Thoughts on Tuchel as a potential United manager?

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Then the Bayern directors are really pushing themselves into the corner then with these type of comments. I don't see how they can extend Tuchel even if they were forced to by the fans, after that.

Unless they actually think Rangnick is a better option ? :nervous:
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They really messed up. Hoeneß confirmed in the same talk these quotes about Tuchel were made that Rangnick is their third choice now after Alonso and Nagelsmann.

I think it didn't occur to them that these two could actually turn it down. Especially Alonso... the decision to sack Tuchel was made when they still had a realistic chance to win the league. Disturb the run of the leading team by ensuring their manager will come to you after the next season, so getting a high quality manager for next season and improve your chance to win this season. That's textbook Uli Hoeneß way to dominate the league.

Only Alonso didn't read the script and neither did Nagelsmann who didn't come running back to Bayern either. Now they look really lost about what to do
 

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Have a single one of our “people who were good at Chelsea a little while a go” gambits ever paid off?
 

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the_cliff said:
Especially when the new management wants to run the club in the head coach model and not the Manager model of old. If the people at the top are confident in their ability to find the right players and squad then all of this long term talk of the manager needs to go.
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Absolutely hope that now we finally have a proper structure in place with some of the top people in England, we will no longer be handicapped by a broken transfer policy led by the manager of the time.
 

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Mockney said:
Have a single one of our “people who were good at Chelsea a little while a go” gambits ever paid off?
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It's a shame we didn't get Conte when everyone clamoured for him like this, we could've had the full set.
 

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They really messed up. Hoeneß confirmed in the same talk these quotes about Tuchel were made that Rangnick is their third choice now after Alonso and Nagelsmann.

I think it didn't occur to them that these two could actually turn it down. Especially Alonso... the decision to sack Tuchel was made when they still had a realistic chance to win the league. Disturb the run of the leading team by ensuring their manager will come to you after the next season, so getting a high quality manager for next season and improve your chance to win this season. That's textbook Uli Hoeneß way to dominate the league.

Only Alonso didn't read the script and neither did Nagelsmann who didn't come running back to Bayern either. Now they look really lost about what to do
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Yeah they messed up pretty badly. Hopefully Tuchel comes here and they get stuck with Rangnick. :lol:
 

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I have nothing against him as a manager but I just hate to see a 3 at back formation, don't know why I just hate it.

Does he play 3 at the back with Bayern?
 

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Thanks guys.

I know 3 at the back formation are ok and might even work, I just hate to watch, it's kinda irrational hate :lol:
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It's quite weird that he's known for 3 at the back, even though at Dortmund, PSG and Bayern he preferred a 433 or 4231.

Chelsea is the only team he's managed that he consistently used the 3 at the back.
 

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I did enjoy how fired up Tuchel got on the sidelines, the exact opposite to this bore we have now.

we need a manager with a little passion it might even get a reaction from the players on the pitch too. Hardly inspiring looking at the sidelines seeing mclaren grinning ear to ear no matter what and EtH sitting looking confused.
 

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Would be really interesting to see what he'd do with Mason Mount here.
 

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I feel like there are some good players out there who would work with him again. For that reason alone he's a massive upgrade.
 

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Never particularly liked what I saw of his teams, but go for him in the summer. At least he isn't so dogmatic as to play chaosball like ETH.
 

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he has quite an insufferable personality and seems always on the verge of exploding, but there's no doubt he's a very good coach and I've always rated him. surely a better choice than Potter/Southgate
 

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DavelinaJolie said:
Never particularly liked what I saw of his teams, but go for him in the summer. At least he isn't so dogmatic as to play chaosball like ETH.
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Just cannot understand this viewpoint. Don't like his teams, but he's better than the guy having one of, if not the worst season in our recent memory so we should get him.
 

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I have been saying this for years, since Klopp joined Liverpool. He is the only one who might have the tactical know-how to compete with Klopp and Guardiola. Maybe it won’t last forever but I personally don’t really appreciate any of the alternatives so I am all for giving it a try.
 

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the_cliff said:
It's quite weird that he's known for 3 at the back, even though at Dortmund, PSG and Bayern he preferred a 433 or 4231.

Chelsea is the only team he's managed that he consistently used the 3 at the back.
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He played 3 at the back for at least a spell at PSG. I remember he played it when he came up against us in the Champions League in 2019.
 

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No thanks. His teams play boring football and he's been a disaster-class for Bayern. Would literally prefer McKenna or Carrick. Tuchel is going to be just another expensive mistake imo.
 

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Couldn't see him being here long-term but he'd be a great hire for a couple of years.
 

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No thanks. His teams play boring football and he's been a disaster-class for Bayern. Would literally prefer McKenna or Carrick. Tuchel is going to be just another expensive mistake imo.
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he has not been a disasterclass for feck sake, it’s a freak season from Leverkuson, 9/10 he wins the league this year with the points he’ll end up on.

hes currently in a CL semi final
 

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If we've not sorted the structure and hierarchy out above him, he'll fail, in the same way all post-SAF managers have.
 

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If we've not sorted the structure and hierarchy out above him, he'll fail, in the same way all post-SAF managers have.
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Well at least the Glazers won't be deciding football matters any more. I don't expect INEOS to implement their plans by August so it will be a long slow process so whoever comes in will have to fall in line with that. I don't know enough about Tuchel to make a guess at whether he would be happy with that situation.
 

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Just cannot understand this viewpoint. Don't like his teams, but he's better than the guy having one of, if not the worst season in our recent memory so we should get him.
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There's not many alternatives out there right now unless there's an obvious choice I'm missing. At the very least I believe Tuchel can stabilise things, get the team playing structured football and work with what he has whilst the squad is built back up. It doesn't mean he needs to be the forever guy (if such a guy exists any more), but getting the team on a more even footing is a positive step and can be a solid foundation. Elite coaches are few and far between, I don't see one that is available that we could realistically hire, Tuchel to me is a pragmatic choice that I'm not necessarily in love with, but think can progress the team.

If there is a better option, I'm open to it as well. But I think a change needs to be made this summer and right now I think the Dario Argento-alike could be a sensible option.
 

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Assuming we get all the Ineos people in place this summer, then he'll be the first United manager post Fergie that actually stands a fighting chance of making it work right from the off.

I always liked him when he was at Chelsea, and I'd be happy to take the chance given the other options open to us.
 

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he has not been a disasterclass for feck sake, it’s a freak season from Leverkuson, 9/10 he wins the league this year with the points he’ll end up on.

hes currently in a CL semi final
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There's the still the CL to be decided, you're right. But if you end up empty handed with Bayern in Germany, it's a disaster season.

Also, on the bolded, context is needed. They're on 69 points with 3 games remaining and on course for 75-76 points. They're not on course to win all remaining 3 fixtures, they play a 3rd placed and in-form Stuttgart away from home next week. That would be the second worst points total for Bayern in 10 years. Guess when the worst one was, last year when Tuchel was manager from March and Dortmund committed suicided and lost it in the final game.

When you're the sitting manager of a Bayern team with the 2 worst points totals in a decade and end up empty handed, that's disaster-class.
 
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Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
He played 3 at the back for at least a spell at PSG. I remember he played it when he came up against us in the Champions League in 2019.
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Yes, he even played 3 at the back with Dortmund at times. Which is why I said consistently. He would sometimes change to a 3 at the back at Dortmund and PSG depending on player availability or tactics. He did choose the 4231 over that in most games, unlike for Chelsea where he used the 343 all the time.
 

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Not for me, no way. I think he's a very good manager, clearly, he's done some impressive things.

But I look at us and I see a mess that needs diplomacy and patience to work within an entirely new structure that isn't settled and someone to embed a style that will get a feel good factor around us. It's not a quick fix. I wonder if someone like Tuchel has that capability to sit tight, work with the recruitment team and oversee a substantial rebuild knowing it will be choppy waters at times. Or is he going to explode and piss everybody off at some point because he's not getting his way or we aren't at the sharp end of seasons?

I think we need a manager that fits where we are. We want to be ambitious, improving a certain profile of younger player (according to INEOS themselves), not trying to buy success and not placing power in the hands of a manager.
 

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Tuchel is most definitely a head coach rather than a manager, so that perfectly suits the proposed INEOS way of working where the head coach is assisted by a football savvy CEO, a director of football, a technical director and a head of recruitment.
 

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Not for me, no way. I think he's a very good manager, clearly, he's done some impressive things.

But I look at us and I see a mess that needs diplomacy and patience to work within an entirely new structure that isn't settled and someone to embed a style that will get a feel good factor around us. It's not a quick fix. I wonder if someone like Tuchel has that capability to sit tight, work with the recruitment team and oversee a substantial rebuild knowing it will be choppy waters at times. Or is he going to explode and piss everybody off at some point because he's not getting his way or we aren't at the sharp end of seasons?

I think we need a manager that fits where we are. We want to be ambitious, improving a certain profile of younger player (according to INEOS themselves), not trying to buy success and not placing power in the hands of a manager.
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Tuchel is a head coach not a manager. He won't come in and demand certain players. He will of course recommend certain areas that need reinforcements. The new management have made it clear that we will no longer depend on the manager for recruitment, ironically your post is a pro for Tuchel not a con.
 

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He is obviously a great coach but not much of a long term guy and more pragmatic than I'd like. I prefer my teams to be pressing and controlling the game in every match.
 

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This is probably an awful time to answer this question because right now I’d take Tuchel in a heartbeat just to get away from ETH.
 

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I think Tuchel under INEOS stands a better chance than Tuchel under Glazers (who would probably ask him to fill the Ferguson shaped hole that nobody can fill). The key thing will be that all of the new hierarchy and Tuchel are on the same page.
 

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MadMike said:
There's the still the CL to be decided, you're right. But if you end up empty handed with Bayern in Germany, it's a disaster season.

Also, on the bolded, context is needed. They're on 69 points with 3 games remaining and on course for 75-76 points. They're not on course to win all remaining 3 fixtures, they play a 3rd placed and in-form Stuttgart away from home next week. That would be the second worst points total for Bayern in 10 years. Guess when the worst one was, last year when Tuchel was manager from March and Dortmund committed suicided and lost it in the final game.

When you're the sitting manager of a Bayern team with the 2 worst points totals in a decade and end up empty handed, that's disaster-class.
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it’s not went as planned, but if he finishes up his time there with a CL (big if but they’re more than capable) and a league title then I don’t see how you can call that a disaster class.

he’s by far the best manager available and he’d instantly solve this issue of being wide open all the fecking time, he has a great record in big games and is tactically able to compete with the best of them
 
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