feck it, im mad.
Tim Lin just got busted for weed, great day to start the off-season.
Tim Lin just got busted for weed, great day to start the off-season.
2010 Baseball Season
- Thread starter Anderson Searl
- Start date
Yeah that's a surprise
To be fair he has always looked like a stoner.
That looong long hair
Mark Teahan I thought was traded but it looks like someone jumped the gun during the negotiation process and the deal in in limbo.
Hot stove season is here.
Lots of activity:
On top of these, the Blue Jays and Diamondbacks are in trade talks for catcher Chris Snyder... good move for the Jays if it happens.
I appears Manny is going to grab his though, go figure.
Shocking news, but not the most unheard of possibility... Gammons has been spot on for the last few years with our summer moves, however this is one I hope he's wrong on.
On top of these, the Blue Jays and Diamondbacks are in trade talks for catcher Chris Snyder... good move for the Jays if it happens.
I appears Manny is going to grab his though, go figure.
Shocking news, but not the most unheard of possibility... Gammons has been spot on for the last few years with our summer moves, however this is one I hope he's wrong on.
Gammons knows his shit. Also, he made it back from a brain aneurysm as well AS, hopefully your grandmother has as good of a recovery as him
Cheers mate, we're patiently waiting all day for a phone call
I think Putz is intresting could be a good pick up if Hughes and Joba are in the pen Yankees might be intrested were gonna need an 8th inning guy.
Twins got a good deal on just giving up Gomez for Hardy.
Putz, might be Mets syndrome but he looked shit all season, kind of a risk.
But anyway, anyone seen Sammy Sosa recently?
Wtf is that?
But anyway, anyone seen Sammy Sosa recently?
Wtf is that?
His woman is fecking HOT
But that is fecking weird as shit... roids?
But that is fecking weird as shit... roids?
New eyes are freaky enough but it looks like he is bleaching his skin, whats up with that?
Snyder would be a good addition, Barajas is a free agent but he's wanting to stay in Toronto. Think if Snyder joined it would signal his exit.
I've heard more rumours today of Halladay & the Yankees.
It'll be another fight for 3rd place in the AL East for us next year. AKA a transition season
I've heard more rumours today of Halladay & the Yankees.
It'll be another fight for 3rd place in the AL East for us next year. AKA a transition season
A Jays update...
And an update on the Snyder talks:
And an update on the Snyder talks:
Why the double M? Everyone knows a single M stands for million. They didn't do a double K for thousand?
•The White Sox declined Jermaine Dye's $12MM option, paying a $950K buyout.
•The Phillies exercised their $9MM option on Cliff Lee.
•The Diamondbacks exercised their $8.5MM option on Brandon Webb.
•The Royals declined options on Coco Crisp, Miguel Olivo, and Yasuhiko Yabuta.
•The Brewers declined David Weathers' $3.7MM option, paying a $400K buyout.
•The Mets declined J.J. Putz's $9.15MM option, paying a $1MM buyout.
•The Rockies declined options on Yorvit Torrealba and Alan Embree.
•The Nationals declined Austin Kearns' $10MM option, paying a $1MM buyout.
•The MLB Free Agents list shows the remaining options: Ramon Hernandez, Victor Martinez, Jason Varitek, Gregg Zaun, Alex Gonzalez, Jack Wilson, Pedro Feliz, Carl Crawford, Manny Ramirez, Tim Hudson, Braden Looper, Tim Wakefield, Rafael Betancourt, and Brian Shouse.
•The White Sox declined Jermaine Dye's $12MM option, paying a $950K buyout.
•The Phillies exercised their $9MM option on Cliff Lee.
•The Diamondbacks exercised their $8.5MM option on Brandon Webb.
•The Royals declined options on Coco Crisp, Miguel Olivo, and Yasuhiko Yabuta.
•The Brewers declined David Weathers' $3.7MM option, paying a $400K buyout.
•The Mets declined J.J. Putz's $9.15MM option, paying a $1MM buyout.
•The Rockies declined options on Yorvit Torrealba and Alan Embree.
•The Nationals declined Austin Kearns' $10MM option, paying a $1MM buyout.
•The MLB Free Agents list shows the remaining options: Ramon Hernandez, Victor Martinez, Jason Varitek, Gregg Zaun, Alex Gonzalez, Jack Wilson, Pedro Feliz, Carl Crawford, Manny Ramirez, Tim Hudson, Braden Looper, Tim Wakefield, Rafael Betancourt, and Brian Shouse.
Maybe mulit-million, thought that funny myself marcello
You'd have to ask the fine folks at MLBTR... I don't complain though, they are the best site for baseball rumors and up to the minute updates... ESPN go to them, no lie
In other news, the Mattingly curse lives on.
Poor Dodgers
Last years AL Gold Gloves announced... kind of sketchy in some spots:
C - Joe Mauer (Should have been Gerald Laird, robbery here)
1B - Mark Teixeira (Enhanced by the fack Youkilis played platoon, but well deserved)
2B - Placido Polanco (Iffy, Pedroia has another outstanding season)
SS - Derek Jeter (Elvis Andrus and Marco Scutaro both should have been given more a chance)
3B - Evan Longoria (Spot on)
OF - Adam Jones (Make-up pick for his robbery in 2008, nowhere near as good)
OF - Ichiro Suzuki (Decent season, as is the usual for him while he keeps winning gold gloves)
OF - Torii Hunter (Seriously?)
(Franklin Guttierez, Jacoby Ellsbury, Vernon Wells, to name three, deserved it more)
P - Mark Buehrle (Perfect choice, I swear there's 3 middle infielders when he pitches)
C - Joe Mauer (Should have been Gerald Laird, robbery here)
1B - Mark Teixeira (Enhanced by the fack Youkilis played platoon, but well deserved)
2B - Placido Polanco (Iffy, Pedroia has another outstanding season)
SS - Derek Jeter (Elvis Andrus and Marco Scutaro both should have been given more a chance)
3B - Evan Longoria (Spot on)
OF - Adam Jones (Make-up pick for his robbery in 2008, nowhere near as good)
OF - Ichiro Suzuki (Decent season, as is the usual for him while he keeps winning gold gloves)
OF - Torii Hunter (Seriously?)
(Franklin Guttierez, Jacoby Ellsbury, Vernon Wells, to name three, deserved it more)
P - Mark Buehrle (Perfect choice, I swear there's 3 middle infielders when he pitches)
Laird not getting it is a joke.
I'm not a fan the Golden Glove award most of the time it goes to the most famous player in that position. I love Jeter but he has not been as good as Andrus or even Aybar in defence.
I remember the year Palmerio won it for Texas after having played something like 25 games at 1B that season (1999) and the rest as a DH.
GGs are sometimes given to previous winners based on reputation as well as offensive production. Jeter is not a GG winner IMO.
GGs are sometimes given to previous winners based on reputation as well as offensive production. Jeter is not a GG winner IMO.
More Gold Gloves, more head-scratching
Rob Neyer
November 10, 2009 3:43 PM
Straight from the source, we've got your 2009 American League Gold Glovers.
Shockingly, the voters selected MVP candidates Joe Mauer, Mark Teixeira, and Derek Jeter, all of whom were probably solid defensively but might not have been the best fielders in the league (my choices at those positions were Gerald Laird, Kevin Youkilis, and Elvis Andrus). At second base, the voters chose Placido Polanco because he made only two errors all season. Polanco is a pretty good second baseman, but nowhere near as good as Dustin Pedroia, who won the award last year (and, coincidentally enough, was also the American League's MVP).
In the outfield, the voters had to choose both Torii Hunter and Ichiro Suzuki, because both had won eight straight Gold Gloves and everybody knows that if you've won eight you automatically deserve to win nine. Fortunately, the voters were wise enough to make room for an exciting young outfielder who burst upon the scene in 2009 with some of the most brilliant defense we've seen in center field since the heyday of Andruw Jones.
I am referring, of course, to the stupendously amazing Franklin Gutierrez, who ... Wait, what? They didn't vote for Franklin Gutierrez, who spent the entire season catching everything in sight and racking up phenomenal numbers?
Nope. They didn't. The voters instead went with Adam Jones, who played well in center field in 2008 but was (at best) average in 2009.
The voters made two excellent choices: Evan Longoria and Mark Buehrle. They made some defensible (pun intended) choices. And with Jeter and Hunter and Polanco and especially Jones, they just flat blew it, overlooking true excellence in favor of gaudy hitting stats or superficially impressive defensive performances. Well played, sirs. Again.
Rob Neyer
November 10, 2009 3:43 PM
Straight from the source, we've got your 2009 American League Gold Glovers.
Shockingly, the voters selected MVP candidates Joe Mauer, Mark Teixeira, and Derek Jeter, all of whom were probably solid defensively but might not have been the best fielders in the league (my choices at those positions were Gerald Laird, Kevin Youkilis, and Elvis Andrus). At second base, the voters chose Placido Polanco because he made only two errors all season. Polanco is a pretty good second baseman, but nowhere near as good as Dustin Pedroia, who won the award last year (and, coincidentally enough, was also the American League's MVP).
In the outfield, the voters had to choose both Torii Hunter and Ichiro Suzuki, because both had won eight straight Gold Gloves and everybody knows that if you've won eight you automatically deserve to win nine. Fortunately, the voters were wise enough to make room for an exciting young outfielder who burst upon the scene in 2009 with some of the most brilliant defense we've seen in center field since the heyday of Andruw Jones.
I am referring, of course, to the stupendously amazing Franklin Gutierrez, who ... Wait, what? They didn't vote for Franklin Gutierrez, who spent the entire season catching everything in sight and racking up phenomenal numbers?
Nope. They didn't. The voters instead went with Adam Jones, who played well in center field in 2008 but was (at best) average in 2009.
The voters made two excellent choices: Evan Longoria and Mark Buehrle. They made some defensible (pun intended) choices. And with Jeter and Hunter and Polanco and especially Jones, they just flat blew it, overlooking true excellence in favor of gaudy hitting stats or superficially impressive defensive performances. Well played, sirs. Again.
NL Gold Gloves: 2 out of 9 ain't bad
Rob Neyer
November 11, 2009 3:15 PM
Well, there's nothing truly offensive about the list of National League Gold Glove winners. Rather, it's just the usual laziness that you would expect from voters who don't take the process seriously. If you're a voter and you really don't care who wins the Gold Gloves, your job is easy: You simply vote for who you voted for last year, or you vote for the player with the highest fielding percentage. Jimmy Rollins scored on both points, and one wonders if the voters have any idea that Troy Tulowitzki was again the best shortstop in the National League, just as he was in 2007 (when Rollins won his first Gold Glove).
Oh, I forgot the other Lazy Voter's Rule: Vote for the player with the most impressive non-fielding stats. That might seem like a strange tack, but remember that we're talking about voters who don't really give a tinker's damn. Adam Wainwright? Maybe he really is the best-fielding pitcher, even though he's a right-hander and there's absolutely zero statistical evidence that he did anything special after the ball was struck. In the Fielding Bible balloting, 20 National League pitchers showed up, and Wainwright was one of them ... in 17th place, and well behind teammates Joel Pineiro and Chris Carpenter.
We're not perfect. I don't want to ignore the possibility that Wainwright did things with the glove that were truly and meaningfully impressive this year.
A long time ago, I read that the most effective way to criticize someone is to offer a compliment, then your bit of criticism before finishing with another compliment and (if possible) a friendly squeeze of the shoulder. Unfortunately, the voters haven't done enough good things for that to work. So, instead I'll have to employ the less effective criticize-compliment-criticize paradigm.
At catcher, the voters defaulted to incumbent Yadier Molina, who is so obviously the best defensive catcher in the National League that if anyone else had won the Gold Glove, the award should have been blown up. More impressively, the voters also hit on first-time winner Ryan Zimmerman, who not only led the majors in Web Gems (an unofficial statistic) but also dominated most of the sophisticated fielding metrics that don't usually show up on TV. The voters could have gone for Kevin Kouzmanoff, who made only three errors in 139 games. They could have gone for David Wright, who won last year. But instead they chose the best defensive third baseman in the National League, and they score big points for that one.
So, bravo, sirs! You are to be commended for two of your choices!
Or rather, three of them. Everyone doesn't love Michael Bourn, but I rated him as the best center fielder in the National League. He's never won a Gold Glove and it would have been easy for the voters to ignore a weak-hitting kid playing for the Astros. But they didn't. Bravo, again.
And then we've got the rest of them. As usual, Albert Pujols was the best first baseman in the National League. But he made (gasp!) 13 errors, and I suppose some voters simply can't countenance a first baseman who makes 13 errors. So instead of Pujols with his 13 errors, we've got Adrian Gonzalez with his seven errors. That's right, folks: six errors probably cost Pujols the Gold Glove. Or perhaps it was simply a matter of incumbency, as Gonzalez won last year, too. This is far from criminal, as Gonzalez is a fine first baseman. It does strike me as odd that the voters remain reluctant to give Pujols -- who has just one Gold Glove on his mantel -- his due as not only the best hitter, but perhaps the best all-around player in the game today.
Rollins is a legacy pick, and so is Orlando Hudson, who won in 2006 and '07 and probably would have won last year if he hadn't spent a couple of months on the DL. Instead, the voters went with Brandon Phillips last season, and while he wasn't my first choice -- Chase Utley was -- Phillips was certainly defensible. This year, the voters returned to Hudson, once again spurning Utley, who still doesn't have a Gold Glove despite being arguably the league's top defensive second baseman for five seasons running. And not over the last five seasons; I mean in each of the last five seasons.
Who cares, right? Well, someday Utley's going to be on a Hall of Fame ballot, and at least a few voters will say, "Gosh, I love the guy's hitting stats, but why didn't he win any Gold Gloves?"
The answer isn't that Utley wasn't a great fielder; the answer is that the Gold Glove voters just weren't paying attention.
Speaking of which, I'm not sure what to say about Matt Kemp and Shane Victorino. Kemp gets bonus points because he's a good hitter and he's fast and he's got a good arm, with the only problem being that Kemp doesn't make a particularly large number of plays, which is sort of the point of the thing.
Victorino didn't make a great number of plays this season, either. But one can almost forgive the voters, because Victorino was solid last season (when he won his first Gold Glove) and even better in 2007 as a right fielder. Players typically peak early as fielders, but Victorino's (apparent) decline has been precipitous, and I have a hard time holding the voters responsible for tracking Victorino.
On the other hand, if we can't expect the voters to see that a player has declined in the field, what can we expect these voters to do? Watch "Baseball Tonight" every night and keep a careful log of Web Gems? If the voters -- and remember, we're talking about managers and coaches -- have any credibility, it's because they see the candidates regularly throughout the season, and because they presumably keep their ears to the ground. But when you look at the players who win Gold Gloves year after year in the face of all the available statistical evidence, it's easy to conclude that even that shred of credibility really hasn't been earned.
Rob Neyer
November 11, 2009 3:15 PM
Well, there's nothing truly offensive about the list of National League Gold Glove winners. Rather, it's just the usual laziness that you would expect from voters who don't take the process seriously. If you're a voter and you really don't care who wins the Gold Gloves, your job is easy: You simply vote for who you voted for last year, or you vote for the player with the highest fielding percentage. Jimmy Rollins scored on both points, and one wonders if the voters have any idea that Troy Tulowitzki was again the best shortstop in the National League, just as he was in 2007 (when Rollins won his first Gold Glove).
Oh, I forgot the other Lazy Voter's Rule: Vote for the player with the most impressive non-fielding stats. That might seem like a strange tack, but remember that we're talking about voters who don't really give a tinker's damn. Adam Wainwright? Maybe he really is the best-fielding pitcher, even though he's a right-hander and there's absolutely zero statistical evidence that he did anything special after the ball was struck. In the Fielding Bible balloting, 20 National League pitchers showed up, and Wainwright was one of them ... in 17th place, and well behind teammates Joel Pineiro and Chris Carpenter.
We're not perfect. I don't want to ignore the possibility that Wainwright did things with the glove that were truly and meaningfully impressive this year.
A long time ago, I read that the most effective way to criticize someone is to offer a compliment, then your bit of criticism before finishing with another compliment and (if possible) a friendly squeeze of the shoulder. Unfortunately, the voters haven't done enough good things for that to work. So, instead I'll have to employ the less effective criticize-compliment-criticize paradigm.
At catcher, the voters defaulted to incumbent Yadier Molina, who is so obviously the best defensive catcher in the National League that if anyone else had won the Gold Glove, the award should have been blown up. More impressively, the voters also hit on first-time winner Ryan Zimmerman, who not only led the majors in Web Gems (an unofficial statistic) but also dominated most of the sophisticated fielding metrics that don't usually show up on TV. The voters could have gone for Kevin Kouzmanoff, who made only three errors in 139 games. They could have gone for David Wright, who won last year. But instead they chose the best defensive third baseman in the National League, and they score big points for that one.
So, bravo, sirs! You are to be commended for two of your choices!
Or rather, three of them. Everyone doesn't love Michael Bourn, but I rated him as the best center fielder in the National League. He's never won a Gold Glove and it would have been easy for the voters to ignore a weak-hitting kid playing for the Astros. But they didn't. Bravo, again.
And then we've got the rest of them. As usual, Albert Pujols was the best first baseman in the National League. But he made (gasp!) 13 errors, and I suppose some voters simply can't countenance a first baseman who makes 13 errors. So instead of Pujols with his 13 errors, we've got Adrian Gonzalez with his seven errors. That's right, folks: six errors probably cost Pujols the Gold Glove. Or perhaps it was simply a matter of incumbency, as Gonzalez won last year, too. This is far from criminal, as Gonzalez is a fine first baseman. It does strike me as odd that the voters remain reluctant to give Pujols -- who has just one Gold Glove on his mantel -- his due as not only the best hitter, but perhaps the best all-around player in the game today.
Rollins is a legacy pick, and so is Orlando Hudson, who won in 2006 and '07 and probably would have won last year if he hadn't spent a couple of months on the DL. Instead, the voters went with Brandon Phillips last season, and while he wasn't my first choice -- Chase Utley was -- Phillips was certainly defensible. This year, the voters returned to Hudson, once again spurning Utley, who still doesn't have a Gold Glove despite being arguably the league's top defensive second baseman for five seasons running. And not over the last five seasons; I mean in each of the last five seasons.
Who cares, right? Well, someday Utley's going to be on a Hall of Fame ballot, and at least a few voters will say, "Gosh, I love the guy's hitting stats, but why didn't he win any Gold Gloves?"
The answer isn't that Utley wasn't a great fielder; the answer is that the Gold Glove voters just weren't paying attention.
Speaking of which, I'm not sure what to say about Matt Kemp and Shane Victorino. Kemp gets bonus points because he's a good hitter and he's fast and he's got a good arm, with the only problem being that Kemp doesn't make a particularly large number of plays, which is sort of the point of the thing.
Victorino didn't make a great number of plays this season, either. But one can almost forgive the voters, because Victorino was solid last season (when he won his first Gold Glove) and even better in 2007 as a right fielder. Players typically peak early as fielders, but Victorino's (apparent) decline has been precipitous, and I have a hard time holding the voters responsible for tracking Victorino.
On the other hand, if we can't expect the voters to see that a player has declined in the field, what can we expect these voters to do? Watch "Baseball Tonight" every night and keep a careful log of Web Gems? If the voters -- and remember, we're talking about managers and coaches -- have any credibility, it's because they see the candidates regularly throughout the season, and because they presumably keep their ears to the ground. But when you look at the players who win Gold Gloves year after year in the face of all the available statistical evidence, it's easy to conclude that even that shred of credibility really hasn't been earned.
I can understand Mauer and Jeter there but Youk over Teix IMO has by far been the best at 1st this year he makes a great play every game.
Add to that Youk only played 77 games at first I'm not a fan of Neyer at ESPN seems to be very pro Sox.
It's a no brainer however that Youks contention for a GG was hinder by his own versatility.
As it was aleady mentioned, if Palmero won a GG that year, Youk was well in line this season
As it was aleady mentioned, if Palmero won a GG that year, Youk was well in line this season
As for the NL GG's, Troy Tulowitzki and Jack Wilson should have been in it, but there's noting outlandish about these picks, just again, a bit of repetition.
Gold Gloves in Need of More Polish -- MLB FanHouse
Rafael Palmeiro famously won the Gold Glove at first base in 1999 despite playing only 28 games in the field the entire season. Why? Because he won it the two previous years and because he was a famous and established hitter -- reasons that had nothing to do with his actual defensive prowess that season (in the 28 games where his glove mattered).
Rafael Palmeiro famously won the Gold Glove at first base in 1999 despite playing only 28 games in the field the entire season. Why? Because he won it the two previous years and because he was a famous and established hitter -- reasons that had nothing to do with his actual defensive prowess that season (in the 28 games where his glove mattered).
Winter meetings going on now.
News coming from it is 3 way trade between the Yanks, DBack and Tigers.
NYY-Granderson. Det- Scherzer, Schlereth, Austin Jackson, Phil Coke. DBacks - Ian Kennedy, Edwin Jackson
News coming from it is 3 way trade between the Yanks, DBack and Tigers.
NYY-Granderson. Det- Scherzer, Schlereth, Austin Jackson, Phil Coke. DBacks - Ian Kennedy, Edwin Jackson
Very funny.
Anyway looks like this trade is done now I like it from the Yankees point of view Granderson could hit 40 homers in Yankee stadium and very good CF. Tigers get the best part of the deal in Scherzer and with AJax is a great CF prospect Verlander, Porcello, Scherzer could be amazing. I don't think its a great trade for the but not bad Dbacks Edwin Jackson might be great in the NL he did fall of second half of last season.
Anyway looks like this trade is done now I like it from the Yankees point of view Granderson could hit 40 homers in Yankee stadium and very good CF. Tigers get the best part of the deal in Scherzer and with AJax is a great CF prospect Verlander, Porcello, Scherzer could be amazing. I don't think its a great trade for the but not bad Dbacks Edwin Jackson might be great in the NL he did fall of second half of last season.
I like this trade, Granderson is a defensive upgrade and his power has been decent. Kinda a shame we gave up Ajax but this is a decent deal, Coke and Kennedy I could care less.
Giving up Jackson kinda makes it look like if we want Halladay then we are giving up one or both of Joba/Hughes and possibly Montero, I really hope we dont deal Montero but to have Halladay in a rotation with CC, AJ & Pettitte would be incredible.
Giving up Jackson kinda makes it look like if we want Halladay then we are giving up one or both of Joba/Hughes and possibly Montero, I really hope we dont deal Montero but to have Halladay in a rotation with CC, AJ & Pettitte would be incredible.
A few die-hards I know claim that Jackson is a bit of an arrogant nut in the locker room.
He was a poison, complained about not getting time during Damon's bad stretch in the 2nd half, etc.
Great deal for the Yankees, Kennedy was always on his way out, a bit shocked The Tigers gave up Edwin Jackson though
I wonder what happens to Halladay now I just read that Theo said he isn't gonna trade Buchholz or Casey Kelly does that rule them out of the Halladay talks. The Yankees are not trading Hughes and Joba the Jays want both, the Yanks would trade 1 of them not both now AJax has gone what else can they add to a deal now Jesus Montero is untradable.
We don't NEED Halladay, that's my theory on this.
Casey Kelly, since he's decided to be a full-time pitcher, is the best prospect in baseball, period. Why in gods name would we do that, 2 days after he announced the forementioned commitment?
Anthopolis is going to have to ask for a smaller deal, and that's going to open up the floodgates... They want an instant effective position player, and 3 High-grade prospects.
Our less than obvious plan would be: Lowell (And his contract), Bowden/Buchholz (The latter more likely) & Two of Westmoreland/Kalish/Reddick/Anderson
Notes on that:
- Theo though, doesn't fancy moving Lowell in any sort of deal that doesn't upgrade the team at that position
- Theo rates Buchholz and Tito and co. seem to think he's in the rotation next season for good.
- Bowden is too old to be considered a high-end prospect now.
- Westmoreland is potentially David Ortiz' replacement once he's ready.
- Kalish is going to be MLB ready in 2 years
- Reddick is a good outfielder, nothing more
- Anderson is off a bad season, but has potential
The Jays GM is getting greedy, and to be honest, over-valuing Halladay: It's now or never, so you either get what you get now, or get nothing later.
I see a Johan Santana situation coming on for the Jays, they will end up with nothing if they arnt careful. If you know the guy has no intention of re-signing a year in advance why take a risk, get whats fair and be happy.
I've heard Halladay to LAA makes the most sense as they have the prospects to pull of such a deal and they need him more than BOS or NYY.