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    tomaldinho1 said:
    Looking forward to this one. RR seems uninterested in flattering players egos or pandering to anyone from what we've seen so far, I think he'll start the same team but Rashford has to feel his position is now under threat from Greenwood, same for DDG and Henderson, Bailly was good yesterday as well...competition for places feels like it's back for the first time in a while.
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    Can't see why DDG would feel threatened. Henderson was poor in his distribution and de gea had been in great form all season.
     
    nokillingmoths said:
    Can't see why DDG would feel threatened. Henderson was poor in his distribution and de gea had been in great form all season.
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    Given Ragnick praised him specifically, he probably saw the game differently to you. Henderson was good for me, he allows a much higher line, I don't really care if when he sweeps he hoofs it out when there's no easy pass on.
     
    tomaldinho1 said:
    Given Ragnick praised him specifically, he probably saw the game differently to you. Henderson was good for me, he allows a much higher line, I don't really care if when he sweeps he hoofs it out when there's no easy pass on.
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    De Gea has been outstanding this season, can’t he be coached to do the things RR likes? Or is it more of an instinct thing?
     
    I want Shaw ahead of Telles, I know he's been really off lately, but I don't like Telles that much.
     
    De Gea
    Dalot - Lindelof - Maguire - Telles
    McTominay - Fred
    Sancho - Bruno
    Greenwood - Ronaldo
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    Same team from last week please only with Greenwood coming in for Rashford.
     
    Probably same lineup as the last game given everyone was fully rested. Varane will eventually break into that team when he's back, Cavani when he's back will start being rotated in probably, Greenwood will rotate with Rashford and Shaw will eventually push in for Telles. But generally, next game at least won't change.
     
    JJ12 said:
    De Gea has been outstanding this season, can’t he be coached to do the things RR likes? Or is it more of an instinct thing?
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    He’s just a very different keeper. On form you could argue the best natural shot stopper in the world but I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say he’s below average at coming for crosses and generally sweeping. At 31 he’s got a good few years left but I can’t see him suddenly adapting his game overnight,

    Henderson was good for us bar the Pool gane when he had his run last time and the defensive stats (albeit a smaller sample) were in his favour.
     
    red_de_pologne said:
    Really? Didn't fill me with confidence at all
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    Without those clearances, we give huge opportunities to the opposition and we could have conceded. It's best they are done quickly so that the defense can move on. I do think De Gea not clearing the line often enough does create some problems for us defensively.
     
    JJ12 said:
    De Gea has been outstanding this season, can’t he be coached to do the things RR likes? Or is it more of an instinct thing?
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    I think De Gea has been told about those but sometimes, it's like many of our players, they are being coached but they are not doing it when it matters. And once in a while, they do it so we know they can, but not enough to be meaningful.

    A bit like Scott forward passing. Even though his biggest quality is more ball carrying, forward passing always moves the ball faster so it would be good to see him do that, he does it sometimes when he's being reminded, but instinctively, he still looks for the safest pass.
     
    Blood Mage said:
    De Gea
    Dalot - Lindelof - Maguire - Telles
    McTominay - Fred
    Sancho - Bruno
    Greenwood - Ronaldo
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    Same team from last week please only with Greenwood coming in for Rashford.
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    That's probably a good team, with the possibility of Shaw coming back for Telles if he's getting fitter.
     
    tomaldinho1 said:
    Given Ragnick praised him specifically, he probably saw the game differently to you. Henderson was good for me, he allows a much higher line, I don't really care if when he sweeps he hoofs it out when there's no easy pass on.
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    I’ve backed De Gea consistently and feel right to have done so given his form this season but the sweeper role Henderson plays does lend its own benefit to this new setup under Ralf.

    I think Henderson was making a point of showing that side of his game last night.

    You can’t fault how up for it he is (for going head to head with De Gea), I rate Henderson and his appetite to be the no 1. It’s helping De Gea reach his better form. Will be interesting to see who Ralf favours.
     
    tomaldinho1 said:
    Henderson was good for me, he allows a much higher line
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    Henderson may allow a higher line, but de Gea saves more difficult shots. Do you remember many world class, unbelievable saves from Henderson when he played for the team? I don’t - for the most part he just makes regular saves.

    More or less like Romero did - vast majority would agree that he was a good goalkeeper, but same majority would also agree that he wasn’t better than just “good”.
     
    Alemar said:
    Henderson may allow a higher line, but de Gea saves more difficult shots. Do you remember many world class, unbelievable saves from Henderson when he played for the team? I don’t - for the most part he just makes regular saves.

    More or less like Romero did - vast majority would agree that he was a good goalkeeper, but same majority would also agree that he wasn’t better than just “good”.
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    Flip side is would you not rather your keeper was more involved in possession/didn't stay in his area and, consequently, ended up simply facing less shots? DDG has a great highlight reel but one of the biggest weaknesses with how we play and how we're so susceptible to counters is because of him. People lambast Maguire and Lindelöf's pace but with Henderson (or if you're just against Henderson another more proactive keeper) that weakness is much harder to exploit. Think of the knock on effect, the CMs don't then drop deeper to cover, full backs can push on more, the entire team moves naturally slightly further forwards and that's the difference between a passive team who end up relying on counter attacks and a team who can actually impose themselves on an opposition.

    Look at advanced GK stats on FBref and it's actually shocking how little DDG contributes outside of shot stopping:

    Attempted passes in play last season he was bottom of the 20 starting keepers, he falls off the scale when you look at defensive action outside his box per 90 (he was 28th whereas Henderson was 5th). You might say well last season he had a shocker but he's exactly the same this season, 19th in the league for actions outside his box, 18th for passes...you really have to think big picture here because whilst I think he's arguably the best one on one shot stopper in the league, he is so bad when you're thinking of the modern keeper's possession requirements. Also, yes he's been good but he's still conceded 24 goals in 15 games...his ability doesn't offset the wider problem he causes for our defence.
     
    Same team as against Palace. Potentially Shaw or Greenwood to come in against Brentford depending on performances.
     
    tomaldinho1 said:
    Also, yes he's been good but he's still conceded 24 goals in 15 games...his ability doesn't offset the wider problem he causes for our defence.
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    But what is the alternative? Neuer is ready to sign with us?) Henderson is simply not a good enough shot stopper (and neither was Romero).

    If there is an alternative - fine, let’s discuss, but at this moment in time we don’t have many options
     
    Roosney said:
    Pukki party :D
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    *pukes*

    Think we'll have the same lineup considering the quick turnaround. Was hoping to replace Rashford with Greenwood but probably too soon. I would, however, think that AWB could play again and i prefer him to Dalot (although he had a good game at crystal palace)
     
    Alemar said:
    But what is the alternative? Neuer is ready to sign with us?) Henderson is simply not a good enough shot stopper (and neither was Romero).

    If there is an alternative - fine, let’s discuss, but at this moment in time we don’t have many options
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    You're ignoring the entire post - the alternative is you play Henderson and then, if the stats follow last seasons stats, we face less shots, keep the ball better and have a better team performance. Just because you have decided Henderson isn't a good shot stopper (which I don't know if that's even true, he's just not as good as DDG) doesn't equate to him to being a possible starter.
     
    Hendo (prefer him to DdG)

    Telles
    Varane (if fit)
    Lindelof
    Dalot

    McT
    Fred

    Bruno
    Sancho

    Mason
    Ronaldo
     
    I'm probably stating the obvious here but if we don't win this I will be mega shocked & the you know what will really hit the fan, especially considering he didn't play any of his probable starting XI against Young Boys.

    Let's face it, (on paper) we've got a great set of very winnable fixtures coming up in the next month or so which should provide wins galore, this squad is good enough, they now have to prove that they are by doing it on the pitch.
     
    Dazzmondo said:
    Well, I'd be pretty shocked to see any changes to the team that played against Palace considering that YB game. Mason was really good but I think Rangnick will give Rashford another chance before changing, and I doubt Greenwood would have gotten so many mins if he was playing against Norwich. Shaw is the only one that could potentially come in imo but I think Ralf will probably stick with Telles for one more game. I do think Shaw is going to get back in the team once he's fully fit (very good cross for Mason's goal against YB).

    EDIT: After hearing Ralf's comments on Shaw I think this is the lineup against Norwich:

    De Gea
    Dalot Lindelof Maguire Shaw
    McTominay Fred
    Sancho Fernandes
    Ronaldo Rashford

    Bench:     Henderson, Bailly, Telles, VDB, Diallo, Elanga, Greenwood​
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    What did he say about Shaw? Thanks, mate.
     
    If we want a sweeper keeper then I hope we sign someone better than Henderson at some point because outside of his sweeping ability he's bang average. Liverpool would have put more goals past us 7 weeks ago if he'd been in the net rather than De Gea.
     
    RUCK4444 said:
    I’ve backed De Gea consistently and feel right to have done so given his form this season but the sweeper role Henderson plays does lend its own benefit to this new setup under Ralf.

    I think Henderson was making a point of showing that side of his game last night.

    You can’t fault how up for it he is (for going head to head with De Gea), I rate Henderson and his appetite to be the no 1. It’s helping De Gea reach his better form. Will be interesting to see who Ralf favours.
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    Yh agreed, will be interesting to see whatever happens. I do feel there are now a few spots where there could be a swap in/out:

    AWB - Dalot
    Rashford - Greenwood
    DDG - Henderson

    less likely but potentially Telles, VdB coming in and everyone's favourite Bailly
     
    De Gea
    Dalot - Lindelof - Maguire - Telles
    McTominay - Fred
    Bruno - Sancho
    Greenwood - CR7

    Would like to see Greenwood ahead of Rashford but can't see it going by Rangnicks post match comments.
    I get the impression Ralf wants to see better work ethic from Greenwood on the training pitch.
     
    tomaldinho1 said:
    Yh agreed, will be interesting to see whatever happens. I do feel there are now a few spots where there could be a swap in/out:

    AWB - Dalot
    Rashford - Greenwood
    DDG - Henderson

    less likely but potentially Telles, VdB coming in and everyone's favourite Bailly
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    Yeah, will be interesting to see who Ralf favours in his setup.

    Prior to their last performances I wouldn't have thought of Telles and Dalot as potential starting 11 but they have done ok, I thought Dalot was done here, but has looked a different player.
     
    Ronaldo hattrick incoming. If you have FPL, time to triple captain.

    Fully expect us to thump them. Can’t stand smith either, so hopefully we help him get relegated.
     
    The starting eleven skipped the CL match specifically so Ralf could get them to do multiple training sessions without the need for a rest/recovery days after a matchday midweek. Sooo we should get to see a bigger influence from Ralf against Norwich.

    Exciting!
     
    If we don’t win this one against an absolutely atrocious Norwich team - who are insulting this league by their mere presence in it - then I’m going to punish myself by cry wanking over the ugliest person I can find on pornhub. I mean seriously, wtf, we surely have to win this
     
    LawCharltonBest said:
    If we don’t win this one against an absolutely atrocious Norwich team - who are insulting this league by their mere presence in it - then I’m going to punish myself by cry wanking over the ugliest person I can find on pornhub. I mean seriously, wtf, we surely have to win this
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    Just go to the I Want Your Pics thread like the rest of us
     
    Should we request to postpone this match as Norwich played SPURS last week who got so many covid cases in their camp

    Possible spurs players already had the virus when they played against Norwich but they were not aware of that. so is it going to be risky for us
     
    I hope they're won't be Covid concerns at Norwich considering they played
    sp_107 said:
    Should we request to postpone this match as Norwich played SPURS last week who got so many covid cases in their camp

    Possible spurs players already had the virus when they played against Norwich but they were not aware of that. so is it going to be risky for us
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    I was just going to post this. I agree, it's a huge concern. I haven't seen any news about Norwich's response to the Spurs infestation. I'm hoping their squad has been tested
     
    tomaldinho1 said:
    Given Ragnick praised him specifically, he probably saw the game differently to you. Henderson was good for me, he allows a much higher line, I don't really care if when he sweeps he hoofs it out when there's no easy pass on.
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    Henderson comes for crosses, distributes better, is younger and De Gea probably looks like a tasty 40M or so fee to Rangnick he can use on fullbacks or a defensive mid with another 10M for some backup keeper he rates.
     
    I have literally no memory of Norwich beating us 2-1 at home
     
    2 man midfield said:
    I have literally no memory of Norwich beating us 2-1 at home
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    It was under LvG, that horrible December of 2015, we got knocked out of Champions League by Wolfsburg and lost to Bournemouth, Norwich and Stoke in the Premier League. A month where LvG effectively lost his job.
     
    BorisManUtd said:
    It was under LvG, that horrible December of 2015, we got knocked out of Champions League by Wolfsburg and lost to Bournemouth, Norwich and Stoke in the Premier League. A month where LvG effectively lost his job.
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    That was a shit time.
     
    LawCharltonBest said:
    If we don’t win this one against an absolutely atrocious Norwich team - who are insulting this league by their mere presence in it - then I’m going to punish myself by cry wanking over the ugliest person I can find on pornhub. I mean seriously, wtf, we surely have to win this
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    I can help you out by sending a video of me doing the double handed pump if you like?:wenger:
     
    BorisManUtd said:
    It was under LvG, that horrible December of 2015, we got knocked out of Champions League by Wolfsburg and lost to Bournemouth, Norwich and Stoke in the Premier League. A month where LvG effectively lost his job.
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    It’s weird but I remember all the other games, just not Norwich. Wolfsburg and Bournemouth I remember pissing me right off though, we were just waiting for the sack that never came by that point. We later went out of the Europa League to Liverpool and he still didn’t get the boot. I remember thinking we were stuck with him.
     
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