“It is our ambition to re-establish Manchester United as a title-winning club”

I am optimistic about the appointments so far and do not really have an issue with the wording of the statement, although I take lex's point.

They could start by putting the words "Football Club" back on the badge.
 
lex talionis said:
Nice intent, but the wording is pathetic. "It is our stated ambition...". WTF?

The weasly language needs to be cleaned up. Something like this for a start.

“The Club is determined to shall put football and performance on the pitch back at the heart of everything we do”

“It is our stated ambition to We will re-establish Manchester United as a title-winning club”

“Omar will be joining us to help achieve that goal, so that, once again, United fans can see, in the words of Sir Matt Busby, to ensure the red flag will be flying high at the summit of English, European and world football.”
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If the State owned club across the City are allowed to continue to cheat like feck, stating we will do something is just idiot talk. No-one can guarantee anything.

I remember when Ole guaranteed he’d be a success here, that went well.
 
ChatGPT: "Manchester United is committed to reignite the fervour and success that has always been the cornerstone of our legacy. Central to our mission is a resolute focus on elevating our on-pitch performance and football excellence, ensuring they are at the forefront of all our endeavours.

We unequivocally set our sights on restoring Manchester United's esteemed status as a championship-winning team, a goal deeply ingrained in our club's ethos.

In pursuit of this vision, we are thrilled to welcome Omar to our team. His expertise and passion are pivotal in our journey towards achieving unparalleled heights. Together, we aim to realise the legendary Sir Matt Busby's words, to see the red flag triumphantly soaring at the pinnacle of English, European, and global football, and reawaken the spirit and pride of Manchester United supporters worldwide."
 
People will say pick holes in absolutely everything.

The appointments and rumoured appointments are far more impressive than any statement in any case.
 
afrocentricity said:
I'd rather they look forward and implement ideas for improvement. Never been one for dwelling on the obvious/past
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I’d rather they learn lesson from the past…and implement ideas for improvement. The same people are still in charge
 
LawCharltonBest said:
The CEO announcement statement struck me as very different to their usual carefully-worded statements. Much more fighting talk.

“The Club is determined to put football and performance on the pitch back at the heart of everything we do”

“It is our stated ambition to re-establish Manchester United as a title-winning club”

“Omar will be joining us to help achieve that goal, so that, once again, United fans can see, in the words of Sir Matt Busby, the red flag flying high at the summit of English, European and world football.”

What do we think? Just fan-lifting PR? Or are you satisfied that United are going to put football and success first?
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Just reading it puts a smile on my face. Can't wait to see them try.

It seems post SAF we've often just not tried. So many times the team just kind of gave up.
 
Jeppers7 said:
I’d rather they learn lesson from the past…and implement ideas for improvement. The same people are still in charge
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Just words lads, surprised they didn't mention the class of 92 in there as well. Let's see what they actually do in the next 12 months. We'll be the judge of whether or not we're getting closer to anything.
 
Off to a decent start. Kick Murtough out and bring in a competent DoF.
 
crossy1686 said:
Just words lads, surprised they didn't mention the class of 92 in there as well. Let's see what they actually do in the next 12 months. We'll be the judge of whether or not we're getting closer to anything.
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I do absolutely agree. And it would be foolish not to be sceptical after the last decade of failure, and with the Glazers still in majority control.

But early signs are that it isn’t “just words” they’ve already started making big decisions before even being officially in position.

Whether it all works is another thing but I’m seeing more imagination and passion.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I do absolutely agree. And it would be foolish not to be sceptical after the last decade of failure, and with the Glazers still in majority control.

But early signs are that it isn’t “just words” they’ve already started making big decisions before even being officially in position.

Whether it all works is another thing but I’m seeing more imagination and passion.
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Changing something that is clearly broken is always a good thing, but like I said, I want to see actual results before we get carried away. There's a lot that could go right, and there's a lot that could go wrong with this appointment, but INEOS do appear to be putting football people in the place in key positions. So ultimately we'll see what happens in the next 12 months or so.
 
Counterfactual said:
Whoever they are, they love a good comma, even more than me, and I'm partial to one!
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I am a comma kind of guy, love that thing. It's right up my alley.

lex talionis said:
Nice intent, but the wording is pathetic. "It is our stated ambition...". WTF?



The weasly language needs to be cleaned up. Something like this for a start.



“The Club is determined to shall put football and performance on the pitch back at the heart of everything we do”



“It is our stated ambition to We will re-establish Manchester United as a title-winning club”



“Omar will be joining us to help achieve that goal, so that, once again, United fans can see, in the words of Sir Matt Busby, to ensure the red flag will be flying high at the summit of English, European and world football.”
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Speaking in absolute terms has never ever backfired.
 
lex talionis said:
Nice intent, but the wording is pathetic. "It is our stated ambition...". WTF?

The weasly language needs to be cleaned up. Something like this for a start.

“The Club is determined to shall put football and performance on the pitch back at the heart of everything we do”

“It is our stated ambition to We will re-establish Manchester United as a title-winning club”

“Omar will be joining us to help achieve that goal, so that, once again, United fans can see, in the words of Sir Matt Busby, to ensure the red flag will be flying high at the summit of English, European and world football.”
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NewGlory said:
I am with @lex talionis, "it is our stated ambition" sounds VERY carefully worded and is extremely noncommittal. It's bad.

It's not his fecking ambition, it is HIS JOB to re-establish Manchester United as a title-winning club. Feck ambition. I have zillion ambitions, most of them will never happen, and have nothing to do with my job
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Lads, stop being ridiculous. With all the will and money in the world it still may not happen. It's not a foregone conclusion and they'd be stupid to say we're definitely going to win the league with all of the factors involved.
 
A very pointed statement, so much so that I can't believe we released it. If the Glazers had left I maybe would have expected some wording like that, but the fact is they are still makes it surprisingly we would throw a bit of shade at the in official club statements.
 
Red the Bear said:
It's corporate talk , plausible denibility and all, it's expected.
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As the new CEO, he is "corporate" and he chooses what language to use. He chose to continue using the same sleazy deniability crap
 
Withnail said:
Lads, stop being ridiculous. With all the will and money in the world it still may not happen. It's not a foregone conclusion and they'd be stupid to say we're definitely going to win the league with all of the factors involved.
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Nobody was asking him to say they definitely will win but he could have said it is his job to get us there, he chose to bla-bla-bla about ambition
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
If the State owned club across the City are allowed to continue to cheat like feck, stating we will do something is just idiot talk. No-one can guarantee anything.

I remember when Ole guaranteed he’d be a success here, that went well.
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This is a media statement, not a contract. Even if the wording of the media statement wished to convey nothing more than the sense “we’ll really try this time” starting with “It is our stated ambition” is weak tea.

Say you’re on the altar with the love of your life on your wedding day and instead of saying “I do” you say “it is my stated ambition not to cheat on you”.
 
People need to calm down. We are probably 5 years from any serious talk. And that is even if Jimmy do everything right.
 
lex talionis said:
Say you’re on the altar with the love of your life on your wedding day and instead of saying “I do” you say “it is my stated ambition not to cheat on you”.
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I personally am in control of the guarantees I made in my vows though. If I break them it’s because of me.

I personally thought Ole sounded like a deluded dipshit when he claimed “I will be successful here”; and I and many others would have thought the same if Ineos started guaranteeing Premier League titles. It’d sound stupid as feck.

In the Sheikh’s original letter to City fans, he stated that they were lucky to have the best young British manager in Hughes and that he was integral to the club, and that it would take time for them to be able to establish themselves as a top four club, but that was their intention.

You’re being daft here pal.
 
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Acquire Me said:
5 years, no, but it will not be a quick fix.
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I love your optimism.
Imho we need new sqaud bar Mainoo and Garnacho, we need to get right with our next manager, and our new signings needs to be good (this is hardest part, every team had dud transfers,even best ones).
Total culture change, we have to many players who just ride the wave of being Manchester United players.
And we need structure where manager is just one part of the bigger machine, if he isn't good just replace him.
New training facilities, fresh OT or new stadium.
I love this club but Glazers fecked us up really good.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I personally am in control of the guarantees I made in my vows though. If I break them it’s because of me.

I personally thought Ole sounded like a deluded dipshit when he claimed “I will be successful here”; and I and many others would have thought the same if Ineos started guaranteeing Premier League titles. It’d sound stupid as feck.

In the Sheikh’s original letter to City fans, he stated that they were lucky to have the best young British manager in Hughes and that he was integral to the club, and that it would take time for them to be able to establish themselves as a top four club, but that was their intention.

You’re being daft here pal.
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I understand what you’re saying, but it’s actually daft to use words like it is the club’s intent to be ambitious. There is no nothing wrong at all with stating that one will be ambitious and nothing is served by hiding behind the words it is our intent to be ambitious.

In the end the press release doesn’t matter, but if one is going to issue a press release FFS get it right.
 
Don't care until I see actual results on the pitch. We have seen this many times before.
 
lex talionis said:
I understand what you’re saying, but it’s actually daft to use words like it is the club’s intent to be ambitious. There is no nothing wrong at all with stating that one will be ambitious and nothing is served by hiding behind the words it is our intent to be ambitious.
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Good job they said nothing of the sort then, “it is our stated ambition” were the words used, exactly what you asked of them above here ;)
 
Juicy Juiced said:
I love your optimism.
Imho we need new sqaud bar Mainoo and Garnacho, we need to get right with our next manager, and our new signings needs to be good (this is hardest part, every team had dud transfers,even best ones).
Total culture change, we have to many players who just ride the wave of being Manchester United players.
And we need structure where manager is just one part of the bigger machine, if he isn't good just replace him.
New training facilities, fresh OT or new stadium.
I love this club but Glazers fecked us up really good.
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It’s going to be a lot of work. I think we can build around some of the players, especially those who you mentioned. I believe Mason Mount will come back and be a very good player for us as well.

I know many fans have given up on Erik ten Hag, but a lot of people, including me, believe he deserves to manage under a serious football setup. I think he will thrive.

Exciting times for all of us, that’s for sure.
 
These are just words.
When we employed the likes of Moyes, Jose, ETH, even - they claimed that they'd have us winning trophies (In fairness Jose did win, as did LVG).
So I am now numb to all this.
What I want now are results.
As of now, the team is struggling to win games and the on pitch performances are probably the worst we've seen in a long while. ETH only seems to know long-ball football and cannot bring the Ajax brand of football he was originally chosen for.
I want to see if the board make any moves in the January transfer window and who they replace ETH with.
I also want to see what they do with players who are not good enough to play in the EPL

We have a lot of deadwood in the team and ETH's purchases, in general, have been dreadful and probably should all be sold off.

There is so much work to do.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Good job they said nothing of the sort then, “it is our stated ambition” were the words used, exactly what you asked of them above here ;)
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My god, read the original words again:

“It is our stated ambition to re-establish Manchester United as a title-winning club”

One does not state the club's ambition by writing "it is our stated ambition to..." One states the club's ambition.

If the concern is not wishing to look like a fool in 10 years' time by virtue of not actually returning to a title-winning club, who the fukk is going to care about the press release issued 10 years prior? To underscore one's seriousness of intent, one would say "It is our ambition to...", not "It is our stated ambition to". What possibly clarifying purpose is served by the inserting the word "stated"? None whatsoever. It sounds lawyerly and craven.

Of course this is all subordinate to what actually happens on the pitch, but while we're on the subject of the press release here, it is cringey to issue a statement of purpose prefaced with the words "It is our stated ambition...".



 
lex talionis said:
My god, read the original words again:

“It is our stated ambition to re-establish Manchester United as a title-winning club”

One does not state the club's ambition by writing "it is our stated ambition to..." One states the club's ambition.

If the concern is not wishing to look like a fool in 10 years' time by virtue of not actually returning to a title-winning club, who the fukk is going to care about the press release issued 10 years prior? To underscore one's seriousness of intent, one would say "It is our ambition to...", not "It is our stated ambition to". What possibly clarifying purpose is served by the inserting the word "stated"? None whatsoever. It sounds lawyerly and craven.
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Stated simply means expressed formally or officially.

They have officially stated their ambition. It’s not just their “ambition” in a quick press release, which sounds pretty fecking flimsy to me but would bizarrely seem to appease you. This is an official stance.

What on Earth are you banging on about here man?

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/state_3#:~:text=to formally write or say,clearly stated in the report.
 
Juicy Juiced said:
People need to calm down. We are probably 5 years from any serious talk. And that is even if Jimmy do everything right.
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Perez could get this lot to challenge next season.

He'd start by bringing in Mbappe.

Until United start doing business that way, they will remain in their current state.

Also, for fecks sake, it took City less than 4 years to win their first title. City, who were a bottom half club before the takeover.
 
lex talionis said:
Nice intent, but the wording is pathetic. "It is our stated ambition...". WTF?

The weasly language needs to be cleaned up. Something like this for a start.

“The Club is determined to shall put football and performance on the pitch back at the heart of everything we do”

“It is our stated ambition to We will re-establish Manchester United as a title-winning club”

“Omar will be joining us to help achieve that goal, so that, once again, United fans can see, in the words of Sir Matt Busby, to ensure the red flag will be flying high at the summit of English, European and world football.”
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Have you ever had a conversation with a lawyer?
 
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