But Rodwell has proven himself in the Premier League and showed us what he is capable of and hence he is definitely worthy of pulling on a United shirt. Rodwell is a year younger and has done more and Rodwell is more versatile.
Hendersons played a lot more for Sunderland in the PL than Rodwell for Everton im sure, hes certainly started a lot more games and is central to Sunderland's form this season.
Rodwells hardly proven himself at any level in fairness, neither of them have really they're kids making their way in the sport.
They pretty close going off their Wiki stats. Rodwell has played more games going off what is there. Neither have 50 appearances for their club sides yet but Wiki tends to only include PL games. They have Rodwell at 47 and Henderson at 43.
Henderson's only in his second season as a regular for Sunderland and they have both been used in different positions. Henderson's now being played centrally after starting on the right which is where he appeared to play for England in the under 21 games I have watched. Sunderland fans have him down as a Gerrard type player.
Rodwell looks a better player IMO and much more the type of player we need at the moment than Henderson. I reckon Rodwell would start games for United now if we had him on the books and would develop pretty quickly. Henderson's better off having a couple of years with Sunderland to continue his development. He's also a bit of the flavour of the month because of his good recent form and being cited as a future England international by Capello. He may well be capped in the next international friendly.
What is it with you and Javier Pastore? I know he is very talented and all but I think you kinda overrate him here. I mean a year ago, no one had any idea about this lad and as soon he gets selected to represent Argentina at the WC, everyone goes off.
They pretty close going off their Wiki stats. Rodwell has played more games going off what is there. Neither have 50 appearances for their club sides yet but Wiki tends to only include PL games. They have Rodwell at 47 and Henderson at 43.
Henderson's only in his second season as a regular for Sunderland and they have both been used in different positions. Henderson's now being played centrally after starting on the right which is where he appeared to play for England in the under 21 games I have watched. Sunderland fans have him down as a Gerrard type player.
Rodwell looks a better player IMO and much more the type of player we need at the moment than Henderson. I reckon Rodwell would start games for United now if we had him on the books and would develop pretty quickly. Henderson's better off having a couple of years with Sunderland to continue his development. He's also a bit of the flavour of the month because of his good recent form and being cited as a future England international by Capello. He may well be capped in the next international friendly.
Thanks for the stats, interesting reading, i must say im surprised by them but i suppose because Hendersons been playing week in week out for a while now whilst Rodwell hasn't it gives the illusion ones played more, i don't think Rodwells really ever been a regular at Everton so far though where as Henderson seems a key figure at Sunderland.
Not saying i rate Henderson the superior player, to me they are about equal, neither would walk into and drastically improve our current midfield in my view, in fact ids debatable if either would get in the first team as it is, great talents but thats about it at the moment.
Well Rodwell has been around for longer and plays off the bench often, Henderson is more recent and starts.
He can't get into Everton's team FFS!
Who would you prefer of the two? if given the choice?
Well he can't at the moment, no, as he's out injured for three months with ligament damage.
If he was fit, he would be getting plenty of games for them this year.
The question is, if not Pastore then who? Pastore seems really talented, creative, great passing, hardworking... he can become great and develop into a top class midfielder, he has also been on fire this season, he has been really great in Italy.
Best options like Iniesta and Sneijder could be great, but neither of them will happen... And 27 years old, coming from Italy or Spain is hard, because England is faster, there are less room... Personally I would not want someone like that. I want players whom still are developing, because that is the best way to adapt is to evolve. Ferguson dont seem to like signing these players neither, he seems to look for players that can develop into top players, or the best players from smaller clubs. Preferably from the Premier League, but are there anyone talented enough right now?
I haven't really paid much attention to either, from what I have seen I would say Henderson, he basically takes on the majority of the creativity for Sunderland and Bruce won't overcharge us.
In front of Fellaini, Arteta, Neville, Pienaar and Cahill? I highly doubt it.
What is it with you and Javier Pastore? I know he is very talented and all but I think you kinda overrate him here. I mean a year ago, no one had any idea about this lad and as soon he gets selected to represent Argentina at the WC, everyone goes off.
Rooney's massive wage hike has damaged the very thing that he claimed to be complaining about in the first place - namely your club's seeming inability to compete financially for the best players to join.
Let’s say his wages have been increased by £100k per week (from, say, £90k per week to £190k per week) – some reports say even more than this, but we’ll stick with 100k for the sake of simple arithmetic. Over the 5 years of his new contract that makes an extra £26 million that the club will be shelling out to keep Rooney in the even more extravagant lifestyle that he’s not yet accustomed to.
But this 26m is just the tip of the iceberg, because we’ve yet to add in all the knock-on wage demands that will now be triggered right across United’s squad. Rooney doubles his wages – so is any player in that squad going to be happy with anything less than at least a 50% increase? I’ll leave you to do maths as to how much extra money, over 5 years, is now likely to drain out of the club on player wages.
100m to spend in net terms on new players this January and onwards? Not a chance in hell - Man. United is up to its eyeballs in debt and things just got a whole lot worse in terms of likely wage outgoings in the near future.
Rooney's massive wage hike has damaged the very thing that he claimed to be complaining about in the first place - namely your club's seeming inability to compete financially for the best players to join.
Let’s say his wages have been increased by £100k per week (from, say, £90k per week to £190k per week) – some reports say even more than this, but we’ll stick with 100k for the sake of simple arithmetic. Over the 5 years of his new contract that makes an extra £26 million that the club will be shelling out to keep Rooney in the even more extravagant lifestyle that he’s not yet accustomed to.
But this 26m is just the tip of the iceberg, because we’ve yet to add in all the knock-on wage demands that will now be triggered right across United’s squad. Rooney doubles his wages – so is any player in that squad going to be happy with anything less than at least a 50% increase? I’ll leave you to do maths as to how much extra money, over 5 years, is now likely to drain out of the club on player wages.
100m to spend in net terms on new players this January and onwards? Not a chance in hell - Man. United is up to its eyeballs in debt and things just got a whole lot worse in terms of likely wage outgoings in the near future.
I refuse to believe that such a clause exists in his contract, the squad doesn't need 100mil of acquisitions to get us back to where we were in the 07/08 season for one thing. We just need a goalkeeper and a central midfielder, Lloris and De Rossi would be my preference and I think we could get them both for less than 50mil.
We need a left winger. Giggs is getting older, Bebe and Obertan are light years away from first team and Nani is best utilized on the right flank. On the other hand I agree that we don't need to spend 100m. Defour/Rodwell, Bale/Sanchez/Afellay and a decent keeper would be enough.
In terms of wages when Neville, VDS, Giggs and Scholes retire that will free up a significant amount of our wage budget.
Doubt their on too high wages anyway? Their replacements will probably earn more.
What makes you think a young player will definitely adapt to the English game? Kleberson and Djemba Djemba were pretty young when they came to United and they turned out to be the two worst signings in this decade. So its not a guarantee that a younger player will work better.
VDV seems to have adjusted fine. He along with Bale are Spurs' best players this season. So why do you think Sneijder is going to have a problem? Just because Veron did not work, does not mean everyone else who is 26-27 when they arrive will not be good for us.
Rodwell
Sneijder
Bale
De Gea
Then I'll be pretty happy.
Rather see Cleverley given a pop before we even think about bringing in other midfielders
Neville and VDS will be on or around 100k a week each I'd assume
When Valencia returns Nani will go back to the left flank (where he has quite a decent understanding with Patrice). Those two will be our first choice wingers for a good few years yet and by the time they are in their late twenties we should have a few of our current prospects reaching maturity.
Valencia will be out till February and while he is good, he isn't thaaat good not to have some decent competition to give him a run for his money. Nani is much more effective on the right then on the left.
This. The only positive if you can call it so, has been that Nani's getting to play solely on the right where he's brilliant. He's not as useful on the left even though he does a good job there.
