are dying and he says, "Now, Hillary isn't laughing as much as the rest of us"...



"I've taken a break from my vigorous nap schedule to be here... and it's lucky for you too, because I usually charge so much". Actually, she got lots of great zingers in.
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:lol: Cheers for posting them mate, I wasn't well last night and these have cheered me up no end. Especially Drumpf doing what he does best and going too far and falling flat on his face again. What a muppet. I kept waiting for, and it would have been hilarious for Drumpf to grab the microphone off Hillary when she was dissing him and just shout "WRONG" :lol: but alas sadly that didn't happen, had to make do with Rudy's face though which was priceless! :lol:
 
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Might not be complete figures, however.
 
sullydnl said:
It's not really because of sexism. It's more that she's seen as an embodiment of everything people hate about mainstream politics.

For example, Morning Consult actually did a poll on this issue, finding that people saw her as being untrustworthy, corrupt, someone who changes her position when it is politically convenient to do so and out of touch with regular Americans. In fact Trump (who was even less likeable than her) was viewed more positively on all those points.
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But that's ridiculous, Trump should be significantly worse off on all of those scores. The fact that the email scandal has gotten 100 times more airtime than Trump's longstanding history of screwing over suppliers should be in and of itself a scandal, and failure of the media's reporting. To quote the article again...

The problem was that 193 e-mails containing classified information were exposed to Mrs Clinton’s private server, which was not permitted. Yet the FBI, predictably, concluded Mrs Clinton’s offence was not premeditated, a usual condition for a prosecution in such cases. In the annals of political misdeeds, future historians will not pause on Mrs Clinton’s e-mails long. But they will marvel at how an exaggerated belief in her malfeasance almost created the conditions for Mr Trump to seize the White House.

What, in the end, is fuelling that belief? Mrs Clinton’s political failings and the insurgent mood are plainly contributing. Yet, even if you are inclined to judge Mrs Clinton harshly, it is hard not to conclude that latent sexism is a bigger reason for her struggles. With his feel for America’s worst instincts, Mr Trump sought to arouse a misogynist repulse to Mrs Clinton from the start. When she left a debate stage during the primaries to use the lavatory, he called it “disgusting”. A tweet reading “If Hillary can’t satisfy her husband what makes her think she can satisfy America?” was retweeted from his Twitter account (naturally, he said he knew nothing about it).
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Similarly, if there's a rationale answer to why men hate her significantly more than women do, I'm yet to hear it.
 
The whole voting process in a US presidential election appears to be quite different to the one in Germany, hence my questions:
  1. At the time of registration to vote, is it obligatory or voluntary to disclose an affiliation with a party?
  2. Why is it requested or encouraged at all?
Thanks.
 
ThierryHenry said:
But that's ridiculous, Trump should be significantly worse off on all of those scores. The fact that the email scandal has gotten 100 times more airtime than Trump's longstanding history of screwing over suppliers should be in and of itself a scandal, and failure of the media's reporting. To quote the article again...



Similarly, if there's a rationale answer to why men hate her significantly more than women do, I'm yet to hear it.
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I'm with you on this, however I think there's a lot of blame to go around. One reason is Hillary clinton herself is paranoid about people out to get her fueled by the 15 years of being targeted by the right. This makes her defensive on many issues where she doesn't need to be and keeps digging a bigger hole for herself.
 
Crossie said:
The whole voting process in a US presidential election appears to be quite different to the one in Germany, hence my questions:
  1. At the time of registration to vote, is it obligatory or voluntary to disclose an affiliation with a party?
  2. Why is it requested or encouraged at all?
Thanks.
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1) Varies by state. Some allow you to pick "independent" others make you chose a party.
2) Again it varies by state, it depends a lot on the states rules for voting in primaries. In most states you can only vote in one parties primary. In some states you can only vote in the primary of the party you are registered with. In others you can chose which primary you vote in, but can only vote in one for that year.
 
fishfingers15 said:
I'm with you on this, however I think there's a lot of blame to go around. One reason is Hillary clinton herself is paranoid about people out to get her fueled by the 15 years of being targeted by the right. This makes her defensive on many issues where she doesn't need to be and keeps digging a bigger hole for herself.
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Definitely agreed - though it's probably close to 30 years by now.
 
JustAFan said:
1) Varies by state. Some allow you to pick "independent" others make you chose a party.
2) Again it varies by state, it depends a lot on the states rules for voting in primaries. In most states you can only vote in one parties primary. In some states you can only vote in the primary of the party you are registered with. In others you can chose which primary you vote in, but can only vote in one for that year.
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Thanks a lot. I had forgotten that not just party members vote in the primaries.
 
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