West Ham United 1:3 Manchester United

mitchmouse · Dec 5, 2020

liverpool wil tip up here and win 5-0

OrcaFat · Dec 5, 2020

christinaa said:
Pogba should ALWAYS play further up the pitch - Ole please note.

I would have tried to swap Pogba and VDB around to see if that helped. Couldn’t have been any worse.

bondsname · Dec 5, 2020

One of my most miserable, depressing moments of watching United. West Ham deserve a few goals.

Hope we can improve in the second half. So far it's just not acceptable. Everyone has to do more.

FrankDrebin · Dec 5, 2020

Ikon said:
Looks to me like these players are deliberately trying to get Solskjaer sacked, who would have thought that..!

No, I dont buy that. I think they players are just not mentally up for it. The shirt wears heavy on so many of our players.

Tony247 · Dec 5, 2020

VdB is not performing no. 10 effectively. He can be 8 but relying on him in final third could be a risky tactic.

Statue of Limitations · Dec 5, 2020

Don't think we are losing this game, WHU honestly should be 3 up, they aren't and we won't play as badly second half.

lex talionis · Dec 5, 2020

Need fresh bodies at the start of the second half, not in the 80th minute.

Falcow · Dec 5, 2020

bosnian_red said:
Its strange having VdB as the 10 and Pogba deep. VdB has honestly looked half the player up there compared to when he's deeper, and Pogba is half the player deeper compared to as the 10. Stop forcing Pogba as a double pivot. It doesn't work. It never will. He doesn't know how to play the position.

100% correct on both counts. How the feck Ole doesnt see this is a mystery. Seriously.

mav_9me · Dec 5, 2020

mav_9me said:
Not to be negative but I don't see how we win with that CM. Pogba in CM is a disaster imo. I would never play him there.

Hope I'm wrong.

Sorry for quoting myself but if even I can see this and Ole can't...

Handré1990 · Dec 5, 2020

Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:
Oh yeah I’m thrilled. You lot are prolonging this guy ruining our club.

Get Bruno on at half time this is the worst half of the season

You lot? I’m not in either cult, thank you very much, but you don’t half moan!

Emotions running high just when I read your post, I’d like to apologize for resorting to insults. Fecking childish of me! Mea culpa etc. This is fecking hard to watch.

charlenefan · Dec 5, 2020

sammsky1 said:
What’s wrong with it?

as you have seen, a lot

BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Which bit? Presumably the midfield as the rest (bar goalie) sort of expected?

Yeah combination of Pogba and VDB and no Fred just didn't give me a good feeling and so it has proven to be.

stu_1992 · Dec 5, 2020

Despite the fact we were 2 down at HT last week, I was less angry then than I am now. There were at least some redeeming things to say about that performance and some signs we wouldn't be quite so bad second half, but I can't say the same here. I can only hope we're not that bad again second half.

For ages it looked like one of those games where it would be boring at worst and we'd struggle to break down West Ham with them doing nothing. But to be fair to them, they've transitioned on the counter really well. They got a chance or two and our team collectively decided to shot the bed. News a lot more composure second half if we're to get anything out of this game.

Ranchero · Dec 5, 2020

VP89 said:
Out of all the players I think he's the second worst after McTominay. So static it's an absolute joke. Zero movement, I don't see him really bothering to work channels, he's never on his toes. There was a good moment where he got a decent shot off but that's it.

McTominay has been head and shoulders above Pogba... but that doesn't say much, considering how utterly abject the Frenchman has been.

bosnian_red · Dec 5, 2020

RUCK4444 said:
VDB non existent and Pogba woeful, you can’t win a game with no midfield

VdB tends to be invisible as a 10. 10x better in a deeper position.

Maureen-yo · Dec 5, 2020

Achilles McCool said:
Can I assume that most posters here were also players at one point in their lives?
So I ask: if you were out on the pitch and your teammates played like Pogba, would you not bite his head off at HT? Or confront him on the pitch? If Pogba was my teammate, I would’ve come to blows with him months ago! Disgraceful!
Am I wrong? Would any of you accept that performance from a teammate?

You'd let DVDB just saunter around though? Martial give the ball away 6/7 times? Telles be caught out of position at least 3 times?
But you'd focus on Pogba who hasn't even been the worst player out there.

elmo · Dec 5, 2020

Ranchero said:
City didn't have a pre-season.

Tell that to the people on here who kept blaming our lack of preseason for our shit start

BarstoolProphet · Dec 5, 2020

Stats showing not a single touch inside West Ham's box the first 40 mins. What's obvious is that not one single player makes any runs.

LuisNaniencia · Dec 5, 2020

Isotope said:
Bissaka though. Good tackler, poor defender and footballer. I just don't know what you guys see in him.

Well he's not a poor defender is he.

Nou_Camp99 · Dec 5, 2020

Nothing wrong with the team set up. It's a strong team and everyone is playing in a position they are familiar with.

The players are pathetic. Total lack of effort from some and lack of awareness from others.

I'd sell Pogba for £20m in January. Sooner he goes the better. Disgrace in midfield. So casual. Missing Fred badly.

Achilles McCool · Dec 5, 2020

mitchmouse said:
if we lose this and in midweek, Ole has to go. anything will else will confirm what I already thing: no one on the board is doing their job

Agreed. It’s the end

mitchmouse · Dec 5, 2020

TheMagicFoolBus said:
Blown away that you'd give anyone in your team a 6. Unless it's out of 20?

need to put minus sign in front of all those numbers

sammsky1 · Dec 5, 2020

Freak said:
Martial and Pogba need to be sold.

But Mourinho said so , so surely that can’t be true?

Farfetched · Dec 5, 2020

I can’t understand why our passing is so bad, I mean it’s not like anybody is moving so they have not got guess where to pass it!

One Night Only · Dec 5, 2020

Jesper Weber Mortensen said:
Pogba and Martial have the french arrogance of an Henry and Zidane, but play like Chamakh and Schneiderlin. Starting to despise watching them play for this team.

That's how I feel when I watch them, their own vision of themselves is much better than the reality.

christinaa · Dec 5, 2020

Okey said:
Yep! With you there.

Yes, because even anyone as stupid as this Christinaa can see that the starting lineup is a shambles.
I always wonder how some people become managers of a team like ours when they don't have some basics.

Berbaclass · Dec 5, 2020

Matic for Pogba please.

ForeverRed1 · Dec 5, 2020

Nori- said:
What are these players doing all week in training?!

This is literally their full time job. How can you be so consistently bad?

on the money they are on also...stealing a living, a very very very good one.

UNITED ACADEMY · Dec 5, 2020

Enfant terrible said:
Who should Pogba and Scott deliver the ball?
Vdb hasn't touched the ball 3 times? Scott and Pogba were ok.
Vdb, Telles, Martial were criminal. Mason is in outer space, totally useless. Cavani might as well be in another stadium. I doubt he will receive a single useful ball if something doesn't change drastically.

VDB was the only one trying to move the ball quickly. Pogba & McT needs to play more risky balls, plays more progressive, this is the difference between those two and Fred & Bruno. Pogba had one chance for counter attack as well and he tried to take on player instead of release the ball end up losing the ball.

SuperiorXI · Dec 5, 2020

I can't get my head around how effort levels can drop so much! Blame Ole all you want but for christ sake those players are playing like they're hungover.

UncleBob · Dec 5, 2020

VP89 said:
Yep.

No, don't be ridiculous
Beek has been awful. He's running around pointing and when he does get the ball he either falls over or passes it back. He's clearly not suited for these type of matches.

mu4c_20le · Dec 5, 2020

Ranchero said:
City didn't have a pre-season.

And thats why they are out of the title race.

TommiHelm · Dec 5, 2020

Don't worry guys. Our world class manager will pull something amazing out of his pocket in the 2nd half, like putting Bruno on to save the day, and get the praise he deserve for his brilliant subs to turn the tides once again.

Heinzesight · Dec 5, 2020

Jibbs said:
Paul Liability and McT should not be allowed 2nd half on the pitch. Bring in Bruno and Fred.

Paul Labile Pogba...ah so that’s the French for liability.

I honestly thought we’d seen the last of him starting for us.

Super Hans · Dec 5, 2020

Marcelinho87 said:
Ole in or Ole out, even God couldn't stop this ship from sinking.

Nick7 · Dec 5, 2020

bosnian_red said:
Its strange having VdB as the 10 and Pogba deep. VdB has honestly looked half the player up there compared to when he's deeper, and Pogba is half the player deeper compared to as the 10. Stop forcing Pogba as a double pivot. It doesn't work. It never will. He doesn't know how to play the position.

Madness isn’t it. It’s almost like he doesn’t know what he’s doing when he chooses the team.

VP89 · Dec 5, 2020

Ranchero said:
McTominay has been head and shoulders above Pogba... but that doesn't say much, considering how utterly abject the Frenchman has been.

Yeah well some here quoted me and seem to disagree. There isn't much between anyone on the shit barometer anyway.

It takes a special amount of incompetence to be this inconsistent, the squad quality is much better than that.

Kajus · Dec 5, 2020

OrcaFat said:
I would have tried to swap Pogba and VDB around to see if that helped. Couldn’t have been any worse.

We are talking about Pogba here. Whenever you think that a player can't possibly be any more shit than that, he will.

Sultan · Dec 5, 2020

Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:
You Ole In lot realise you’re detrimental to the club yet? No plan.

I'm pretty neutral on Ole. However, to be fair it's not posters on this forum who decide the manager of this club.

mancan92 · Dec 5, 2020

Also it's hilarious we've been crap for weeks without pogba how can he be the one to blame?

Jeppers7 · Dec 5, 2020

Berbaclass said:
Look at fecking Pogba and Telles stood looking at each other wanting to blame one another for the goal

Who was to blame ?

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