2016 US Presidential Elections | Trump Wins

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DiseaseOfTheAge said:
As much as I find the almost religious following some have of 538 a bit odd, I can't imagine Silver being willing to change anything based on who owns the company. He strikes me as too obsessive for that.
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Its politics + sports + math, its where the nerdy kids get together to talk about the cool subjects. It feels like home. Don't dare take my 538 away!
 
Matt Drudge has been tweeting about veracity of the 165 mph winds in Florida due to the hurricane. Apparently all a government ploy to hype up the storm and increase climate change fears. fecking hell, this country is going to the dogs and the nutters are taking over.
 
That's my parents not me

fishfingers15 said:
You are as bad as Grinner's aunt. Nate Silver's company makes money by being able to predict correctly. Not every left leaning publication is to bash Trump. You think that Nate Silver has been calling polls correctly for about 6 to 8 years now and ESPN bought it in 2013 because Trump will decide to run in 2016 so that they can get their chance to bash him? feck's sake.
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Billy Blaggs said:
That's my parents not me
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As you were then :(

My dad is a reasonable guy, very straight forward and all but has some abhorrent views when it comes to women rights. Thinks rape is because how women dress up and first questions why a girl is out partying midnight when such tragedy occurs. We've had many disagreements over this but the guy just won't change
 
This cannot be legal surely... He's off incitin' yet again


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...er-watch-effort-could-get-the-gop-in-trouble/
There are any number of problems with this, again starting with the fact that the frequency of in-person voter fraud in elections is lower than getting five numbers right in the Powerball. But there's a potentially bigger legal problem noted by election law expert Rick Hasen of the University of California at Irvine: Trump's unnecessary effort could be violating a prohibition against voter intimidation that applies to the Republican Party.

In 1981, the Republican Party rolled out a voter-integrity effort in New Jersey that mirrors what Trump demanded in Altoona. As described in a legal ruling about the prohibition:

The RNC allegedly created a voter challenge list by mailing sample ballots to individuals in precincts with a high percentage of racial or ethnic minority registered voters and, then, including individuals whose postcards were returned as undeliverable on a list of voters to challenge at the polls. The RNC also allegedly enlisted the help of off-duty sheriffs and police officers to intimidate voters by standing at polling places in minority precincts during voting with “National Ballot Security Task Force” armbands. Some of the officers allegedly wore firearms in a visible manner.

(Trump in Altoona: "We have to call up law enforcement. And we have to have the sheriffs and the police chiefs and everybody watching. ... The only way they can beat it in my opinion — and I mean this 100 percent — if in certain sections of the state they cheat, okay?")

The Democrats sued, and in 1982, the two parties agreed to a system under which the Republican National Committee agreed to refrain from a number of tactics that could be used to intimidate voters. That consent decree, as it is called, has been modified a number of times, often in response to efforts to challenge the ability of Democratic voters to vote, occasionally targeting black voters specifically.
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Are we brothers? My dad is a staunch Christian. His beliefs won't be shaken. He told my wife she dressed like a whore because (in his words) her breasts are too big.
He took exception to her wearing jeans
 
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Drumpf is so setting the stage for his inevitable rigged election excuse on November 8th. Trouble is he will get trounced so badly it won't matter.
 
Billy Blaggs said:
Are we brothers? My dad is a staunch Christian. His beliefs won't be shaken. He told my wife she dressed like a whore because (in his words) her breasts are too big.
He took exception to her wearing jeans
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My father grew up in conservative India. While he doesn't criticize others on their dresses or try to influence others, within our family he routinely discusses his views with gems like these :lol:
 
fishfingers15 said:
I don't understand why DNC doesn't actively play a part in voter registration going forward. They could definitely afford money to compensate people. Just seems a sensible thing to do in the long term. Is that illegal?
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Because contrary to popular belief, the funding they receive in non-election years are hardly enough to cover their needs and funds have to be distributed to vulnerable incumbents/ challenger to competitive seats to canvass the high propensity voters.

People simply don't care if the presidency is not on the ballot (for Dems, at least).
 
fishfingers15 said:
I don't understand why DNC doesn't actively play a part in voter registration going forward. They could definitely afford money to compensate people. Just seems a sensible thing to do in the long term. Is that illegal?
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Illegal AFAIK.


Edit: when registering voters mentioning party is maybe. Something is illegal, I can't remember.
 
berbatrick said:
Illegal AFAIK.


Edit: when registering voters mentioning party is maybe. Something is illegal, I can't remember.
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I don't think it is if you allocate funds to state parties to go door knocking, helping drive people to the DMV and helping with their papers. Monetary compensation is a tad too much.

It's the time consuming nature of the process that turn a lot of people off, and those in need of help are disproportionately minorities.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Because contrary to popular belief, the funding they receive in non-election years are hardly enough to cover their needs and funds have to be distributed to vulnerable incumbents/ challenger to competitive seats to canvass the high propensity voters.

People simply don't care if the presidency is not on the ballot (for Dems, at least).
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That's what I guessed. A forward thinking party should make this their main agenda in non election years. It gives incentive for people to vote for them and they can get one over the Republicans and their constant voter suppression. This outreach can also negate the 'you only come when you need vote' agenda
 
fishfingers15 said:
That's what I guessed. A forward thinking party should make this their main agenda in non election years. It gives incentive for people to vote for them and they can get one over the Republicans and their constant voter suppression. This outreach can also negate the 'you only come when you need vote' agenda
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Iirc the drop off in midterms come mostly from the youth vote. Their participation rate drops from about 19% in presidential year to 10-12%.
 
And as if on cue.

Guess who is this state's governor?

https://apnews.com/3fce77bb9aba4b9e...Police-expand-vote-fraud-probe-to-57-counties

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Indiana State Police said on Thursday that they have expanded an investigation of possible voter registration fraud to 57 of the state's 92 counties.
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The investigation expanded from nine counties state police said they were investigating on Tuesday. Capt. Dave Bursten, state police spokesman, provided no details on the reason for the expansion.

The announcement came about an hour after Patriot Majority USA, a group that runs the Indiana Voter Registration Project that is under investigation in the nine counties named Tuesday, said it asked the U.S. Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division to look into whether the investigation is an attempt to suppress black votes.
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Billy Blaggs said:
So he's done. I can't see anything other than a massacre
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Its hard to turn the ship around in a month. Trump has done it once before, but it wont be easy to do it again since early voting has already started in various states at a time when Hillary is surging. So for all we know, she could rack up millions of votes by mail over the next few weeks well before November 8th.
 
Voter registration is stone age and a democratic hurdle. One of many problems I presume. I don't understand how anyone can look at the voter turnouts and think it's fine.
 
Billy Blaggs said:
How would you fix it
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Where I´m from every citizen is automatically registered to vote. Even my girlfriend from Canada who doesn't have citizenship can just go to the polling station and cast her vote for municipal elections without a need to register as long as she is in the tax agency's records. Voter turnout here in the last election was over 85% but efforts are still made to increase it. Only a third of americans eligible to vote participate in the process of selecting the presidential candidates with a realistic chance to win.
 
Blodssvik said:
Voter registration is stone age and a democratic hurdle. One of many problems I presume. I don't understand how anyone can look at the voter turnouts and think it's fine.
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A certain party is not very well disposed towards colored people voting, works very well for them.
 
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