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20 Years Ago Today
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Bitter cnuts out on this thread. Lad was an exceptional player for us, but lets just focus on the negatives
Let's do both.
Great player.
cnut.
You could just as easily make that timeline with during and after SAF and the trend would be even clearer. You could also call that timeline "Before and after signing Obertan". It doesn't really prove much on it's own.
Ah the old switching employers line. By that logic rivalries don't exist and neither does passion and respect for the club. Theyre all just employees. I don't know of too many "employees" who try to break a binding contract of employment and compare themselves to slaves and get taken too seriously.
The wife thing is an analogy. Analogies don't tend to be related directly to the topic. They require some imagination which is clearly lacking.
United fans who dislike Ronaldo are WELL within their rights to do so and no amount of fawning nostalgic revisionism will erase some of those antics.
It proves that when Ronaldo left we struggled more to get over the line. I don’t disagree that SAF was an even bigger factor. But you don’t lose one of the greatest players to ever play the game and not suffer afterwards which of course we did. Going from winning 3 in a row. The CL. League cups. FA Cup. World club cups etc to only three trophies in the next six seasons.
I think you must have problems with comprehension. Let me clear it up.
Our decline clearly STARTS in 09/10. If you take two four year periods
05/06-08/09
3 league titles (3 in a row)
1 CL
2 league cups
1 club World Cup
09/10-12/13
2 league titles
1 league cup
We declined when Ronaldo left. We fell off a cliff after SAF left.
Absolute legend of the game and pure genius. Driven by the desire to continuously win and be the best. Arguably a power hungry man who didn’t take any criticism well but who does when they have that winning mentality.
18 year old Cristiano Ronaldo signs for Man Utd.
As for Ronaldo, meh Messi is levels above. But an example of what you can achieve if you believe in yourself and work hard. 1) you can fix your teeth. 2) build a decent physique. 3) look 28 at 38.. and score a lot of goals.
You don't even have Rooney on this list.
Yes, though it was
This is true
Tarnished his legacy but I still remember the good far more than the bad.
No…He wouldn’t be much further down and there is the likes of Law, Crerand, Stiles, Rio, Vidic etc. we’ve been blessed with some great players over the years.
That would be hilarious.
An interesting debate would be who would be considered the bigger legend of the game? Two absolute geniuses who recognise and respect the genius of each other.
Saw this and it made me smile. great tackle from Keane (obligatory 'that's his job') and great goal from Ronaldo
https://youtube.com/shorts/TGYeoWHudkE?feature=share
https://youtube.com/shorts/TGYeoWHudkE?feature=share
Enjoy the bitterness, it'll serve you well. Go watch some of Ronnie's content on his life in Saudi just to drive it home
Thanks. Based on your criteria I’d say me because I’ve not heard SAF speak about me yet.
You're nowhere near as intelligent as you think you are. Nothing to do with comprehension especially when dealing with somebody who doesn't grasp the simple concept of correlation not equaling causation.
You're taking random timelines to prove your so called facts and ignoring the massive amount of other variables. You have to remember Ronaldo leaving was one thing, but Tevez also left and the squad was criminally under invested by the Glazers at that point with no midfield signings happening between Hargreaves and bloody Fellaini.
You can also move arbitrary timelines around to make whatever nonsense point you want. Using your highly intellectual and non biased logic:
99 - PL
00 - PL
01 - PL
02 - 3rd
03 - PL
Then no league until 07. Who joined in 03? Ronaldo. Therefore, was it because of Ronaldo that we stopped dominating the game? Or was it the myriad of other variables at play?
Comprehension, gimme a break.
Long live CR7
Enjoy the bitterness, it'll serve you well. Go watch some of Ronnie's content on his life in Saudi just to drive it home
Ah the old classic of "he is rich so you are wrong". Elon Musk is the richest man alive, still a dork. Putin is one of the richest, and well, you know. For all the money, he still has to actually live ij Saudi. I would have zero interest in that isolated compound life he lives. So dont assume that him being rich and successful, will suddenly make someone who thinks poorly of how he twice shafted the club as bitter. Money isn't everything but since your statement showed me that we have diametrically different views on the world, and I think simping for rich people is utterly pathetic, I think we will leave it there.
Did I mention his wealth? Don't think so. Sounds like you're a tad jealous!
I'm simping for no one, simply pointing out I prefer to focus on the many amazing moments he brought to the club. Shame you just focus and project your bitterness onto others.
One of the greatest players of all time, for me only surpassed by Messi and Pele, and a key part of on of our most dominant sides ever. I tend to focus on the positive and not on the negative (contrary to the majority of the Caf), but the guy certainly tarnished his legacy with that Morgan interview.
Your opening contribution to this thread was calling other "bitter cnuts" for having the audacity not to behave like little ***** to Ronaldo in their fandom just because he played well for us. No jealousy here pal, maybe you are jealous you arent his best friend it would seem. You were clearly implying the money, don't act the thick after the fact.
It's you that is projecting and youre the one who seems to have a bitter agenda. I'm merely pointing out that not everyone that disagrees with you is bitter and it is laughably small-minded and arrogant to suggest they are. Some people have self respect and backbone on their expectations on how players treat the club. But you do you.
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I feel really old now.
Ill be honest him coming back was magical, but it really didnt end well. These days I find it easier to remember the good times and not think about all the shit he pulled to utterly tarnish his legacy.
Wonder how long it will be before we go back to celebrating him again.
Ill be honest him coming back was magical, but it really didnt end well. These days I find it easier to remember the good times and not think about all the shit he pulled to utterly tarnish his legacy.
Wonder how long it will be before we go back to celebrating him again.
Why would I want to be Ronnie's friend? Sorry random tandems your going off on. I enjoyed watching him perform for United.
You wish to dwell on a lot of resentment, that's on you and maybe Elon Musk? I dunno. But certainly not something I'd recommend, resentment isn't healthy and doesn't seem to be working well for you.
A lot of clubs can make a list of their great players.
The cnut
You know nothing about me and your attempts at condescension and sneer say a lot more about you than they do about me.
I'll leave you to your Ronaldo posters.
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Of course I don't know you, I can only go of what you post,. Again with the angry reply, so maybe Iunderlying issues are surfacing? Try enjoying life, not dwelling on old issues. Advice isn't sneering or condescending, it's just advice, you can either take it or not.
Anyways back on thread, Ronaldo brought and contributed a lot to the club, very glad we signed him, the positives far outweighed any negatives.
Nice one
I remember Alan Green absolutely forthing at the mouth because we paid 12m for an 18 year old. Oh dear Alan, what ever happened to that oaf?
Absolute baller. To think he's still got that dog in him aged 52 and playing in Kuwait is absolutely mad.
He looks a lot like Garnashers, and that sweater is gash.
There's also the penny pinching which isn't being factored in. The refusal to reinvest the Ronaldo money and the 'no value in the market' crap because the Glazers didn't want to spend anything. The period after he left until the season before Fergie's last one, there was little investment in new players. They still hadn't spent the Ronaldo money by the start of the 2012 season.
How are they random timelines? I’ve gone with the same time periods pre and post. I’ve included the entire time he was here as a raw (ish) teenager to the time he matured into the best player in the world. You then said it was SAF leaving that was where decline STARTED, so again I took an equal amount of time pre and post to look at what was happening with and without, that showed we were winning twice as much and a lot more regularly with Ronaldo than without.
I’m not sure what you don’t understand? when you lose a player of Ronaldo’s ability there will be a huge impact because the team will not be as good. You can clearly see the effect by looking before and after.
when you lose a player who scored 5 goals in 1800 minutes the season prior (Tevez) you can easily live with that.
It’s weird with Ronaldo, some fans seem so begrudging of how good he was, in ways that they have no problem with in regards to lesser players like Keane, Robson, Cantona, Best, Law, Charlton.
Do you think United win what they did from 93-97 if we don’t sign Cantona?
Do you think we win 3 fa cups in the 80s without Robson?
Do you think we win the European Cup without Best?
Do you think when you directly take out one of the greatest players to ever live from a team it might cause the team to not be as good leading to fewer trophy wins. Or do you believe Tevez was the reason?
Like I’ve said before Ronaldo was the difference in getting us over the line far more regularly once he matured into the best player in the world. Once we lost that player we got over the line far less frequently.
It’s not hard to understand. You just seem to have an issue with the player in question.
I’m also happy to remember the good times. There were lots of them and they were gloriousBitter cnuts out on this thread. Lad was an exceptional player for us, but lets just focus on the negatives
Great player, even in his early years you could see he had the poachers instinct that made him so lethal in front of goal.
I don’t disagree with any of that. None of that changes the fact that we won more with Ronaldo. Won less immediately after he left l, the very next season and beyond, and would have won more had he stayed.