Walk the Walk don't just Talk the Talk!
“It is our ambition to re-establish Manchester United as a title-winning club”
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We Can do things in transfer market ,other team can only dream of!!! - Ed Wayward
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We Can do things in transfer market ,other team can only dream of!!! - Ed Wayward
To be fair he wasn't wrong. No other club would have bought the likes of Weghorst or given Phil Jones new contracts so technically Ed stuck to his word.
I feel like only United fans would complain about the wording of this 
This is the latest place where fans can let their PTSD run wild. I get it.
If you were to analyse our post Jan 2014 transfer policy, people who were maybe from outside the UK, and perhaps not paying complete attention, would probably ask questions about why we weren't challenging for the title every season.
The club have clearly shown ambition but acted wrecklessly at almost every opportunity. We have acted like a big club but maybe that was the problem? We spent big on Pogba and Di Maria when it was probably players (and personalities) like Carrick and even Park that were needed. There's ultimately a reason why city weren't going all in for the players we spent hundreds of millions on overall.
Having a sensible transfer and recruitment policy doesn't cost large amounts of money, it just needs good management and a wider culture that doesn't panic at the first sign of crisis. Common sense things!
If the new CEO alongside INEOS bring even 20% of that common sense/culture/strategy over the next few months, we'll be in a much better position.
The club have clearly shown ambition but acted wrecklessly at almost every opportunity. We have acted like a big club but maybe that was the problem? We spent big on Pogba and Di Maria when it was probably players (and personalities) like Carrick and even Park that were needed. There's ultimately a reason why city weren't going all in for the players we spent hundreds of millions on overall.
Having a sensible transfer and recruitment policy doesn't cost large amounts of money, it just needs good management and a wider culture that doesn't panic at the first sign of crisis. Common sense things!
If the new CEO alongside INEOS bring even 20% of that common sense/culture/strategy over the next few months, we'll be in a much better position.
You mean Florentino Perez?
He is cnut, but I wish he is our CEO hah he would set up us to challenge next season.
Yes.
The man would solve this club's decades-old problem, which is a constant refusal to sign world class players (but but but Pogba and Veron didnt work out)
I will counter that by saying that the club hasnt spent enough, as all of the spending came after nearly a decade of penny-pinching that saw United lose some of their best players and with a squad of formerly world class players on their last legs.
There is actually not a single top club in the world without financial issues (which United did have, in a way) that would allow their squad to get to the state of United's squad in 2013.
When SAF retired, there was not a single position bar between the posts where United had a starter of sufficient quality capable of maintaining the required level for more than a couple of years.
In such a situation, United needed to spend 500-600 m over two seasons and get most of the transfers right. An almost impossible task.
Semantics. It’s all the same meaning.
Dude what are you actually moaning about here? Take a step back man
"Stated ambition" is a super common term used in businesses, including football clubs. It's not cringey at all.
Yeah.
He loves the club(RM) . Another one was that Italian creep Berlusconi.
The squad that Fergie left wasn't as bad as people say. Certainly not one that should have finished 7th anyway.
The team/club just needed a competent manager to make the small tweaks needed to keep us challenging. It needed someone strong enough to move one of Rio/Vidic on a year earlier, sign a new left back (whilst potentially moving Evra on) and sign a midfielder.
The argument that we needed to spend 500/600 million is flawed. You need to spend the money on a player that suits the system/club. As I said further up, sometimes the "cheaper" option is the better option.
We have spent the money (certainly if you bring in the wages element) just not very well. The biggest football related issue with the Glazers post 2013 was seemingly leaving the big decisions to Woodward. I despise the family as much as anyone but the club should have still succeeded with them as owners.
The summer that really killed us was 2014 when we signed Di Maria and Falcao. It was clear then any structure/culture that Van Gaal was trying to bring in was out the window as we went all out for the big names. Changing that strategy every 18 months is what leaves you with a mish mash of a squad that doesn't really work for anyone and leaves every new manager with a monumental rebuilding process and ultimately on a path to failure before they have even started.
To quote Mourinho, see where they play, how they play if they play.
So which players in the 2013 squad other than DDG were good enough to be in a title winning side for 3-4 more years?
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Reads like Christopher Walken wrote this.
Sorry, it’s cringey.
But none of this matters. What matters is what club does, not how its PR team phrases its press releases.
Was Rashford there?
Tbf… and I’m a Jim Ratcliffe skeptic. Not just him but also I think the whole Glazers still owning the majority of the club will sooner or later be a hindrance and I expect the inevitable news of falling out.
But hiring Omar from City is an action and very substantial one. So at present it does speak louder than words. Time will tell how it goes.
Not sure how true. But heard Rashford’s brother had a meeting with ETH and Brailsford was in attendance. He was told that if Rashford didn’t fix up the club would look at alternatives in the summer.
Out injured with a strained liver.
It's good they are prepared to do this and talk with the squad directly, not something that would have happened with the past regime. That said whether or not it would have sunk in who knows. Part of me is wondering whether, with Brailsford and Ten Hag in front of them, they weren't just distracted by the Right Said Fred similarities and desperately not trying to hum 'I'm too sexy...'
Read about SAF banging the table and having a heated argument with Mino Raiola and then letting Paul Pogba walk for free.
SAF knew how he wants the culture in the club to be and will not condone any player being bigger than the club (maybe exception of Ronaldo). Nowadays, we seem so fearful of letting players go. How Phil Jones and Antony Martial can stay in the club this long is beyond me. So many non performing players and we just keep renewing their contracts. Rashford's nonsense nightout is just another example of how the players doesn't fear stepping out of line.
Hope this new CEO can set things straight again and start building a proper culture in this club.
SAF knew how he wants the culture in the club to be and will not condone any player being bigger than the club (maybe exception of Ronaldo). Nowadays, we seem so fearful of letting players go. How Phil Jones and Antony Martial can stay in the club this long is beyond me. So many non performing players and we just keep renewing their contracts. Rashford's nonsense nightout is just another example of how the players doesn't fear stepping out of line.
Hope this new CEO can set things straight again and start building a proper culture in this club.
Phil Jones just had a lot of injuries and got an extension at a bad time. Fergie is the one who signed him so I think his attitude is OK. Martial is a joke obviously.
While the majority of Manchester United fans have understood Jones is seriously injury-prone and working hard to return, there was bemusement when he was offered a new contract in 2019. Despite such limited involvement and major fitness issues, he was handed a deal in 2019 that runs until June 2023 and also contains an option for a further year.
Above is the quote from the papers. Why was he even offered a new contract in 2019 is exactly one of the key issue with United. Keeping a non performing or constantly injured under the paycheck and preventing us from signing better players.
Players then all left and started moaning about their fee fees
Do you reckon INEOS are for or against going out on a bender the day before a game?
Agree with a lot you say here @moodyred. Everyone on the inside, the fans and everyone on the outside can point you in the direction of what is wrong at our club and it starts at the very top with acceptable standards for the club.
City, Liverpool, Bayern, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Dortmund (and prob some of the Italian clubs but TV deal has screwed them over) They all share a common theme in that it is a football first culture. Get it right on the pitch and the till will keep on ringing. Whereas we until now have been managed by absentee landlords only interested in $$$$ and the point about getting it right on the pitch has been completely lost on the Glazers.
I am glad to see the likes of SJR, showing face. I like the fact Brailsford is snooping around every aspect of the club like Columbo on Acid...............'Just one more thing'
This summer is a massive one for the club. A new leadership team in place above the head coach to set the vision and the minimum standard all involved with Utd should aspire to. All around the football industry there will be massive managerial moves. Barca, Liverpool needing new managers and you could potentially add Real Madrid, Arsenal and Bayern. These new projects will no doubt see quite a few player movements. Would not surprise me in the least to see Mbappe finally goto Real and the new leadership team make an example of Rashford and ship him off to Paris by way of a statement of intent.
Exciting times ahead.
PSG have a long standing hard on for him, their Chairman can very feasibly pay that. Rashford scored ~30 goals last season which isn't that long ago and he's still 26.
I'm genuinely asking because I don't know Rashford was suspended for being a naughty boy.Sounds a lot like "get your shit together or get out" to me.
It's a sad state of affairs when you need to explain things that should be self-explanatory. I hope i'm wrong, but there has been a normalization of certain attitudes over the last decade that's nearly impossible to cut out now just with words. We need an electroshock, something that will not open a whole new chapter for the club. Just remember van Persie's anecdote after the defeat in the derby (2013) and imagine the scenes if it happened in this dressing room.
Thinly veiled threat. "Regardless of what we do with the manager, if you've not performed to the fullest of your ability - you're out."
Let's see if they get it. Astounding that he felt a need to tell them that.
Not sure that's even possible for as long as City's financial cheating is allowed to continue. But I will settle for us being a respectable club that plays good football again.
Makes a change from " Get your shit together or we're going to offer you a new improved 4 year contract with the option of a further year".
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Going back over old ground but jones was fit at time of his contract and later got serious illness. You can queries the type or length of contract considering his health up to that point but he was fit and healthy at that stage and a good, professional player. There was no reason not to
At the time of his contract, he was fit but his career was riddled with injuries and he was missing quite a number of games every other season. I just had a look at his injury history and he was out for 20 games in 2012-13 season and he had injury almost every season. Every other season he was out for almost 10 games or more and if you count the need to get back to fitness etc, he would have been out longer. Also, his 2018 season was no better and yet we extended him in 2019 thinking things will be better? Its almost like expecting Martial to stay fit for a season. To be fair, he isn't as bad as Martial, but close to being jinx as one.
I remember Jones being a hardworking footballer and will give his all in a game. However, I don't remember him being an exceptional footballer. Hence, I was really puzzled with the contract extension.
Hence why I said you could argue over the type of contract (could have done pay as you play for example) or the length
jones was highly rated when we bought him. Probably the best young CB in the country, but also was one of those players like OShea who could play multiple positions.
anyway don’t want to distract this thread any longer
You've only got to look at the salaries compared to the performances and that speech writes itself in any other industry anywhere in the world. Our players have gotten away with being kept on no matter how far standards fall that they will feel hard done by that talk.