I'm not sad that Morata missed all his chances. I just think these blips in form are temporary. The kid will rebound, as will Lukaku. Both quality players.
Álvaro Morata | Performances
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I'm not sad that Morata missed all his chances. I just think these blips in form are temporary. The kid will rebound, as will Lukaku. Both quality players.
Lukaku isn't elite, he's not the comparison or the benchmark.. according to you anyway. 35-40 goals you predicted at the end of season for Morata, up there with world's best by end of season which means at the level of Lewandowski and Kane. Hence, my post.
Costa did score 27 goals in La Liga in 13/14. Or were you only referring to his Chelsea days?
That was worse than any Torres performance I've ever seen. Morata was horrendous. He cost us 3 point today.
Want to see Conte back Morata after that shit show now.
Want to see Conte back Morata after that shit show now.
He's played 1,342 minutes in the league - more than he did across the entirety of last season, and more than e.g. Rooney would typically would in an average half-season. And Morata managed to score 15 league goals in those fewer league minutes at Madrid. Given you said this just a couple of months ago...
...it brings us back to this point:
Did he suddenly get worse, playing about double the amount of games?
If you extrapolate his goals per minute record across all competitions this season - 1 goal every 154 minutes - to playing every minute across a 50 game season, he'd have scored...under 30 goals.
And yet your view a couple of months ago of what was pretty realistic was...
I don't know how you think the numbers add up to your initial predictions being realistic...but hey-ho. Psychology and all that.
Infuriatingly shit finishing tonight. Sign Sandro to play at left back and shove Alonso upfront for a while.
Had this exact thought watching the game. Was always an assumption that you need a 25-goal-a-season striker to win the league. But when I think about it, there are fewer and fewer of these types of strikers at the top clubs these days.
You can't know those things. Jose has absolutely praised him about his effort and commitment. Lukaku never had a shocker in front of the opposition goal as Morata did tonight. He actually was very good vs Arsenal. He fecked it up against City though
And that works both ways. Maybe if we rested him more often, we would have reaped the rewards of a fresher striker.
He's actually played 1432. Lukaku has 1814
Agreed:
League and Europe 2017/18
Kane - Goal every 87.7 minutes
Salah - 94.7
Sterling - 101.6
Aguero - 104.3
Firmino - 134.1
Jesus - 136.5
Rooney - 145.1
Morata - 162.3
Lukaku - 167
Lacazette - 190.9
Not very impressive at all.
They will both improve. Both are quality players who are not nearly playing to their full potential at the moment.
Rooney outperforming Morata, Lukaku and Lacazette. How embarrassing
Kane is completely ridiculous. I'd swap £90 mil and Lukaku for him right now.
Morata has scored 12 goals this season, of which 7 are from headers, this is a glaring deficiency in his game that he is so reliant on crosses to score. If he were my teams striker I would be very worried about his lack of goals from playing on the ground.
Furthermore, one would think that a striker supposedly filled with good technique, would score most of his goals with his feet. When it comes to the type of goals he scores and the quality of his hold-up play; he seems very much like a pure finisher rather than the so called 'all round' striker some have penned him as.
I think he's a good striker, but is lacking things in his play.
Furthermore, one would think that a striker supposedly filled with good technique, would score most of his goals with his feet. When it comes to the type of goals he scores and the quality of his hold-up play; he seems very much like a pure finisher rather than the so called 'all round' striker some have penned him as.
I think he's a good striker, but is lacking things in his play.
Agreed. Both good players. How good they will be is up in the air though. Interested to see what Lukaku's mental strength is like. Wonder if Morata can kick on and be a #1 striker consistently.
Lol
Don't get me wrong im not excusing Morata but you have a really selective memory if you think thats worse than anything Torres off all people produced.
For strikers at new clubs yeah, surprised to see Lacazette that low. No peep from media about him under performing though.
The wonders of penalties. Non of the other three are regular penalty takers like Rooney is.
Harsh but probably true. To think Drogba and Rooney were competing up front for these sides. Standards have dropped across the board when it comes to number 9 IMO.
Torres, RVP, Drogba, Rooney, Tevez were the CFs in 2008..
Lukaku, Lacazette, Morata, Firmino (who I do rate).. lots of works in progress compared to those guys and even at City.. Aguero is past his peak and Jesus is overrated
This is where the mental game kicks in. Both are off form so it will see who has the stronger head game to recover and resume scoring.
He tried so hard to give Chelsea a goal in the first half.The feck is Chambers even doing there? Does he even realize what a defender's job is?
Indeed.
This stat is not fair to someone like Lukaku and to some extend Morata. Their teams ain't overall attacking full stop and create countless chance every games. Sometimes you can feel Lukaku ain't fed enough. Lacazette stats is damning though knowing how Ozil is on form for a while now and Lacazette got a of a decent start earlier
To be fair Drogba was at Guingamp at their age.
Its very telling that when Lukaku underperforms he gets roasted but when Morata does they're both thrown under the bus .
Poor Lukaku! He doesn't get the "well they're all pretty average" breathers in his breakdowns
Poor Lukaku! He doesn't get the "well they're all pretty average" breathers in his breakdowns
Predictability is never a good thing for an attack. I loved our team in 06/07 with Saha up top and Giggs, Rooney and Ronaldo constantly interchanging positions behind them, none of them tied to feeding a one dimensional goalscorer. Much healthier set up to have that fluidity.
The death of traditional wingers(create first) is tied to lower level of out and striker of this era. The reverse true as well, game developed away from that pattern for the moment.
Yep, good points. The overall performance of the team can't be ignored in both instances.
Rooney at his peak in 09/10, 10/11 and 11/12 played an average of 2,596 league mins. Suárez in 12/13 and 13/14 played an average of 2,960 league mins. Kane in 14/15, 15/16 and 16/17 played an average of 2,829 mins.
Across all of them - the undeniable elite strikers of that period in the PL - the average minutes played was 2,795. Morata is on track to play 2,560 mins.
In other words describing that as fairly limited playing time doesn't make any sense.
Tonight's misses were inexcusable. They weren't even tough chances. They were chances I genuinely think I would score.
Don't know what Conte was playing at taking Hazard off and leaving him on.
Don't know what Conte was playing at taking Hazard off and leaving him on.
He's obviously not a full time striker since his contemporaries have hundreds more minutes of playing time.
Oh man, between this and the Morata fails, I need to watch a tape delayed version of this game.
Let me ask you one time question... Did Torres ever miss 3 1 vs 1 in a single game?
I think you might be missing something here. If multiple top managers have limited his game time, the fact that he doesnt get more game time is usually a mark against him.
Do you think all Conte needs to do is play him more and he'd have scored 15-20 goals by now? Why would a top manager not do that if it was so simple?
Still a better number 9 than Morata
If anything that stat tells us Lukaku is overplayed rather than having any game time advantage
At some point he gave them the ball like three times in a row and was like: "you guys do not want to score?"Oh man, between this and the Morata fails, I need to watch a tape delayed version of this game.
That's an interesting way of looking at it. I suppose there are traditional forwards out there such as Harry Kane and Robert Leeandoski but they are few and far between.
Slightly unrelated, but how do you think a striker like Kane would do for a club like city and how much do you think he would improve them? May sound like a daft question given Kane's record.
Last post for today anyway.
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People really are forgetting just how bad Torres was at Chelsea. He was League 1 level, at best.
If you take penalties out of the equation, then Rooney does indeed drop two places to below Morata and Lukaku. Lacazette remains in last place though!
I don't think that's necessarily the case. Last year, Mourinho restricted Mkhitaryan's appearances at the beginning of the year and when he finally started playing, he performed well to the point where many didn't want Mata to play if it hindered Mkhi's minutes. Lingard has also seen limited time over the past year until only recently and he is obviously playing well now. Managers sometimes 'throttle' the amount of appearances players make to (re)build their confidence to where their approach in training can be executed on the pitch.