£40m for Ozil | Deal to Arsenal confirmed

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NinjaFletch said:
Arsenal fans were much less annoying when it was all doom and gloom.

I agree with Glaston, in a way, Ozil plays in the posistion Arsenal needed to strengthen least. Whether the improvement he brings is enough to single handidly paper over all the cracks that the failure to strenghten at the back, at defensive midfield and upfront have left is far too early to be seen.
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The thing is, this is just a cliche and shows you surely can't watch Arsenal play football.

Last season, our record against the top three was awful. We scored five goals in six games. United scored ten, so we're looking to bridge that gap in the big games. The reason we didn't win them was because of limited creativity caused by the loss of Cesc and Nasri.

Ozil is huge for us because this will make us an attacking force against the best in the world, simultaneously taking pressure off our defence. You're not going to press too high against us anymore because if you lose the ball, you're in trouble.
 
People saying that Arsenal have signed the wrong player in Ozil are just jealous IMO. I know I would have loved him at OT and I know for a fact that a player of Ozil's ability will make a difference at Arsenal.

When we signed RvP, people were moaning that we din't need him and that we had strengthened in the wrong area! But look at what impact he had on the pitch and in the dressing room! This signing for Arsenal is a massive step in the right direction in challenging IMO.
 
Hellboy said:
Deluded fecker. He's one of the best players in world football.
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Does change anything. He was still a last minute deal, costing a shit-load of money, signed against the back-drop already described.
 
alastair said:
The thing is, this is just a cliche and shows you surely can't watch Arsenal play football.

Last season, our record against the top three was awful. We scored five goals in six games. United scored ten, so we're looking to bridge that gap in the big games. The reason we didn't win them was because of limited creativity caused by the loss of Cesc and Nasri.

Ozil is huge for us because this will make us an attacking force against the best in the world, simultaneously taking pressure off our defence. You're not going to press too high against us anymore because if you lose the ball, you're in trouble.
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You're still reliant on Giroud to be good enough against 'the best in the world', and I'm just not sure he is, whether its Ozil, Cazorla or Wilshere feeding him.

Besides, criticism of Ozil's involvement in big games is pretty frequent when his supply lines get squeezed, and its a ridiculous notion to suggest that your shaky defence is going to be much more than superficially boosted by Ozil. It would be like signing a striker and saying your defence is now better because you can outscore an opponent.

I appreciate we're both talking about subjective matters, but I still think you have huge deficiencies as a team which would require Ozil to be at least as good, if not better, than everything he's shown at Real Madrid to single handidly pull you forward, whether or not that will happen is hard to say.
 
Hellboy said:
Still, he's better than all the players you signed. Your signings won't have Ozil's impacts so you'll probably finish 5th again because you made too many signings that need time to adapt (some of them don't look good enough already).
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I beg to differ. Ozil's scope for impact is limited in terms of how much he improves Arsenal, because they were already pretty well-stocked in the attacking midfield area.

Whereas Spurs really needed (for example) another striker (hence Soldado) a wing-forward to replace Bale (hence Lamela) and a creative attacking midfielder (hence Eriksen). I'll warrant that the collective improving impact of Spurs' signings will be far greater than that of Ozil.
 
Summit said:
People saying that Arsenal have signed the wrong player in Ozil are just jealous IMO. I know I would have loved him at OT and I know for a fact that a player of Ozil's ability will make a difference at Arsenal.

When we signed RvP, people were moaning that we din't need him and that we had strengthened in the wrong area! But look at what impact he had on the pitch and in the dressing room! This signing for Arsenal is a massive step in the right direction in challenging IMO.
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While that's true, its no secret that as a team we also had the right mentallity and a top squad. I mean, there's a reason why RVP ditched Arsenal to join us and it wasn't just because SAF was in charge. We clearly had a much better squad than Arsenal then and still do now.
 
NinjaFletch said:
I agree with Glaston, in a way, Ozil plays in the posistion Arsenal needed to strengthen least. Whether the improvement he brings is enough to single handidly paper over all the cracks that the failure to strenghten at the back, at defensive midfield and upfront have left is far too early to be seen.
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I've been over this a few times now but I don't get this idea that we didn't need more creativity. Apart from Cazorla we simply did not have a single player who can be relied upon to unlock a defence, when he was off form or heavily marked we suffered big time. Around Christmas time last year he was looking very tired and off form, just didn't have anyone else to replace him. Theo & Podolski are more wide forwards who can assist on a cross and finish. Rosicky to be fair tries hard and has good movement and sharp quick passing but he won't play any defence splitting passes, contrary to what people think Wilshere, Ramsay & Arteta are not what I would called creative players.
  • Defensive midfielder we have Arteta & Flamini who did a good job against Spurs for us and he can provide cover at fullback as well, has done it well for us in the past. We went in for Bender and I got a feeling we will be back in for him next summer when his buy out clause might be active. I think his club basically told us noway he would be sold so we didn't pursue that
  • At the back we have Kocienly, Mertesacker, Vermaelen & Sagna who can provide cover as CB, for fullbacks we have Gibbs & Monreal and Sagna & Jenkinson, with Flamini able to cover for LB & RB positions. I can't think of many players available who would of significantly improved us at the back. Probably needed another RB
  • We missed out on getting a striker especially with Podolski out, not from a lack of trying though. Messed up the Suarez thing by not going in again at the required amount once it was established the clause wasn't valid. Think Rooney only wanted Chelsea so I am not sure if that was ever on and Benzema wanted to stay at R.Madrid. We missed out on Higuain chasing Suarez but I don't have a problem with that. Just bad luck and you can't criticise the club for trying to get a better player. One thing this summer is we have gone for top quality players as well as squad players which makes a welcome change
Our defensive problems are due to the spaces between the defensive and midfield line rather than personnel, that needs tactical work in order to improve that.
 
peterstorey said:
Tough couple of days for him, they paraded nearly £100M worth of underwhelm on Sunday (especially Barry-inho and Pile-o-poo) and got beat. Then Wenger blows their signings away by getting Ozil.
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Capoue went off injured, Lamela only played for the last few minutes and two of our other signings (e.g. Ericksen) didn't play at all.

You scraped a win, at home, using an already-integrated and settled set of players. And now you trumpet this great triumph loudly, though we could hear the pins dropping when Villa beat you.

Have fun fighting it out with Man. United for 4th place this season. Spurs will finish above you both.
 
GlastonSpur said:
You scraped a win, at home, using an already-integrated and settled set of players. And now you trumpet this great triumph loudly, though we could hear the pins dropping when Villa beat you.

Have fun fighting it out with Man. United for 4th place this season. Spurs will finish above you both.
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:lol:
 
GlastonSpur said:
Capoue went off injured, Lamela only played for the last few minutes and two of our other signings (e.g. Ericksen) didn't play at all.

You scraped a win, at home, using an already-integrated and settled set of players. And now you trumpet this great triumph loudly, though we could hear the pins dropping when Villa beat you.

Have fun fighting it out with Man. United for 4th place this season. Spurs will finish above you both.
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Wow. :lol:
 
JazzG said:
Essay
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I really don't care what players you tried to get and didn't. I never said anything to do with that, I just stated the simple fact that you hadn't strengthened that area. Whether its through lack of planning, bad luck or any other combination of factors doesn't matter.

I just think that its worth saying that expecting Ozil to single handidly drag you to a good season is vastly unfair, is a ridiculous level of expectation and will probably end in tears. He could be an excellent signing, have an excellent season and be your best player by miles, but then what? If you don't get top four (is that the criteria for a good season, is it a trophy, the title?) do the boo boys come out for him because you've placed him on such a ridiculous pedestal with such an unfair level of expectance?

Also, Glaston :lol:
 
NinjaFletch said:
I really don't care what players you tried to get and didn't. I never said anything to do with that, I just stated the simple fact that you hadn't strengthened that area. Whether its through lack of planning, bad luck or any other combination of factors doesn't matter.

I just think that its worth saying that expecting Ozil to single handidly drag you to a good season is vastly unfair, is a ridiculous level of expectation and will probably end in tears. He could be an excellent signing, have an excellent season and be your best player by miles, but then what? If you don't get top four (is that the criteria for a good season, is it a trophy, the title?) do the boo boys come out for him because you've placed him on such a ridiculous pedestal with such an unfair level of expectance?
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We already have a well settled team who towards the end of the season showed very good form so adding Ozil to that will only improve us. Like someone said your lot didn't think you needed RvP but adding him improved your attack even more. Nobody is saying he will win us the title but will offer a massive boost, still need more to win the title though
 
GlastonSpur said:
Capoue went off injured, Lamela only played for the last few minutes and two of our other signings (e.g. Ericksen) didn't play at all.

You scraped a win, at home, using an already-integrated and settled set of players. And now you trumpet this great triumph loudly, though we could hear the pins dropping when Villa beat you.

Have fun fighting it out with Man. United for 4th place this season. Spurs will finish above you both.
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Up there with your "we this and us that" post.
 
JazzG said:
We already have a well settled team who towards the end of the season showed very good form so adding Ozil to that will only improve us. Like someone said your lot didn't think you needed RvP but adding him improved your attack even more. Nobody is saying he will win us the title but will offer a massive boost, still need more to win the title though
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No doubt, I've just seen a lot of Arsenal fans make the comments 2 or 3 weeks ago, the defeat at Villa for example, that you need anywhere from 3 to 5 players to have a good season most universally pinpointed as a defender, centre-mid, striker and then with a goalkeeper and another midfielder as an almost afterthought. These calls were interspersed with calls for Wengers head.

Since then you got, what, a back up goalkeeper and Ozil and now you're all buzzing off your tits after adding 2 of the 5 players most of you identified as needing, but needing the least. As good as Ozil is, I do find it bizzare how much its caused a change in attitude and optimism for this season going foward.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Capoue went off injured, Lamela only played for the last few minutes and two of our other signings (e.g. Ericksen) didn't play at all.

You scraped a win, at home, using an already-integrated and settled set of players. And now you trumpet this great triumph loudly, though we could hear the pins dropping when Villa beat you.

Have fun fighting it out with Man. United for 4th place this season. Spurs will finish above you both.
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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
NinjaFletch said:
No doubt, I've just seen a lot of Arsenal fans make the comments 2 or 3 weeks ago, the defeat at Villa for example, that you need anywhere from 3 to 5 players to have a good season most universally pinpointed as a defender, centre-mid, striker and then with a goalkeeper and another midfielder as an almost afterthought. These calls were interspersed with calls for Wenger's head.
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This isn't muppetarama like arse mania.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Capoue went off injured, Lamela only played for the last few minutes and two of our other signings (e.g. Ericksen) didn't play at all.

You scraped a win, at home, using an already-integrated and settled set of players. And now you trumpet this great triumph loudly, though we could hear the pins dropping when Villa beat you.

Have fun fighting it out with Man. United for 4th place this season. Spurs will finish above you both.
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:lol:
 
NinjaFletch said:
No doubt, I've just seen a lot of Arsenal fans make the comments 2 or 3 weeks ago, the defeat at Villa for example, that you need anywhere from 3 to 5 players to have a good season most universally pinpointed as a defender, centre-mid, striker and then with a goalkeeper and another midfielder as an almost afterthought. These calls were interspersed with calls for Wengers head.

Since then you got, what, a back up goalkeeper and Ozil and now you're all buzzing off your tits after adding 2 of the 5 players most of you identified as needing, but needing the least. As good as Ozil is, I do find it bizzare how much its caused a change in attitude and optimism for this season going foward.
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Fans tend to overreact after defeats, especially as we hadn't spent any money yet after that loss. Our squad isn't as bad as people will have you believe. As far as this transfer window goes I'd say it is probably a 6/10

We have added one of the best players in the world to our squad, do you expect the Arsenal fans not to be buzzing? Change in attitude probably comes from the fact that for once we have held onto all the players we wanted to and added a top class player, some fans want us to become title contenders after one summer but things don't work like that.
 
JazzG said:
Fans tend to overreact after defeats, especially as we hadn't spent any money yet after that loss. Our squad isn't as bad as people will have you believe. As far as this transfer window goes I'd say it is probably a 6/10

We have added one of the best players in the world to our squad, do you expect the Arsenal fans not to be buzzing? Change in attitude probably comes from the fact that for once we have held onto all the players we wanted to and added a top class player, some fans want us to become title contenders after one summer but things don't work like that.
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I expressed that poorly.

Obviously you'd be buzzing that you signed him, but the way thats transfered into excitement for what he'll help you achieve creates dangerous levels of expectation, imo.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Capoue went off injured, Lamela only played for the last few minutes and two of our other signings (e.g. Ericksen) didn't play at all.

You scraped a win, at home, using an already-integrated and settled set of players. And now you trumpet this great triumph loudly, though we could hear the pins dropping when Villa beat you.

Have fun fighting it out with Man. United for 4th place this season. Spurs will finish above you both.
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Please spell your own players names right... I'll help start you off....Eriksen
 
Glaston, I know you don't mind betting on here, so I'd happily make a bet saying United finish above Spurs this season. What do you say?
 
Top said:
Glaston, I know you don't mind betting on here, so I'd happily make a bet saying United finish above Spurs this season. What do you say?
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Leave the poor guy alone, he's suffered enough.
 
This is the real Glaston, it's like he had that deluded opinion of his club but kept it for himself for so long that it had to come out at some point.
He gives every Spurs fans a bad name, what a clown.
 
Does Glaston still think Levy is the greatest football chairman in the history of the world now that he's sold their best player and enabled Wenger to make his best signing in a decade? A signing which will keep Arsenal in the top four and ease the pressure that was building on the board and Arsene himself.
 
NinjaFletch said:
I expressed that poorly.

Obviously you'd be buzzing that you signed him, but the way thats transfered into excitement for what he'll help you achieve creates dangerous levels of expectation, imo.
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I think for the more realistic fans it creates an expectation that we are back on the way up. The purchase of Ozil will hopefully make us more attractive to other players who might want to join.

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Glaston, I know you don't mind betting on here, so I'd happily make a bet saying United finish above Spurs this season. What do you say?
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Easy money there for you mate ;)

mickeza said:
Does Glaston still think Levy is the greatest football chairman in the history of the world now that he's sold their best player and enabled Wenger to make his best signing in a decade? A signing which will keep Arsenal in the top four and ease the pressure that was building on the board and Arsene himself.
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According to Glaston Wenger was forced into it and we don't even need him....
 
kouroux said:
This is the real Glaston, it's like he had that deluded opinion of his club but kept it for himself for so long that it had to come out at some point.
He gives every Spurs fans a bad name, what a clown.
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:lol:
 
Glaston :lol:

And no, no-one but the most severely deluded Arsenal supporter would say that we are now title contenders. Is signing Ozil a massive step in the right direction? Yes. Will it not be the imperative of the club to add 'top, top quality' in January lest we require it and it's available? Indeed it will.
 
Glaston is still sore that Arsenal beat his team. Oh, and without Ozil.
 
Does the signing of Ozil mean that Wenger have the funds and will start purchasing for the players he feels his team would need or is it a one time thingy and from then on it'll be classic transfers with cheap players ? It sure will be interesting what happens in the winter transfer window.
 
kouroux said:
Does the signing of Ozil mean that Wenger have the funds and will start purchasing for the players he feels his team would need or is it a one time thingy and from then on it'll be classic transfers with cheap players ? It sure will be interesting what happens in the winter transfer window.
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I don't see why they wouldn't have £40m budgets available per year but it's highly unlikely they'll make marquee signings like this over and over. Definitely a statement of intent from the club.
 
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