2016/2017 Title race

Treble_Winning said:
He also recruited Fabregas and was responsible for making the decision to recall Courtois and make him the #1 and sell Cech. That was a gutsy decision, as Cech had been a legend for them.

Those are all key players who have been instrumental for them and are still instrumental.

Who has Conte recruited apart from Kante and their mediocre left wing back?

Jose built the core of the their side and turned them into champions. Conte inherited Jose's foundations and is reaping the fruits of his labour. Yet, everyone seems to think Jose is a short term manager who never does any foundation-building work - very wrong.

He is doing the same with us at the moment and I expect to see Bailly and Mhkitaryan become truly world class. And as for Pogba and Zlatan, well, they are already world class.
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Well said mate! Jose is a great manager. How can you doubt a person who has been successful for 90% of his career and lost fewer games than anybody else at home. He recognises quality very quickly, he is waiting for a chance to let go off a few more of our players and bring in pure quality. He will assemble a fantastic team for the 2017/18 season and then we're gonna start pushing the buttons. Chelsea can take this season's title, Jose should laugh about it and continue.

Conte is a great manager and i'm sure he's doing the best with the 3-4-3 formation which he already knows so well. He also brought David luiz, who when put under pressure is completely useless. Regardless of what happens , we will fight for the title!
 
unitedforeveral said:
Well said mate! Jose is a great manager. How can you doubt a person who has been successful for 90% of his career and lost fewer games than anybody else at home. He recognises quality very quickly, he is waiting for a chance to let go off a few more of our players and bring in pure quality. He will assemble a fantastic team for the 2017/18 season and then we're gonna start pushing the buttons. Chelsea can take this season's title, Jose should laugh about it and continue.

Conte is a great manager and i'm sure he's doing the best with the 3-4-3 formation which he already knows so well. He also brought David luiz, who when put under pressure is completely useless. Regardless of what happens , we will fight for the title!
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It's quite funny when you think about how Jose sold Luiz for a ridiculous fee (which most logical Chelsea fans were feeling happy about) but then Conte went and re-signed him. If Jose sold Smalling for £50 million I think most UTD fans would be absolutely over the moon. It would be a legendary piece of business.

Jose was classy enough to dedicate the community shield victory to LVG. If Conte wins the league will he have the class and magnanimity to dedicate the title to Jose (or at least pay tribute to him)? If so he will win my respect for being a gentleman. But I'm not holding my breath.
 
Treble_Winning said:
Jose was classy enough to dedicate the community shield victory to LVG. If Conte wins the league will he have the class and magnanimity to dedicate the title to Jose (or at least pay tribute to him)? If so he will win my respect for being a gentleman. But I'm not holding my breath.
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Why should he? There has been another manager since Jose left plus Conte has already been respectful about Jose at Chelsea talking about his history with Chelsea
 
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When people refer to Mourinho as being a short-term manager it isn't because he can't buy players but because players can't stand to be around him for more than a few seasons. Maybe he's grown up now.
 
Treble_Winning said:
It's quite funny when you think about how Jose sold Luiz for a ridiculous fee (which most logical Chelsea fans were feeling happy about) but then Conte went and re-signed him. If Jose sold Smalling for £50 million I think most UTD fans would be absolutely over the moon. It would be a legendary piece of business.

Jose was classy enough to dedicate the community shield victory to LVG. If Conte wins the league will he have the class and magnanimity to dedicate the title to Jose (or at least pay tribute to him)? If so he will win my respect for being a gentleman. But I'm not holding my breath.
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I see what you are hinting there. Yeah, it is unlikely though. Conte is not that kind.
 
If Chelsea win the league it is nothing to do with Jose ffs. How can people not see that/

If he had gone in and played 4231 every game with Mourinhos 11 and literally did sod all else, id get the claim that he is just continuing what Jose left

But, he has gone in there realised 4231 no longer works, ripped it up gone to 3 at the back and decided, right... Luiz you're coming back and I will get the best out of you. Which he has, Luiz now is 10x the Luiz Mourinho had.

Moses you can stop going on loan without a fair chance, I'll use you, and Moses has been brilliant. JT sorry youre on the bench Azpi you are now a CB, Ivanovic you're no longer good enough, Cesc you on the bench too, Kante in you come... Pedro ill get the best out of you (which he has) and Costa and Hazard are back to their best.

It is Conte's tactics, his gameplan, his changes and h is methods which have Chelsea top. NOT MOURINHOS
 
squiggle said:
When people refer to Mourinho as being a short-term manager it isn't because he can't buy players but because players can't stand to be around him for more than a few seasons. Maybe he's grown up now.
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Spot on. Mourinho's man management skills are more important than his tactical one. Yet these skills have temporary impact (best at his second seasons at the clubs) and are gone by the 3 year of his tenure.
 
BlueCelery said:
Many of these teams had multiple games in hand.
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96 - Newcastle has a game in hand over Utd
03 = Arsenal/Utd level on matches just about all the way through
09 - Utd had played 1 less when 7 points behind
12 - utd/city played same amount

the only one with multiple games in hand was Arsenal with 3 , being 11 points behind in March 98

so...you were saying
 
PepG said:
Spot on. Mourinho's man management skills are more important than his tactical one. Yet these skills have temporary impact (best at his second seasons at the clubs) and are gone by the 3 year of his tenure.
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That makes some sense because once he left Madrid, and Chelsea this time, a lot of players had sly digs at him and some disliked him a lot
 
BonkersIam said:
96 - Newcastle has a game in hand over Utd
03 = Arsenal/Utd level on matches just about all the way through
09 - Utd had played 1 less when 7 points behind
12 - utd/city played same amount

the only one with multiple games in hand was Arsenal with 3 , being 11 points behind in March 98

so...you were saying
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Who were also 12 points behind in mid January with only 1 game in hand.
 
unitedforeveral said:
I see what you are hinting there. Yeah, it is unlikely though. Conte is not that kind.
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The comparison between winning the Charity Shield in what was your first game in charge with winning the league after a whole season is ridiculous.

Jose didn't dedicate his premier title in 05 to Ranieri or the title wins at Madrid or Inter to the managers who he replaced.
 
duffer said:
Jose didn't dedicate his premier title in 05 to Ranieri or the title wins at Madrid or Inter to the managers who he replaced.
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Mourinho actually had a few digs at all of the previous managers of his clubs - Ranieri, Mancini, Pellegrini and of course Benitez.. And now he had somewhat of a dig even at his old friend Loius Van Gaal! Classic Jose..
 
PepG said:
Mourinho actually had a few digs at all of the previous managers of his clubs - Ranieri, Mancini, Pellegrini and of course Benitez.. And now he had somewhat of a dig even at his old friend Loius Van Gaal! Classic Jose..
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who did he have a dig at when he took over Porto.....as you did say 'All' the previous managers
 
Treble_Winning said:
It's quite funny when you think about how Jose sold Luiz for a ridiculous fee (which most logical Chelsea fans were feeling happy about) but then Conte went and re-signed him. If Jose sold Smalling for £50 million I think most UTD fans would be absolutely over the moon. It would be a legendary piece of business.

Jose was classy enough to dedicate the community shield victory to LVG. If Conte wins the league will he have the class and magnanimity to dedicate the title to Jose (or at least pay tribute to him)? If so he will win my respect for being a gentleman. But I'm not holding my breath.
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What a ridiculous post. Why on earth should Conte "dedicate" a title he (hypothetically) wins after 38 games of his own tactics, his own changes and his own man management to Jose? The Community Shield is very first game of the season and is pretty much regarded as a friendly. You compare that to a 38 game season? Where's the logic?

Besides, as has been pointed out above, Jose doesn't just ignore this supposed "gentleman" move you're trying to peg in, he actually almost always takes digs at his predecessors when he comes into a new job. He has already taken digs at Louis Van Gaal (who's was his mentor) this season! :lol:

Come off it mate!
 
Blue Barrett said:
What a ridiculous post. Why on earth should Conte "dedicate" a title he (hypothetically) wins after 38 games of his own tactics, his own changes and his own man management to Jose? The Community Shield is very first game of the season and is pretty much regarded as a friendly. You compare that to a 38 game season? Where's the logic?

Besides, as has been pointed out above, Jose doesn't just ignore this supposed "gentleman" move you're trying to peg in, he actually almost always takes digs at his predecessors when he comes into a new job. He has already taken digs at Louis Van Gaal (who's was his mentor) this season! :lol:

Come off it mate!
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Well, facts are facts -

http://www.espnfc.com/manchester-un...united-community-shield-win-to-louis-van-gaal

And though fans may regard the Community Shield as a friendly, it is also a fact that the winners are presented with a trophy. Hence it is a trophy.

How many managers have been known to do that? My point was that Jose behaved like a gentleman and showed tremendous respect and magnanimity to LVG. Conte will probably not do the same. In fact, judging from his actions when Mourinho was back at Stamford Bridge earlier this season, Conte comes across as an egotistical, petulant big-time Charlie who is getting too big for his shoes.
 
Treble_Winning said:
Well, facts are facts -

http://www.espnfc.com/manchester-un...united-community-shield-win-to-louis-van-gaal

And though fans may regard the Community Shield as a friendly, it is also a fact that the winners are presented with a trophy. Hence it is a trophy.

How many managers have been known to do that? My point was that Jose behaved like a gentleman and showed tremendous respect and magnanimity to LVG. Conte will probably not do the same. In fact, judging from his actions when Mourinho was back at Stamford Bridge earlier this season, Conte comes across as an egotistical, petulant big-time Charlie who is getting too big for his shoes.
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As someone already pointed out to you, Conte didn't take over the job from Jose.
 
Treble_Winning said:
Well, facts are facts -

http://www.espnfc.com/manchester-un...united-community-shield-win-to-louis-van-gaal

And though fans may regard the Community Shield as a friendly, it is also a fact that the winners are presented with a trophy. Hence it is a trophy.

How many managers have been known to do that? My point was that Jose behaved like a gentleman and showed tremendous respect and magnanimity to LVG. Conte will probably not do the same. In fact, judging from his actions when Mourinho was back at Stamford Bridge earlier this season, Conte comes across as an egotistical, petulant big-time Charlie who is getting too big for his shoes.
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You keep forgetting though that Conte took over from Hiddink. Conte did absolutely nothing wrong at Stamford Bridge mate, come on. Do we really have to find the petulant stuff our Jose has done to managers in the league? Just to clarify Jose is THE MOST childish, baby like manager in the prem - Double standards there. Charity Shield is a trophy yes, but if Utd won the league, Fa cup and charity shield, it isnt the treble. The charity shield is a friendly, it is not classed as a competitive fixture
 
salford_ said:
If Conte took the Utd job this summer or next, id be delighted.
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Seriously? You would like Mourinho to be fired? Give the guy some support man, he has not even been in charge a full season. Look at the change that is happening at UTD, I think it's very positive. We can't keep changing managers every season, at some point we have to invest in foundations instead of making knee jerk decisions.
 
Kentonio said:
As someone already pointed out to you, Conte didn't take over the job from Jose.
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Hiddink was interim manager, sort of like a caretaker / temporary role. He wasn't a permanent manager so it doesn't count. It is like saying that LVG took over from Giggs and not Moyes.
 
Treble_Winning said:
Hiddink was interim manager, sort of like a caretaker / temporary role. He wasn't a permanent manager so it doesn't count. It is like saying that LVG took over from Giggs and not Moyes.
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You're claiming a manager should devote a possible title win to a predecessor who was in the role half a season before him, and who was fired with the team currently 16th in the league. You're funny.
 
Yes, Conte should give all credit to the guy who was sacked by his players. I'm sure they will be happy about it
 
Treble_Winning said:
Well, facts are facts -

http://www.espnfc.com/manchester-un...united-community-shield-win-to-louis-van-gaal
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Also...

1. http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...chester-united-news-mourinho-arsenal-12201621

2. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...ourinho-swipe-at-louis-van-gaal-david-de-gea/


Treble_Winning said:
And though fans may regard the Community Shield as a friendly, it is also a fact that the winners are presented with a trophy. Hence it is a trophy.
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No one is disputing whether it's a trophy or not. You conveniently missed the point. ONE match (first match of the season at that) versus 38 matches. Where's the correlation mate?

Treble_Winning said:
How many managers have been known to do that? My point was that Jose behaved like a gentleman and showed tremendous respect and magnanimity to LVG. Conte will probably not do the same. In fact, judging from his actions when Mourinho was back at Stamford Bridge earlier this season, Conte comes across as an egotistical, petulant big-time Charlie who is getting too big for his shoes.
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The fact that you're trying to paint Conte as some classless prick is hilarious :lol:

Love Jose but I'll be glad to take you on a trip down memory lane:

Eye poking Tito
Touchline sprint after Porto's Old Trafford winner
Celebration after knocking out Barca with Inter
Walking off before the full time whistle (he has done this a couple of times)

Search all of that on YouTube if you need to confirm (I can't post media yet apparently).

I can go on and on. Class and magnanimity aren't exactly one of Jose's strength. Either you're too young to remember any of this or you're the most biased United fan I've ever come across :nervous: (I know this is a United forum but still...)
 
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Treble_Winning said:
Well, facts are facts -

http://www.espnfc.com/manchester-un...united-community-shield-win-to-louis-van-gaal

And though fans may regard the Community Shield as a friendly, it is also a fact that the winners are presented with a trophy. Hence it is a trophy.

How many managers have been known to do that? My point was that Jose behaved like a gentleman and showed tremendous respect and magnanimity to LVG. Conte will probably not do the same. In fact, judging from his actions when Mourinho was back at Stamford Bridge earlier this season, Conte comes across as an egotistical, petulant big-time Charlie who is getting too big for his shoes.
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Jose and class are as close together as ice water in hell.
 
Treble_Winning said:
Conte will probably not do the same. In fact, judging from his actions when Mourinho was back at Stamford Bridge earlier this season, Conte comes across as an egotistical, petulant big-time Charlie who is getting too big for his shoes.
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what actions were these then that have really got your back up to the extent that you are posting like a typical WUM and troll
 
Treble_Winning said:
Seriously? You would like Mourinho to be fired? Give the guy some support man, he has not even been in charge a full season. Look at the change that is happening at UTD, I think it's very positive. We can't keep changing managers every season, at some point we have to invest in foundations instead of making knee jerk decisions.
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No. If we were looking for a manager and Conte got it. Not saying sack one for another
 
BonkersIam said:
what actions were these then that have really got your back up to the extent that you are posting like a typical WUM and troll
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It is when Conte celebrated and wanted to get the crowd even more vocal at 3-0? He did nothing wrong, Mourinho has done what Conte did (and worse) umpteen times
 
Conte is proving he can build top league squads from scratch since his beginnings as a coach but he still needs to prove he can adapt his methods to cup tournaments, which are more sprints than marathons. Mourinho is miles ahead in that compartment and a proven winner, a finished article, even if Madrid clearly left him shaken. Time will see, next year is going to be interesting for a comparison both domestically and in the CL, in fact they will start level.
 
salford_ said:
FYI, I completely agree Mourinho has zero class.
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Tbf, Mourinho is a good person with plenty of class.

Some of his unsavory actions have been the result of being dealt extremely with unfairly. The only action that does not have enough mitigating explanation is the eye poke on Tito. Outside of that, he is a much better person than most in football.
 
Bepi said:
Conte is proving he can build top league squads from scratch since his beginnings as a coach but he still needs to prove he can adapt his methods to cup tournaments, which are more sprints than marathons. Mourinho is miles ahead in that compartment and a proven winner, a finished article, even if Madrid clearly left him shaken. Time will see, next year is going to be interesting for a comparison both domestically and in the CL, in fact they will start level.
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Isn't winning a league much much tougher than winning a cup? ( CL or EL are included as a cup which a team can even fluke to victory.)
 
AshfordLad said:
Tbf, Mourinho is a good person with plenty of class.

Some of his unsavory actions have been the result of being dealt extremely with unfairly. The only action that does not have enough mitigating explanation is the eye poke on Tito. Outside of that, he is a much better person than most in football.
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His treatment of Eva Carneiro?
 
John_Jensen said:
His treatment of Eva Carneiro?
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No one should have any issues with a boss having an outburst at an insubordinate team mate especially in a pressure situation.

SirHenryPercy said:
The totally unnecessary stuff he has said about Wenger.
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Wenger is a douche who keeps taking these pot shots at others. Some one needed to shut him down and Jose did that very very well. He should get props for that.
 
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