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2010 Baseball Season
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Signing sluggers is the every year Yankee alternative. Let's not pretend any different. But either way, your argument makes no sense as our pitching without Javy is excellent. We just won the WS and have, even without Javy, possibly the best rotation in baseball. CC, AJ, Pettitte, Hughes, Joba. Could have kept Melky and resigned Wang who everyone seems to have forgotten about. Whoever signs Wang is going to get a steal.. I'll say it now. He's a top 2 pitcher who gives the team a chance to win every time he's out there. And he's a bigger innings eater than Vazquez. Because he was battling against injury last year, everyone's forgotten about him.
And if you're going to argue that, then you could definitely argue that Melky was a very important and underrated part of the WS winning team's puzzle. A team that won the WS comfortably without a pitcher like Javy. Melky played good defense, was a clutch hitter, and was an above average outfielder all-around, all at the age of 24. A "true" Yankee instead of those sluggers you talked about. He'll be replaced by Mark Derosa or someone similar. Meaning we'll go that signing the sluggers and not real Yankees route.
Yeah we did have a great rotation last year if not the best but Boston got Lackey they got better they had the better rotation Cash had to do something. You say Javy deal is silly to be called a steal but who gets Wang will be. The Yankees must know something about his health conditions or they would sign him they know how good he was he just didnt look the same pitcher after the injury. If the Yanks could get I dont think Derosa is one of those sluggers he would be a decent 9 hittter that can play in LF and many other position.
The same pitching staff that forced the manager to go to a three man rotation because Wang had been out forever and starters #4 and #5 were shit. It was a testament to the starting trio and clutch relieving and hitting that they won the championship. So go grab a bonafide starter to add to the rotation so next October they're not staring at another three man rotation potential nightmare. Or, what if CC's obesity finally catches up to his back, or Pettitte's age catches up. Then you have a solid contingency plan in Vazquez instead of hoping Wang is healthy or Hughes or Joba can fill that role. Joba's best role is 7th & 8th innings. They're going to wear his arm out by age 27 at this rate.
Melky was a tidy player but nothing great. Vazquez is the better player in comparison. Easy. Yankees also got a relief pitcher in that deal. Have no clue if he's good.
You're also assuming Wang doesn't have a lingering injury issue, which might have factored into management's decision to let him leave. He was a decent pitcher but no Cy Young contender by any stretch. He's not been the same pitcher since 2007 and that's two straight injury-interrupted seasons. Which for a pitcher becomes a sounding alarm for BUYER BEWARE. A club will take a shot on him and hopefully for him and said club, he recovers from the injuries and returns to prior form. The Yankees won't lose sleep either way. Just like when they traded a prospet named Milton, let Clemens walk, and traded Contreras only to see him post a great season (and then return to average) and many others.
Exactly, and he can ease into a comfort zone early in the season... he's easily the best 4th rotation pitcher in baseball, and for all we know he's a 5th starter.
The Yankees improved the rotation now with a inning eating piece, I look at this:
Sabathia (With a year under his belt and new found confidence)
Burnett
Pettite
Vazquez
Chamberlain/Hughes
That installs fear.
Though:
Lester
Beckett
Lackey
Matsuzaka
Wakefield/Buchholz
Doesn't look bad either
AL East will be a war this year
I don't think that's going to happen.
Jason Bay gets 5 years at 84 million apparently:
4 years @ $66 Million + a vesting option of $14 Million salary and $4 Million in incentives.
Good riddance.
4 years @ $66 Million + a vesting option of $14 Million salary and $4 Million in incentives.
Good riddance.
Mets are over paying there surely? Who were they bidding against? Themselves?
The Red Sox offered 4 for 60, which seemed standard... the Mariners offered less years so they couldn't get a deal... the Mets seemed to really want him, they upped the ante hoping a team would bite and then they'd over-pay, but I think they got value for predicted dollars.
This is how shit MLB has got. A player like Bay is deemed to be worth $15m per year.
Looks like the Sox are getting Beltre good signing for them but hopefully now this rules out Gonzalez.
AKA Kotchman won't start, Lowell is on his way still, and No more Gonzo rumors.
Bit off topic but SCEA just released details on MLB 10 The Show, I have imported it every year since 07 and this year it sounds and looks fantastic.
MLB 10 The Show Details
If your a PS3 owner and like baseball this is a must own, for us Europeans it actually costs about £40 imported from certain sites, I am pre-ordering soon
MLB 10 The Show Details
If your a PS3 owner and like baseball this is a must own, for us Europeans it actually costs about £40 imported from certain sites, I am pre-ordering soon
Both Yankees and Sox will make the playoffs. One will win the division, one will win the wild card.
The NL is wide open... the AL, you're right, as of right now it's pretty much 5 teams.
The NL is always wide open, the AL is the supreme league, well the Yanks are the supreme teamand then are the Red Sox and Angels
McGwire admits to using steroids... Wow! That came out of left field didn't it.
Next thing someone like Bonds or Sosa is going to come out and admit it, what's the world coming to.
I'm pretty sure Sosa is coming out as a vampire soon.
Was he a left fielder? I can't remember, I know he was 1B as his career came to an end.
Regardless, feck off to him and to all the cheaters.
Regardless, feck off to him and to all the cheaters.
1B I thought the left field thing was still a good pun you twat
Just had a bit of a nostalgic chat with my dad about this, remembering when I was growing up and those battles between Sammy and Mark were the only reasons I was allowed up late at night...
It was a lesson of the game, not knowing who Roger Maris was as a casual Red sox fan in the 90's other than some Yankee... This battle helped bring up some old history, some old facts, and was such an entertaining battle.
Much like Bonds and his rise to the all-time list, history is cheated, but re-lived.
Makes you respect Aaron and the Babe more, they werent fecking juicing
"Steroids is bad"
hahahaha I know it isnt that funny but how moronic does that sound
hahahaha I know it isnt that funny but how moronic does that sound
so, when are the steroid users going to get thrown out of baseball ala Pete Rose. I'd also strip the records of those that were caught, or admitted the use of, steroids.
MLB has an opportunity to clean the slate, like they did by using the Chi White Sox as an example back in the day.
You think they're going to take that opportunuity or are they just going to send a message to the fans and the younger players that it's ok to use steroids?
MLB has an opportunity to clean the slate, like they did by using the Chi White Sox as an example back in the day.
You think they're going to take that opportunuity or are they just going to send a message to the fans and the younger players that it's ok to use steroids?
Personally, I think McGwire and Bonds should go to the HOF. Did they cheat? Yes. Did they put those numbers up against other cheaters? Yes. So what's the big deal? It's the MLB's fault for not policing it as well as they should have. Bonds at least was damn good w/o the roids.
Am I sick of steroids and angry at McGwire for bringing it back up? Yes.
Am I sick of steroids and angry at McGwire for bringing it back up? Yes.
yeah you're right, send them to the HoF . that sends a clear message to the current and up and coming players that no matter what you do so long as you're contrite later then it's all good.
I really can't believe how shortsighted MLB has become.
. that sends a clear message to the current and up and coming players that no matter what you do so long as you're contrite later then it's all good. I really can't believe how shortsighted MLB has become.
You mean vomiting up the remains of one Gloved-One.
Yes, but "Pitching back then was worse," remember?
"Back in the day" American culture was still built upon the common bedrock of a Church-going popular facade, the institution in power over almost all aspect of daily life was the Church.
Today, MLB is the institution. Home plate the altar of worship. And the last thing the public wants is the high priests to say anything along the lines of "Okay folks, we got it wrong." No one wants to say it, no one wants to hear it. Because deep down, everyone knows it's just a game, and no one knows how to stop taking it so seriously to the point where players feel the need to act like insecure anorexic runway models.
I think they should put McGwire and Bonds in the HoF, and Pete Rose too. It's the Hall of FAME, not Hall of Good People. They are the most fecking famous people in baseball by far. Do you not regard Maradona as great because he blatantly cheated in the 1986 WC? Just put on their plaques, "These men achieved great records in our sport. But they also cheated and disgraced the game." Problem solved.
BTW, Aaron was using "greenies." Babe Ruth was setting records in a league where many talented (black) players were not allowed to play with or against him.
Babe Ruth wasn't the only one. There were two separate leagues then and how the MLB deals with that is another discussion. Pete Rose, as far as I know, never cheated to set the records he did. McGwire did.
i dont really see how its cheating, if it isnt against the rules and/or isnt policed then the league only really have themselves to blame, players in modern sport do everything they can to gain an advantage over their competitors, if that happens to be steroids then so be it
its like the horse placenta and neoton that footballers have used in the past, they both contain chemicals to benefit the player and to gain an advantage but nobody really bats an eye
its like the horse placenta and neoton that footballers have used in the past, they both contain chemicals to benefit the player and to gain an advantage but nobody really bats an eye
There was a rule that stated that: "If a player breaks the law, he breaks the rules"
Steroids may not have been "illegal" when they boomed onto the baseball scene, BUT they weren't legal by AMERICAN LAW, so the rules have been broken.
Steroids may not have been "illegal" when they boomed onto the baseball scene, BUT they weren't legal by AMERICAN LAW, so the rules have been broken.
No sorry....you get to the HOF based on stats and when your stats are inflated because you cheated, then its not fair. Selig and the MLB are fecking cowards. So tired of this bullshit and nothing is being done about it. ARod said he never took roids then when we all find out he did along with his lame ass apology and nothing is done about it. He never was suspended, fined, or had any stats taking away. Then you see Fox playing the sympathy card with him after the Yanks won the series. I dont know where to begin with McGwire. Hes a scumbag. Only reason he came out is because the Cardinals Organization made him. Took him ten years to admit what we all knew and even then said he would of hit 70 without being juiced. Ok Mark sure. He also said he juiced when he was injured but what about when he was back at %100? Those are just a few examples of the bigger picture and anyone defending these guys give feck all about ethics and think its ok to cheat the game and the fans. How can anyone look back at McGwire/Sosa with fond memories when it was all a sham? What you should be doing is voicing your opinion to media outlets to let the world know you were cheated. Why isnt MLB doing anything about this?
Worse thing Rose did was bet against his team and then lie about it. Yea so he bet on other games and should of been punished but to deny Charlie Hustle the HOF and allow juicers in is crime. MLB has become a circus. Its tainted and it will be for a long time. More and more players will juice because they will see all that you have to do is read an apology written by your lawyer to the press and everything will be ok. Youll get to keep all those millions, the stats, and the fame and maybe even Cooperstown.
Honestly I am fine with Rose getting in
Me as well, it's kind of sad they haven't forgiven him.
I would pay fight-night prices to see a two-hour ESPN expose on all of this, produced by people banding together around integrity and a love of sport. We've turned professional sport into the gladiatorial games of our times, except that since no one actually invests their life in recognition, we inflate the players' images (and our own as investors - since that's basically what fans are) with monetary compensation.
In baseball's case, MLB trying to sweep everything under the rug is them saying: thanks for all the money, chumps.
We as fans need to own up to how all those power hitters whipped us into a frenzy and "resurrected" baseball's ratings. If these folk aren't going to take responsibility, then why not us? Who cares if they get to smirk and slink away at how someone else is cleaning up their mess, as long as it gets cleaned up?
If there's going to be an inquest/punishment, then it has to start locally, with fans putting pressure on team owners through boycotts to the point where the league can't turn a blind eye to just the guilty teams. Money is all that matters to them then money is how you have to hurt them, and we know that's unlikely to happen since we all want to be the "good" guy.
In baseball's case, MLB trying to sweep everything under the rug is them saying: thanks for all the money, chumps.
We as fans need to own up to how all those power hitters whipped us into a frenzy and "resurrected" baseball's ratings. If these folk aren't going to take responsibility, then why not us? Who cares if they get to smirk and slink away at how someone else is cleaning up their mess, as long as it gets cleaned up?
If there's going to be an inquest/punishment, then it has to start locally, with fans putting pressure on team owners through boycotts to the point where the league can't turn a blind eye to just the guilty teams. Money is all that matters to them then money is how you have to hurt them, and we know that's unlikely to happen since we all want to be the "good" guy.