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Tottenham Hotspur 2:2 Manchester United

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    New manager knows the club according to reports so we could be in for a difficult night.
     
    Against Sevilla: before the match most posters seemed to think Sevilla would be a cakewalk. I made logical arguments as to why Sevilla were favourites to win the game and the tie and I asked people to make logical arguments against my post.
    Against Brighton: Before the match, most posters were very negative, saying that we'd lose by a big margin. I logically surmised that we would be (slight) favourites going into that match.
    That brings us to Spurs: people seem overly confident and here is my logical breakdown:

    1, we could be without Bruno, who makes us tick. If he doesn't play, I think Spurs will be favourites.
    2, Maguire is a huge issue. If he starts, I'd put money on us losing - he absolutely abysmal and should never play in the first team again.
    3, we are struggling to score goals and that remains, regardless of points 1 and 2.
    4, we have a terrible away record and this is an away match. This makes Spurs favourites.
    5, Spurs were humiliated in their last match and I expect them to be "tight" in defence for this match. I don't expect them to play attacking football, so if they do score, I don't expect more than 1 or 2 goals.
    6, If Spurs hire a new manager, I expect to absolutely lose, so I hope they don't fire their manager in the next 72 hours.

    In summary, I think this'll be a close match because we have a terrible away record, but Spurs are currently in trouble.
    I think it'll either be a draw (most likely) or Spurs will win by 1 goal.

    Now, this doesn't mean that we can't win. We can absolutely win, if we "turn up", but our players have a history of playing with low intensity and I fear that that is what we shall see again on Thursday.
    IMO, Spurs are favourites for this one.

    PS. For those who think we'll get destroyed in the FA Cup Final - I disagree. ;)

    EDIT: Spurs boss has been sacked - the probability of us winning is now significantly lower.
     
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    New manager bounce, Anthony Taylor refereeing, Bruno out injured... this has an awful 2-0 home win written all over it, especially considering Sunday's exertions.
     
    sunama said:
    Against Sevilla: before the match most posters seemed to think Sevilla would be a cakewalk. I made logical arguments as to why Sevilla were favourites to win the game and the tie and I asked people to make logical arguments against my post.
    Against Brighton: Before the match, most posters were very negative, saying that we'd lose by a big margin. I logically surmised that we would be (slight) favourites going into that match.
    That brings us to Spurs: people seem overly confident and here is my logical breakdown:

    1, we could be without Bruno, who makes us tick. If he doesn't play, I think Spurs will be favourites.
    2, Maguire is a huge issue. If he starts, I'd put money on us losing - he absolutely abysmal and should never play in the first team again.
    3, we are struggling to score goals and that remains, regardless of points 1 and 2.
    4, we have a terrible away record and this is an away match. This makes Spurs favourites.
    5, Spurs were humiliated in their last match and I expect them to be "tight" in defence for this match. I don't expect them to play attacking football, so if they do score, I don't expect more than 1 or 2 goals.
    6, If Spurs hire a new manager, I expect to absolutely lose, so I hope they don't fire their manager in the next 72 hours.

    In summary, I think this'll be a close match because we have a terrible away record, but Spurs are currently in trouble.
    I think it'll either be a draw (most likely) or Spurs will win by 1 goal.

    Now, this doesn't mean that we can't win. We can absolutely win, if we "turn up", but our players have a history of playing with low intensity and I fear that that is what we shall see again on Thursday.
    IMO, Spurs are favourites for this one.

    PS. For those who think we'll get destroyed in the FA Cup Final - I disagree. ;)

    EDIT: Spurs boss has been sacked - the probability of us winning is now significantly lower.
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    Surely logic would say that Spurs is easier than City though? Since you talk about logical arguments. And Spurs hiring a novice caretaker manager with no managerial acumen, along with their horrendous form, means that logically we should win.
     
    sunama said:
    because we have a terrible away record,
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    tied for the 3rd most wins away in the league, have had 5 (in 15 matches) clean sheets away (same amount as City & Newcastle who are 1st & 2nd in total GA) probably should have had 2 more against Chelsea and Palace. (2 dead ball goals, soft penalty and a free kick in stoppage time), we've had 3 bad results that skew our away form.
     
    If we play defensively, I doubt Spurs can score. ETH needs to be smart in this game. Spurs is like a wounded animal, we need to keep the ball for the first 15 mins and frustrate their fans. Hit them on the counter attack. 1 goal will be enough to win this game and put top 4 out of sight. I hope ETH better not lose this game.
     
    r0663664 said:
    If we play defensively, I doubt Spurs can score. ETH needs to be smart in this game. Spurs is like a wounded animal, we need to keep the ball for the first 15 mins and frustrate their fans. Hit them on the counter attack. 1 goal will be enough to win this game and put top 4 out of sight. I hope ETH better not lose this game.
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    going to be hard to hit them on the counter when they sit in that 541 and jjst look to play on the counter themselves
     
    Is Lloris "injured" or was he just spared further embarrassment. If Spurs start Romero and Forester, United shouldn't come close to losing.

    Every point matters, so I'd be okay with a draw but a full result in favor of United will do wonders for 3rd place and bury Spurs.

    But too many questions remain about United's away form against decent teams, their injuries, fatigue, and Maguire. He's genuinely equal or worse than Romero. Him and Sanchez as CBs are total chuckle brothers.
     
    Need not to lose but a win will all but wrap up top 4. Shame Bruno is out but still think we can beat them with Fredinho coming back for his bi-annual Spuds masterclass.
     
    norm87cro said:
    Having a midget and a man that has just recently had one decent game for us as two CBs really sounds better I reckon. Not that it really matters, we should score 3 at least and its ok
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    We've had a 'midget' in Lisandro all year long. And being 1.85 isn't exactly a midget anyway. :D
     
    You can pretty much guarantee they'll suddenly look like a team heading to the CL final! Should go with the same back four unless Varane is still out (wouldn't surprise me if we don't seem him in the PL again this season)
     
    Getting rid of fecking awful Stellini.… expecting a Spurs bounce
     
    bosskeano said:
    going to be hard to hit them on the counter when they sit in that 541 and jjst look to play on the counter themselves
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    If they decide to play that way that's their problem, not ours.

    They are the ones playing at home, the ones that need a win to maintain some hopes of a top 4 finish, the ones that want to bounce back from a 6-1 humbling, the ones with the new manager that will want to get a good result on his debut. We don't need to win. A draw away at Spurs is a perfectly good result given our relative league positions and given how rubbish we have been away from home against anyone in the top 10 (we only avoided defeat against Fulham).

    I'd be very happy if ETH sits deep and waits them out, looking to hit them with pace on the transition, instead of trying to dominate the game and getting hit on counter. We've seen the latter happen so many times it's becoming a serious blemish on the manager's record. Time to rectify that.
     
    redNATION said:
    But they’ve just appointed Ryan feckin Mason in charge :nervous:
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    Redcafe is a strange place...

    sunama said:
    Against Sevilla: before the match most posters seemed to think Sevilla would be a cakewalk. I made logical arguments as to why Sevilla were favourites to win the game and the tie and I asked people to make logical arguments against my post.

    Against Brighton: Before the match, most posters were very negative, saying that we'd lose by a big margin. I logically surmised that we would be (slight) favourites going into that match.

    That brings us to Spurs: people seem overly confident and here is my logical breakdown:



    1, we could be without Bruno, who makes us tick. If he doesn't play, I think Spurs will be favourites.

    2, Maguire is a huge issue. If he starts, I'd put money on us losing - he absolutely abysmal and should never play in the first team again.

    3, we are struggling to score goals and that remains, regardless of points 1 and 2.

    4, we have a terrible away record and this is an away match. This makes Spurs favourites.

    5, Spurs were humiliated in their last match and I expect them to be "tight" in defence for this match. I don't expect them to play attacking football, so if they do score, I don't expect more than 1 or 2 goals.

    6, If Spurs hire a new manager, I expect to absolutely lose, so I hope they don't fire their manager in the next 72 hours.



    In summary, I think this'll be a close match because we have a terrible away record, but Spurs are currently in trouble.

    I think it'll either be a draw (most likely) or Spurs will win by 1 goal.



    Now, this doesn't mean that we can't win. We can absolutely win, if we "turn up", but our players have a history of playing with low intensity and I fear that that is what we shall see again on Thursday.

    IMO, Spurs are favourites for this one.



    PS. For those who think we'll get destroyed in the FA Cup Final - I disagree.



    EDIT: Spurs boss has been sacked - the probability of us winning is now significantly lower.
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    Now go and list all the times you were wrong
     
    sunama said:
    Against Sevilla: before the match most posters seemed to think Sevilla would be a cakewalk. I made logical arguments as to why Sevilla were favourites to win the game and the tie and I asked people to make logical arguments against my post.
    Against Brighton: Before the match, most posters were very negative, saying that we'd lose by a big margin. I logically surmised that we would be (slight) favourites going into that match.
    That brings us to Spurs: people seem overly confident and here is my logical breakdown:

    1, we could be without Bruno, who makes us tick. If he doesn't play, I think Spurs will be favourites.
    2, Maguire is a huge issue. If he starts, I'd put money on us losing - he absolutely abysmal and should never play in the first team again.
    3, we are struggling to score goals and that remains, regardless of points 1 and 2.
    4, we have a terrible away record and this is an away match. This makes Spurs favourites.
    5, Spurs were humiliated in their last match and I expect them to be "tight" in defence for this match. I don't expect them to play attacking football, so if they do score, I don't expect more than 1 or 2 goals.
    6, If Spurs hire a new manager, I expect to absolutely lose, so I hope they don't fire their manager in the next 72 hours.

    In summary, I think this'll be a close match because we have a terrible away record, but Spurs are currently in trouble.
    I think it'll either be a draw (most likely) or Spurs will win by 1 goal.

    Now, this doesn't mean that we can't win. We can absolutely win, if we "turn up", but our players have a history of playing with low intensity and I fear that that is what we shall see again on Thursday.
    IMO, Spurs are favourites for this one.

    PS. For those who think we'll get destroyed in the FA Cup Final - I disagree. ;)

    EDIT: Spurs boss has been sacked - the probability of us winning is now significantly lower.
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    You never disappoint.
     
    sunama said:
    4, we have a terrible away record and this is an away match. This makes Spurs favourites.
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    If we have a terrible away record than Spurs has a terrible home record, 5 losses (only West Ham , Wolves, Leeds and the 3 teams currently in the drop zone have more). 20 goals conceded (only Arsenal, Fulham, West Ham & Relegation Battlers Bournemouth, Leeds, Leicester and Southampton have conceded more at home)
     
    The Aston Villa game on Sunday will be tougher. Six points and you can start playing the Champions League anthem. Four points and we're okay.
     
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