Too big for the job, would have done better with a competent back office behind him (we are still seeing the impact of this vacuum behind the head coach)
10 years ago today David Moyes was announced as manager
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Both were too clever to walk into the inevitable mess of picking up after a reign like SAF. They would definitely have done better than Moyes, but they would also have been hamstrung by the ineptitude of Woodward & Co in the transfer market.
Moyes thought he was walking into a slightly bigger Everton. Underestimated the whole thing so badly, why he got rid of the back room staff is beyond comprehension.
He may yet win West Ham their first competitive trophy in God knows how many years
This is the first thread that seemed to be assessing him a month or two after he joined, lots of people calling the OP an idiot for daring to suggest he wasn't perfect 
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/moyes-so-far.373984/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/moyes-so-far.373984/
Gill leaving and being replaced by Woodward that Summer was also extremely harmful.
That 2013 Summer was the most clueless of all time. Chasing after targets with bid after bid when it was obviously they weren’t selling. £27m bid for Fellaini and Baines only to sign just Fellaini for £28m on deadline day. The Herrera situation. Leaving Australia on urgent transfer business. I could go on and on.
That 2013 Summer was the most clueless of all time. Chasing after targets with bid after bid when it was obviously they weren’t selling. £27m bid for Fellaini and Baines only to sign just Fellaini for £28m on deadline day. The Herrera situation. Leaving Australia on urgent transfer business. I could go on and on.
The day we became a laughing stock and have since been subjected to death by a thousand cuts.
The amount of negative records we've broken since SAF has been a joke.
The amount of negative records we've broken since SAF has been a joke.
He certainly wasn’t the right man for the job. And he set us back a good number of years. I had (and continue to have) a strong disliking for him
I do have some sympathy for him…very little…in that..
We won a truly awful league 2012/13. City, Chelsea, Liverpool we’re always gonna come back stronger and we were almost blinded by SAFs brilliance that he enabled such a group of players to be champions before handing them over to Moyes…albeit with a sprinkling of winners.
but, those winners were fierce SAF disciples - Evra, RVP especially who immediately struggled to accept/adapt shifting from a football genius to Moyes. They subsequently fell off a cliff.
We also had winners that were 39, 38 and 34.
add to that Rooney being on the decline and we quickly (almost without anticipating it) lost the nucleus of players/winners that had made us so successful - Rio, Vidic, Evra, Giggs, Scholes, RVP and Rooney.
The rest of the squad just weren’t at that level. It was such a decline and honestly unbelievable how quickly it escalated.
we are where we are now in a large part because of it…which ultimately is glazers fault for lack of investment and relying heavily on SAFs brilliance to manage with above average players
I do have some sympathy for him…very little…in that..
We won a truly awful league 2012/13. City, Chelsea, Liverpool we’re always gonna come back stronger and we were almost blinded by SAFs brilliance that he enabled such a group of players to be champions before handing them over to Moyes…albeit with a sprinkling of winners.
but, those winners were fierce SAF disciples - Evra, RVP especially who immediately struggled to accept/adapt shifting from a football genius to Moyes. They subsequently fell off a cliff.
We also had winners that were 39, 38 and 34.
add to that Rooney being on the decline and we quickly (almost without anticipating it) lost the nucleus of players/winners that had made us so successful - Rio, Vidic, Evra, Giggs, Scholes, RVP and Rooney.
The rest of the squad just weren’t at that level. It was such a decline and honestly unbelievable how quickly it escalated.
we are where we are now in a large part because of it…which ultimately is glazers fault for lack of investment and relying heavily on SAFs brilliance to manage with above average players
Guardiola would have walked within a year due to frustration about Woodward's incompetency.
Wrong guy at the wrong time, to follow SAF was difficult, can you blame him for the transfer window which was a disaster. Loads of cock up since then it may be taken them 10 years to work it out.
I got a memory from Facebook saying my thoughts was basicly ”if SAF thinks Moyes is the right choice, then i do to”
I remember feeling utterly depressed that the rumours were true and certain that he would fail. Moyes had demonstrated he was decent at Everton but never showed any kind of x factor.
In hindsight, while I was right about Moyes, I had underestimated just how dysfunctional the club became post-SAF and Gill. Most managers would have failed, just not so spectacularly.
In hindsight, while I was right about Moyes, I had underestimated just how dysfunctional the club became post-SAF and Gill. Most managers would have failed, just not so spectacularly.
I see some Utd fans have a real dislike for him, I’ve got nothing against him. Wasn’t good enough and was swallowed up by the job and spat back out. Never really thought it would go well.
I still maintain he was shafted on the job and inherited a terrible set of circumstances. Saying “well we won the league few months ago!” Doesn’t mean anything with the structural changes that took place at the club.
However, ultimately I think he still would have us be a top 3-4 team at best.
I really rate moyes as a manager but he’s a master at underdog clubs and building something from the ground up to take on the big boys
However, ultimately I think he still would have us be a top 3-4 team at best.
I really rate moyes as a manager but he’s a master at underdog clubs and building something from the ground up to take on the big boys
It's easy to be persuaded by hindsight, but I can clearly recall thinking it was a big mistake. He was out of his depth right from the start. Remember his complaints about the tough schedule?; he couldn't shift the Everton mindset.
One thing that tends to be forgotten / ignored is that it slightly besmirched SAF's record. How could Fergie get it so badly wrong?
One thing that tends to be forgotten / ignored is that it slightly besmirched SAF's record. How could Fergie get it so badly wrong?
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Thought that he was a terrible appointment there, spent the next few months bitching in the Caf, desperately wanted him out as soon as October, resigned to the fact that we will continue with him for a few years, then it was such a joy when he got fired. In short, I experienced the five stages of grief multiple times that season.
Still think that he was the worst managerial appointment we made.
Still think that he was the worst managerial appointment we made.
True - all talk of the 'big four' MU, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool ended with Fergie's retirement and City's climb to the top.
I'm as pessimistic as it gets when it comes to football but fecking hell, my imagination proved to be no match for reality. That first season after Fergie was beyond anything I was afraid of - who the hell thought we would finish behind EVERTON? The irony of it.
This is the first thread that seemed to be assessing him a month or two after he joined, lots of people calling the OP an idiot for daring to suggest he wasn't perfect
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/moyes-so-far.373984/
Not gonna trawl through it but I would imagine a lot of the stick he was getting would be if he trying to make long term conclusions about a manager who was only a month or two into his new job, trying to fill the shoes of the greatest manager the club has ever seen.
Beginning of the end 
I remember thinking we’d come third or something. Not 7th!
I do sometimes wonder how a more elite manager would’ve handled the transition. How would that season have gone if Pep had come in instead? Where would we be now etc. I can’t imagine we’d have bungled that Fellaini window quite so badly.
I do sometimes wonder how a more elite manager would’ve handled the transition. How would that season have gone if Pep had come in instead? Where would we be now etc. I can’t imagine we’d have bungled that Fellaini window quite so badly.
"Davie Fecking Moyes" were the words that came out my mouth when my brother broke the news to me. I was struggling to think of a username at the time and went with that (minus the swearing). Little did I know I would be stuck the username and his time would be such a disaster. As others have said he set us back years.
I was really hoping for Mourinho to come at the time and then had also been linked with a number of other big name managers so it was a real anti-climax. Naively I still thought we would be challenging up there even though the great man was gone. I thought with our name, relative spending power, strong squad the success would continue. I assumed the club would spend more than previously with knowing the wizard was gone. What a sh*te decade it has been.
The only consolation is during my childhood and teen years we experienced so much joy and success that I can't have any complaints if that is not replicated again. Not many experience the success we have as fans and ours was real success and earned success.
I would still be happy with being up there and challenging for Leagues and CLs even if the success is shared out between teams. Just don't want to go another 20+ years without the winning the league again.
I was really hoping for Mourinho to come at the time and then had also been linked with a number of other big name managers so it was a real anti-climax. Naively I still thought we would be challenging up there even though the great man was gone. I thought with our name, relative spending power, strong squad the success would continue. I assumed the club would spend more than previously with knowing the wizard was gone. What a sh*te decade it has been.
The only consolation is during my childhood and teen years we experienced so much joy and success that I can't have any complaints if that is not replicated again. Not many experience the success we have as fans and ours was real success and earned success.
I would still be happy with being up there and challenging for Leagues and CLs even if the success is shared out between teams. Just don't want to go another 20+ years without the winning the league again.
Oh come on. Moyes dont wanna look like he's too anxious for the job. We're not that penny pinching.
I never imagined it was going to turn out this bad. 10 years of suffering and very very little joy.
Come on now, there's a long way to go but we're getting there ( yes, and if L/pool beat us to top 4 and citeh do unspeakable things to us in the cup final, then we've well and truly arrived! ).Beginning of the end
As much as I dislike him now, I do think the transition would've been better had it been Mourinho. Who knows how he would have excited the club and what state we'd have been in afterwards, but the 13/14 season would have been better for sure.
We were so cushioned in success that we didn't even think about failure, Moyes was a nice prospect because we wanted someone to replicate SAF and his longevity which Moyes at time looked to promise by being 10 years at Everton.
We thought we were too big to fail.
A nightmare that woke us from a beautiful dream into a cold and dark reality...
We thought we were too big to fail.
A nightmare that woke us from a beautiful dream into a cold and dark reality...
We’ll always have Phil Jones on corners.
After we won the Charity shield. Utd were favourites for the league.
Awful day….I was truly gutted. Scottish, after Sir Alex and Sir Matt…I clung to the fact he was Scottish. Nah that wasn’t the answer.
They posted the thread in July ffs. The season hadn’t even started yet. i wouldn’t even expect that impatience form todays fansThis is the first thread that seemed to be assessing him a month or two after he joined, lots of people calling the OP an idiot for daring to suggest he wasn't perfect
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/moyes-so-far.373984/
Moyes alone didn't. It was set up to fail by the Glazers years before and primarily orchestrated by Woodward. The managers in between were busy figureheads to the mismanagement and greed behind doors.
And we’ve endured a decade of pain since that fateful day.
The scale of our drop off has been disastrous.
The scale of our drop off has been disastrous.
Didn't the fecker go on holiday anyway?
What was the phrase at the time - “honest, hard-working manager”? Shades of the praise Weghorst gets.
You ruined my day.
My initial reaction was disappointment and then I spent time convincing myself that it could maybe work and it wouldn’t be that bad.
Didn’t he go on holiday for the entirety of June as well? Compared to ETH skipping the Ajax holiday to Curacao to attend the Palace away game right after winning the Eredivisie.
And the less thinking about that summer transfer window with Moyes, the better. Fecking hell that was brutal. Didn’t the cnut veto Thiago Alcantara? What a fecking big brain move that was.
God you get me wound up
Didn’t he go on holiday for the entirety of June as well? Compared to ETH skipping the Ajax holiday to Curacao to attend the Palace away game right after winning the Eredivisie.
And the less thinking about that summer transfer window with Moyes, the better. Fecking hell that was brutal. Didn’t the cnut veto Thiago Alcantara? What a fecking big brain move that was.
God you get me wound up
Yeah he wanted a holiday after the season finished but I'm pretty sure he could've started sooner than July 1st. He started a week before we flew to China for pre-season. Ridiculous.
But they were totally right, and there were worrying signs early on not to mention there was nothing in his CV suggesting he would be capable. I dare say if moyes had been appointed to real Madrid, Barcelona or bayern Munich, their fanbases would be questioning him from the moment he came in
Moyes was never going to make the grade at OT his teams play a style of football that is great for teams looking at mid-table mediocrity but I don't think he ever had the ability to take United to the title or Champions League, he took on a team that won the title with 89 points beating City by 13 points and tried to change their style and pattern of play, with disastrous consequences. But the real problem came with the appointment of Ed Woodward as Executive VP, the rest is history and sadly that's what happens when accountants run football clubs.
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Following morning:
Zaha transfer listed