He will definitely have seen enough of us this season to know we are unable to offer success right now. Having said that I'm sure he would acknowledge that's down to the lack of a proper structure.
Thoughts on Tuchel as a potential United manager?
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Just look at the posts straight after Real second goal
Last night? Try the last five minutes of the game
Think some in this thread had already made their mind up about him,therefore when Bayern lost it just strengthened their stance further. Perhaps he can win a few over if he's appointed and can manage to beat City, Arsenal or scousers next season
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Yeah, if you write off everything good he's achieved as "impeccable timing" or a "new manager bounce" then he's achieved very little.
But if you actually look at his achievements then he's more qualified than any other option, including our current manager.
Will we be better with Tuchel than our current manager? The answer is obvious. As much as I don't feel overly inspired, he'd be a logical and reasonable appointment.
Read this kind of post so many times during our bust periods in the last 10 years. Just because Mr Blobby would do a better job that our current manager doesn’t mean we should appoint him. We have to think further ahead.
Yeah feel like logical and reasonable is what we need right now because it's too chaotic,like you say it's not exciting but we just need to get some control back
Agreed It seems Our fan base in their desperation can't look beyond end of their noses , I just hope Ineos have better foresight and vision .
In an ideal world we're not making an appointment like this, I don't want us to. But you have to work with whats out there. Who would you have instead? Take a mad punt on a manager the level of Slot?
OK so who should INEOS appoint at this moment in time who is showing foresight and vision
Yes Look to appoint younger manager who is on the up , who would be more amenable to working with players they are provided and allow new recruitment team to shape the squad in a way they intend to rather than dictating and demanding quick fixes which would most likely happen with Tuchel and the cycle of Chasing Champions League football as be all and end all continues .
I get all of that guff, but who?
Yeah other than picking fights, my worry with Tuchel is that he’s now highly established and I’m not sure he’ll want to go from challenging from big trophies to building from scratch / fixing a mess or be patient enough to do it. Once you reach the top it’s quite a challenge to go down the ladder to climb it back up.
This is where I am at. I like the exciting young managers like Iraola and Amorim etc but these are undoubtedly massive gambles at the moment.
I don't really think that logic is correct. Tuchel is probably more happy to work with what he is given than many of the upcoming managers, as he's been around the block in big leagues. Often the upcoming managers want a higher degree of control, because they are very sure of themselves from success in smaller leagues. Ten Hag demanded a lot of control when he came here and Amorim seems to have been similarly demanding in his negotiations this year. From what I've heard Tuchel is most happy when he can just get on with the coaching and suggest profiles of players without taking on too many responsibilities beyond that. That's part of his appeal right now. When has he opted for short term quick fixes in the past? I'm genuinely curious because I'm not an expert on him, but it's not something that I've really seen evidence of.
Hoeneß , Motta , Ireola , O Neil , Mckenna , Maresca , Amorim should be in consideration .
Can they make the big step up though because there is a world of difference between managing their current clubs and a giant one like us
I think having a coach who will immediately set high standards and expectations is actually important right now. In all walks of life, the best way to do well in five years is to do well next year.
Think he'd get the squad playing cohesively but his style what what Im not too impressed by. Wasn't blown away by Bayern today. Doubt he would turn us into world beaters. He only stays an avg of two season per club or so.
Don’t know why people aren’t mentioning Michel. We definitely need a coach that can punch above his weight class.
and I'm sure they are. You have to wonder for example what went wrong with Amorim to Liverpool and West Ham, why didn't they end up with him?
Look I want to be excited by a managerial appointment and see it as a sign of a true bit of long term thinking as much as everyone else. Tuchel will be ultimately a disappointing uninspiring hire, but I get why we'd make it.
Agreed thats my concern with Tuchel apart from dour and Uninspiring football we will be subjected to week in week out , I just don't see it working out we will be here again in two years trying to figure out what went wrong with another set of short term signings sitting on fat contracts needing to be moved on .
Well put it this way INEOS unlike will be asking him about how he feels about having to rebuild the club because it's a huge job
Yes he should be I was just listing young coaches names .
Now this seems a bit wide of the mark? We're moving away from this line of thinking, it won't be all Tuchel's choices, thats the whole point of the new structure. If we're making short term signings, the whole new board have fecked it.
Well if there are short term signings then something will have gone drastically wrong with Wilcox, Ashworth and co. That would be what went wrong, not the coach.
The question is are we in a position right now to make an inspiring hire who can handle a squad rebuild. If so who is capable of being able to do it because it's a huge job which isn't for everyone.
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Tuchel is the easiest choice and I can also understand if we go for him but for me it's again a an appointment that puts Champions league qualification as priority at first go which could lead to another cycle of short term buys at the cost of long term sustainability , if Ineos can avoid that trap and convince Tuchel with their long term approach who knows it just might work .
I am just hoping if we do Appoint Tuchel he is fully onboard with long term approach even if that means some short term pain then it just might work who knows .
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Pretty certain INEOS will move on immediately to the next candidate if he isn't fully onboard with the long term approach. I am just praying that doesn't leave only Southgate/Potter on the shortlist
Southgate and possibly Potter are nothing more than journalists putting 2 and 2 together , In case of Southgate I am fully certain he wouldn't even be in picture and There is next to no chance he end up being United's Coach so you can stop worrying about him though can't be sure about Potter though .
He's perfect for Man United, just look at the game with Real. Defending with 8-9-10 players behind the ball, try in fast transition to nick a goal, he'll add workhorses in midfield. Perfect evolution for you guys.
Good luck.
Good luck.
Any negative reaction from driving Madrid to the dying minutes of the game, where his goalkeeper dropped a clanger and the ref disallowed a legitimate goal, is crazy
True but the prestige and moolah involved with the manager job at United is huge and not easy to turn down. He might want to take it but still be a bad fit for a long term rebuild / fixing a mess situation. So we have the onus to get it right from our end.
You’re complaining about conceding 4 total against Real Madrid in a 2 leg Champions League Semi-Final to a forum of people who pull for a club that just conceded 4 to Crystal Palace on a Monday afternoon.
It’s easy to set high standards - most managers who have won big trophies will demand that. I’m sure Jose, LVG, ETH etc all did. It’s in the planning and execution (Manager and club) where we tend to fall.
To make the right decision you haft to question and scrutinise. Otherwise let’s just hire the Dortmund coach who has gone one step further than Tuchel becuase everything is a step up from 0-4 against Palace.
There’s questioning and scrutinizing and then there’s just knee jerk reacting… we’ve seen a good bit of the 2nd one today. Beyond that, I’ve got a world’s smallest violin playing “woe is me” for the poor Bayern fans if that’s the worst thing to happen to them in the last decade.
And before you ask - no, Tuchel isn't my #1 pick for the job.
We really need to look at RM ways rather than trying to be City or Arsenal.
Winning is what makes great clubs great. Without winning, United wouldnt be what United is today. SAF makes United great in modern era by winning and we can say that he is trying to win at all cost be it pretty or ugly.
I think we should look at the modal of big clubs like RM and Bayern. They always go for the best coaches available and the club is the one that makes the sqaud decisions at the end (some concession happen but most on the clubs) and not the manager. Is not that what we want all these years. Tuchel right now is the best available and we should go for him to stabilise us and buy us the times to build squad. After that if we find someone better than him then part way and go for the better one. At this stage we cant for the unknown quality because lets be honest managing United is different than smaller clubs and it can break young coaches easily. We really cant have 2-3 years for young coaches to come in with our structure right now. The possibility of any success is too low.
Tuchel has his pros and cons but at least the pros is bigger than the cons and we should have a manager that takes no nonsense from the ref or media alike. United behave too nice for my likeing, when you act too too nice and dont hit back people will takes that as a sign that you are weak and they can keep bully or attack you. We have a Devil as a batch for f... sake.
Winning is what makes great clubs great. Without winning, United wouldnt be what United is today. SAF makes United great in modern era by winning and we can say that he is trying to win at all cost be it pretty or ugly.
I think we should look at the modal of big clubs like RM and Bayern. They always go for the best coaches available and the club is the one that makes the sqaud decisions at the end (some concession happen but most on the clubs) and not the manager. Is not that what we want all these years. Tuchel right now is the best available and we should go for him to stabilise us and buy us the times to build squad. After that if we find someone better than him then part way and go for the better one. At this stage we cant for the unknown quality because lets be honest managing United is different than smaller clubs and it can break young coaches easily. We really cant have 2-3 years for young coaches to come in with our structure right now. The possibility of any success is too low.
Tuchel has his pros and cons but at least the pros is bigger than the cons and we should have a manager that takes no nonsense from the ref or media alike. United behave too nice for my likeing, when you act too too nice and dont hit back people will takes that as a sign that you are weak and they can keep bully or attack you. We have a Devil as a batch for f... sake.
If the talk of "trophies on the resume not a priority" is true and we are really looking towards a long-term sustainable rebuild, then McKenna, Motta, Irola, Amorim etc are all interesting choices to consider before Tommy Tuch.