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Dallas Morning News endorses Hillary - First time in 75 years they have endorsed a non-Republican.

The editorial is the best point by point obliteration of Trump I've seen yet.

http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/20160906-donald-trump-is-no-republican.ece


Donald Trump is no Republican

What does it mean to be a Republican?

For generations, the answer had been clear: A belief in individual liberty. Free markets. Strong national defense.

But what does it mean to be a Republican today? With Donald Trump as the party's new standard-bearer, it's impossible to say.

Even before Trump's name reached the top of the GOP presidential ticket, the party was pulled in different directions. Many Republicans held fast to the good-governing principles of the past, while a growing wing of the party yanked hard from the right to force a conscripted definition of conservatism.

Inexplicably, the presidential candidate who emerged from that ideological tug of war was the one who thumbed his nose at conservative orthodoxy altogether. Trump is — or has been — at odds with nearly every GOP ideal this newspaper holds dear.

Donald Trump is no Republican and certainly no conservative.

Individual liberty? Trump has displayed an authoritarian streak that should horrify limited-government advocates. This impulsive, unbridled New York real estate billionaire and reality-TV star wants to deport people who were born in the U.S. and don't meet his standard for loyalty. He has proposed banning all Muslims from entering the country, even those escaping Islamist rule, and won't rule out creating a database of Muslims already living here.

His open admiration of Russia's Vladimir Putin is alarming.

Free markets? Economic conservatism? Ronald Reagan once said that "protectionism is destructionism." Trump, on the other hand, has called the Trans-Pacific Partnership "a rape of our country."

Businesses who invest overseas, he says, should pay a hefty fine on imports. (We'll leave aside for a moment his hypocrisy in pretending that investing in hotels abroad, as he does, is somehow different from a manufacturer investing in foreign car factories.) His protectionism would likely force the U.S. into trade wars, increase the deficit and sink the U.S. economy back into a recession.

Trump's idea of fiscal conservatism is reducing expenses by financing mountains of soul-crushing debt.

Strong national defense? Trump pledges to make our military "so big, so powerful, so strong that nobody — absolutely nobody — is going to mess with us." But what does he want to do with that military? He says he supports killing the families of Muslim terrorists and allowing interrogation methods "a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding." And if the military balks at obeying such orders? "If I say do it, they're gonna do it," he says.

His isolationist prescriptions put sound bites over sound policy: Invite the Russians into our elections. Bomb the Middle East into dust. Withdraw from NATO.

It's not easy to offer a shorthand list of such tenets, since Trump flips from one side to the other, issue after issue, sometimes within a single news cycle. Regardless, his ideas are so far from Republicanism that they have spawned a new description: Trumpism.

We have no interest in a Republican nominee for whom all principles are negotiable, nor in a Republican Party that is willing to trade away principle for pursuit of electoral victory.

Trump doesn't reflect Republican ideals of the past; we are certain he shouldn't reflect the GOP of the future.

Donald Trump is not qualified to serve as president and does not deserve your vote.
My fear is that to most republicans, most of that is BS and is no longer representative of their party. Most republicans today, are isolationists and don't care about anyone else's freedoms apart from theirs. That's my worry.
 
He said NATO members need to pay up in terms of contributing 2% of their GDP to military expenditures.
As they should. It's ridiculous countries such as Estonia and Poland can reach the threshold while rich countries like Norway, Germany, and France don't. Right now everyone is just free-riding on the US.
 
My fear is that to most republicans, most of that is BS and is no longer representative of their party. Most republicans today, are isolationists and don't care about anyone else's freedoms apart from theirs. That's my worry.

That's true. This is basically the final step before the inevitable implosion of the GOP.
 
These two deserve each other. :lol:

Trump's pay for play scandal intensifies

The Republican nominee has denied any wrongdoing in his donation to Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi.

The swirl of scandal around Donald Trump’s donation to Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi is intensifying, with the Republican nominee and his aides vigorously pushing back against the idea that he bought the decision by Bondi to not pursue an investigation into his Trump University.

The controversy whipped back up last week when news emerged that Trump paid a $2,500 fine because his foundation improperly donated $25,000 to Bondi’s political election committee in 2013 (tax-exempt charitable groups are not allowed to make political contributions). Following the donation in 2013, Bondi’s office declined to join a fledgling multi-state probe into Trump’s real estate seminar program. The links between the two continued, with Trump hosting a lavish fundraiser for Bondi at his Mar-a-Lago resort in March 2014, and Bondi endorsing Trump in March of this year.

While Trump and Bondi say there’s no fire underneath the smoke, the Manhattan businessman’s political wheelings and dealings are now drawing more scrutiny, especially because Trump’s campaign has been driving hard at the idea that Hillary Clinton engaged in pay for play through her Clinton Foundation and her tenure at the State Department.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/trump-pam-bondi-scandal-227823#ixzz4Jao68F2P
 
It's all going far too smoothly for Trump of late, even with all that bad press just sitting there. Surely one of these scandals constantly bubbling round have to explode in the next day or two...

The Pam Bondi issue will dominate the news cycle in the coming week. Also, Trump has ended his mildly fascistic ban on dealing with media outlets who ask him difficult questions, so there's plenty of opportunity for future meltdowns.
 
The Pam Bondi issue will dominate the news cycle in the coming week. Also, Trump has ended his mildly fascistic ban on dealing with media outlets who ask him difficult questions, so there's plenty of opportunity for future meltdowns.

It is an awful lot of smoke just kinda hanging around, not a flicker of a flame in sight :smirk:
 
Dallas Morning News endorses Hillary - First time in 75 years they have endorsed a non-Republican.

The editorial is the best point by point obliteration of Trump I've seen yet.

http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/20160906-donald-trump-is-no-republican.ece


Donald Trump is no Republican

What does it mean to be a Republican?

For generations, the answer had been clear: A belief in individual liberty. Free markets. Strong national defense.

But what does it mean to be a Republican today? With Donald Trump as the party's new standard-bearer, it's impossible to say.

Even before Trump's name reached the top of the GOP presidential ticket, the party was pulled in different directions. Many Republicans held fast to the good-governing principles of the past, while a growing wing of the party yanked hard from the right to force a conscripted definition of conservatism.

Inexplicably, the presidential candidate who emerged from that ideological tug of war was the one who thumbed his nose at conservative orthodoxy altogether. Trump is — or has been — at odds with nearly every GOP ideal this newspaper holds dear.

Donald Trump is no Republican and certainly no conservative.

Individual liberty? Trump has displayed an authoritarian streak that should horrify limited-government advocates. This impulsive, unbridled New York real estate billionaire and reality-TV star wants to deport people who were born in the U.S. and don't meet his standard for loyalty. He has proposed banning all Muslims from entering the country, even those escaping Islamist rule, and won't rule out creating a database of Muslims already living here.

His open admiration of Russia's Vladimir Putin is alarming.

Free markets? Economic conservatism? Ronald Reagan once said that "protectionism is destructionism." Trump, on the other hand, has called the Trans-Pacific Partnership "a rape of our country."

Businesses who invest overseas, he says, should pay a hefty fine on imports. (We'll leave aside for a moment his hypocrisy in pretending that investing in hotels abroad, as he does, is somehow different from a manufacturer investing in foreign car factories.) His protectionism would likely force the U.S. into trade wars, increase the deficit and sink the U.S. economy back into a recession.

Trump's idea of fiscal conservatism is reducing expenses by financing mountains of soul-crushing debt.

Strong national defense? Trump pledges to make our military "so big, so powerful, so strong that nobody — absolutely nobody — is going to mess with us." But what does he want to do with that military? He says he supports killing the families of Muslim terrorists and allowing interrogation methods "a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding." And if the military balks at obeying such orders? "If I say do it, they're gonna do it," he says.

His isolationist prescriptions put sound bites over sound policy: Invite the Russians into our elections. Bomb the Middle East into dust. Withdraw from NATO.

It's not easy to offer a shorthand list of such tenets, since Trump flips from one side to the other, issue after issue, sometimes within a single news cycle. Regardless, his ideas are so far from Republicanism that they have spawned a new description: Trumpism.

We have no interest in a Republican nominee for whom all principles are negotiable, nor in a Republican Party that is willing to trade away principle for pursuit of electoral victory.

Trump doesn't reflect Republican ideals of the past; we are certain he shouldn't reflect the GOP of the future.

Donald Trump is not qualified to serve as president and does not deserve your vote.

Good piece. Imagine the shock if she took Texas.
 
:confused: wasn't Trump's health record dissected a while ago?

there was a bit around a few weeks ago when people were talking about that letter his Doc wrote. From the start there has been a lot of amateur psychology (and some not so amateur) discussing Trumps mental fitness, though he has nobody to blame but himself for that.
 
Yes. But what don't talk show hosts discuss? I agree that the discussion over Hillary's cough fits is stupid, but it's nothing new.



:confused: wasn't Trump's health record dissected a while ago?
Discuss is one thing. Diagnose is another. They look and sound stupid doing it. And its not just the talk show hosts either.
 
The U.S probably have an agreement with Germany re: troops since the Marshall Plan. In Japan for Chinese reasons. Tbf they have troops in every corner of the world.

They are here because Germany is an important logistic hub for US Military. Rammstein for example. We don't gain anything by their presence, they might as well leave. But they need these bases.
 
They are here because Germany is an important logistic hub for US Military. Rammstein for example. We don't gain anything by their presence, they might as well leave. But they need these bases.
The harsh reality is, NATO needs American troops in Europe.
 
They are here because Germany is an important logistic hub for US Military. Rammstein for example. We don't gain anything by their presence, they might as well leave. But they need these bases.

You could make a legitimate argument that the welfare states of Western Europe have been paid for through US defence spending.
 
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The harsh reality is, NATO needs American troops in Europe.

It's all completely strategic and has been since the end of WWII. The UK has bases everywhere too, the same as the USA. Also, many countries share training grounds etc. I know that The Britannia Royal Naval college opposite me in Dartmouth has recruits from navies from all over the world. America, Iraq, Algeria etc. It's pretty common for American Marines to be here training, and also air bases in places like Turkey or Japan are obviously completely strategic.

In other news Fox News have settled with Gretchen Carlsen for $20m. It also included a pretty grovelling apology from the Network. I wonder though if that human pile of shite Hannity will apologise to her now that Fox have paid up and admitted fault? The amount of times he slaughtered her and called her a liar on his show. It was almost a nightly occurrence.
 
While the strategic reasons argument is completely valid, due to military budget cuts, a US-less NATO is pretty toothless if any medium to large scale operation is needed around the world. NATO nations frequently had to lean on US air and sea assets to move men and equipment.
 
While the strategic reasons argument is completely valid, due to military budget cuts, a US-less NATO is pretty toothless if any medium to large scale operation is needed around the world. NATO nations frequently had to lean on US air and sea assets to move men and equipment.

I agree, however it's not quite as simple as many make out, and certainly nothing like what Trump is making it out to be. You don't need to worry about a US-less NATO, more that it will be back to the US v the ROTW. The way Trump is going he's going to upset pretty much everyone on day one. China being the biggest worry. Does he not realise how much the US owes China? Or how much US currency China controls? Not to mention a million other reasons why it's not fecking clever to upset them. He just has no idea about anything. No military knowledge and certainly no clue on world finances. Let's not forget he has been bankrupt 5 or 6 times! That's really not the person you want in charge of your countries finances.
 
I agree, however it's not quite as simple as many make out, and certainly nothing like what Trump is making it out to be. You don't need to worry about a US-less NATO, more that it will be back to the US v the ROTW. The way Trump is going he's going to upset pretty much everyone on day one. China being the biggest worry. Does he not realise how much the US owes China? Or how much US currency China controls? Not to mention a million other reasons why it's not fecking clever to upset them. He just has no idea about anything. No military knowledge and certainly no clue on world finances. Let's not forget he has been bankrupt 5 or 6 times! That's really not the person you want in charge of your countries finances.
Agreed 100%. I'm just pointing out that a Trump presidency is bad for even the folks left in NATO should we leave.
 
I'm just pointing out that a Trump presidency is bad for even the folks left in NATO should we leave.

Yeah, I hear you mate. It's really scary when you think about it. I just have to keep reverting back to the EC Map and just keep reassuring myself that at the moment he's miles away in College votes.
 
People really buying into this Hilary health bullshit? She ls an elderly woman on a very hectic schedule so shes going to have issues.

A sizeable portion of the far right are gullible to conspiratorial nonsense. It comes from years of watching Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly, and listening to dickwads like Jones, Limbaugh, Valentine, etc.
 
Seriously though. I was dating this bird in Atlanta a few months back and her dad called but she didn't answer. He called again and this time she answered. He was all frantic about some nonsense on Fox News. She had to ease him down and even I put in a few calming, reassuring words (I really should have said something like "you dumbfeck, stop watching Fox!"). It had something to do with ISIS and Obama and blah blah blah. Fox peddles this constant fear on the viewing public (honestly, all the US media networks do it).
 
Seriously though. I was dating this bird in Atlanta a few months back and her dad called but she didn't answer. He called again and this time she answered. He was all frantic about some nonsense on Fox News. She had to ease him down and even I put in a few calming, reassuring words (I really should have said something like "you dumbfeck, stop watching Fox!"). It had something to do with ISIS and Obama and blah blah blah. Fox peddles this constant fear on the viewing public (honestly, all the US media networks do it).
I know what you mean. I had to spend a solid 10 minutes last week explaining that Obama isn't going to declare martial law to ensure a 3rd term... To a fellow history teacher.
 
I'm DVR'ing this fascist forum tonight as I prefer to play badminton at my neighbour's. Somebody let me know if it's worth watching please.
 
I know what you mean. I had to spend a solid 10 minutes last week explaining that Obama isn't going to declare martial law to ensure a 3rd term... To a fellow history teacher.

Just offer a wager, right at the high end of what you think the person might accept. You either make your point (its ridiculous) or you make money.
 
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